Man Goes Anti-Peat And Demonstrates Results From 20's To Mid 40

[sladerunner69]

With all due respect to the guy on reddit he looks in shape however hes only 45...... Ray says that problems start in the 40s..... it will be the next 10 15 years that will tell the tale. Eating beans omega 3 and being anti peat over the next decade would be foolhearty and a big mistake. I am 57. I still have a 30 waist. Im 160lbs and Im 5'10. Take it from me.

Dear lord is that you in your profile pic? You look absolutely incredible for that age!

 

[sladerunner69]

When you write, you sometimes sound like you are ranting in anger. I've often attributed this to the fact that you aren't writing in your first language. Well that, and I can't "hear" your paralanguage at all.

But when you write something like above, it shows that maybe you really are just angry. A few pages previously you wrote that most people don't have the background to understand studies. But its ok, you do, and you'll tell everybody what they mean.

Then you write this. Its like a confessional. I am a scientist. No, not medical science. But I've been trained extensively in this. I am not trying to pull rank on you. Lots of less educated people have the intelligence and critical capability to scrutinize scientific research. Some of them have developed that ability here, by discussing the "BOGUS CRAP" you so readily dismiss. They should just shut up and listen to you, eh?

Somebody with a proper background to understand studies can dig through the details of experimental design. Can evaluate the modeling and underlying assumptions. Can identify missing information. Can scrutinize the sampling method, statistical analyses performed, strength of results. Can mince and evaluate the logic applied in forming conclusions.

When you do this, you can pare those studies down to maybe 2 or 3 that are reliable and a couple more that are solid but incomplete. Now those few may still not agree entirely, or even at all. Oh, useless throw them away! LOL. What a scientist. No, those few studies tell you the figure and field. Their incompleteness forms new questions in your mind. Their contradictions point to answers. As you go along, you learn. And you never stop. Because there is no end in "learning." Only process.

I could go on and on. But this is how a scientist thinks. You sir, are no scientist. You are an authoritarian, desperate for an audience.

Dear Moderators: I've done my best not to cross the line you laid out while still making a point that I feel needs to be made. I hope I've succeeded. I thought the way Charlie laid out was great, and precisely in the tone of "think, perceive, act." I've tried to do the same, by opening the field to the "untrained" that Gbold appears to silence. If I've failed, please let me know how and where and I will strive to stay on this side of the line.

Thanks for putting that so eloquently, I tried explaining it in the pfs threas but was jumped on and smotherred by the desperate mob of miracle seekers.

He's had a couple valuable contributions to the pfs threas but his general approach to nutrition science seems inherently flawed and inconsistent. His attitude as well is, yes, highly authoritarian.

 

[Xisca]

When you write, you sometimes sound like you are ranting in anger.

Sounds like this, sigh... when triggered, or else he is not like this.
Do you all here understand what is anger?
The anger you can have when you wanted to fight in a situation, and they prevented you from doing it. This is typical of anger in general, but I mean it comes from a fight event from the past, even when triggered in the present.
Maybe as a woman, I do not express it with anger, but I know this feeling in myself, when I am triggered in a survival response. I will fight with the passion of a fireman. I have both saved somebody's life, and been unable to save somebody's life that I could have saved. Then, I remember being too much into my friends' health, for helping, and they told me so. I realized what it was, and my tention went away.
I told them "you are right, but you know, I was so triggered that this guy died, because if only he had told me "this", I had the information that would have saved his life."
I would get so upset when people did not listen to what I know! It is only about the stress that something might happen and that you could prevent.
Are you sure each of you that you never fall into the trap of counselling your freinds and familly? How do they react and how do you react?
I understand anger.

Here is what I wrote too, in another thread...

hundreds of people who are trying to help others

"gbolduev, may be because you are a survivor, I can feel some sense of urgency in the "not always very soft" commentaries you can write (when you speak in general), wheras there is a sense of help that emanate in the pfs topic (when you speak in a sense of action and cooperation with the guys). You are a fireman working with quiet strength when you are there!
You can be wrong with certain things, and we will know in 2 or 3 centuries, and you are surely not getting it all in so few years, but you have some logic at the humble basic level. I would just love that you spoke as kindly as you seem when you are not triggered. When it comes to health and saving lives, we can feel so helpless... and yes some die. I was wise to do nothing for my mom, whereas I do what I can for my dad, and even more for me, because it is possible to get better. Gran Canary has been burning for a few days, a woman even died, and the firemen have to choose where they put more strength more men and more efforts."

I understand and I value the informations.
Forgive and take what I need, and let others get what they need.
He is helping, and people are what they are with their story and their emotions, just forgive.

 

[managing]

Sounds like this, sigh... when triggered, or else he is not like this.
Do you all here understand what is anger?
The anger you can have when you wanted to fight in a situation, and they prevented you from doing it. This is typical of anger in general, but I mean it comes from a fight event from the past, even when triggered in the present.
Maybe as a woman, I do not express it with anger, but I know this feeling in myself, when I am triggered in a survival response. I will fight with the passion of a fireman. I have both saved somebody's life, and been unable to save somebody's life that I could have saved. Then, I remember being too much into my friends' health, for helping, and they told me so. I realized what it was, and my tention went away.
I told them "you are right, but you know, I was so triggered that this guy died, because if only he had told me "this", I had the information that would have saved his life."
I would get so upset when people did not listen to what I know! It is only about the stress that something might happen and that you could prevent.
Are you sure each of you that you never fall into the trap of counselling your freinds and familly? How do they react and how do you react?
I understand anger.

Here is what I wrote too, in another thread...

"gbolduev, may be because you are a survivor, I can feel some sense of urgency in the "not always very soft" commentaries you can write (when you speak in general), wheras there is a sense of help that emanate in the pfs topic (when you speak in a sense of action and cooperation with the guys). You are a fireman working with quiet strength when you are there!
You can be wrong with certain things, and we will know in 2 or 3 centuries, and you are surely not getting it all in so few years, but you have some logic at the humble basic level. I would just love that you spoke as kindly as you seem when you are not triggered. When it comes to health and saving lives, we can feel so helpless... and yes some die. I was wise to do nothing for my mom, whereas I do what I can for my dad, and even more for me, because it is possible to get better. Gran Canary has been burning for a few days, a woman even died, and the firemen have to choose where they put more strength more men and more efforts."

I understand and I value the informations.
Forgive and take what I need, and let others get what they need.
He is helping, and people are what they are with their story and their emotions, just forgive.

If I can paraphrase what you are saying:

gbold: don't be so authoritarian, it will make it easier for others to listen to you
managing: forgive and don't call him out for being authoritarian

So, first part, sure I can agree with that. But the second part is counterproductive. It seems to be quite a sport these days to come on here and disagree with RP. The irony is, as an anti-authoritarian he would presumably encourage it. But I don't think he would be very approving of authoritarian voices trying to co-opt something that ultimately has his name on it, and is dedicated to exploring his ideas.

In fact, I think he is anti-authoritarian even above anti-PUFA, anti-estrogen, or anything else explicitly health related.

 

[Xisca]

I do not feel your paraphrase to be the closest to my feeling... Let me think...
Then, many people including me have problems implementing RP ideas, and I really have to diminish fruits for example, in favor of veggies. I also slow dairies. I nearly missed taking B12 because of RP's idea about overmethylation, which is not my case. I had never taken anything that gave me such a difference overnight! My hot flashes did not go away with long term progest-e etc etc. And it is the lady at the health food store that convinced me to take what she proposed: digestive enzymes and HCl. Super efficient!
And I am glad I resisted taking thyroid, as my blood tests are in the normal range though not high.

So yes, we need to see that a high sugar and dairies diet is not for everybody. And we have to see for whom it helps. Peat is right for him and some more, but we are wrong to apply the same diet uniformely, even milk and orange juice. Gb is saying mainly this: it does not work for all. Some testimonies said that they were first fine with RP's diet, and then went too long on it and had to change. Balance... For the bottom line yes Gb is right, and it does not help to try to look for any little thing in which he could be wrong!

And read Peat sometimes, how he also insults the current trend of science!! It is just more artistically written than Gb!

 

[Xisca]

gbold: don't be so authoritarian, it will make it easier for others to listen to you
managing: forgive and don't call him out for being authoritarian

I think that anybody who is triggered to anger is hurting oneself, and this is the main reason for having to stop it and find out what is the trigger point for oneself.
I have some special sensibility to this and know what it is sometimes for some people. lol I have been burned for this in a past life! Nowadays is saffier for this!

I understand that some people have really been offended, but he really meant that repeating himself or having to justify himself prevented him to be efficient at helping! Don't you see he talks often about what they do in emergency rooms ? See how he speaks through the emergency screen and you will not feel offended that much. Ok, this is not reality here on a forum, except the concept of time, but we talk about health and solving serious issues, and I just mean this triggers urgency and survival. Not for everybody but for some.

Then when I forgive, I do it only for myself and still have my dislikes! I forgive all of us unperfect humans, but I cannot say I forget the acts... I am not buddha and not really enlightened...

I get the meaning of "call him out", but not the degree of language. Never mind, I have also said mostly the same, but just that I did not like this, and I still like him and what he brings, this is more important.

 

[alywest]

@Xisca, I just wanted to let you know that betaine HCl can cause seizures, confusion, hallucinations, as well as drowsiness. Just thought you should know that in case you start to experience any of those symptoms.

 

[Xisca]

@Xisca, I just wanted to let you know that betaine HCl can cause seizures, confusion, hallucinations, as well as drowsiness. Just thought you should know that in case you start to experience any of those symptoms.

You are more than welcome!
I tell you what I have more exactly:
I feel I could have some convultions, and I can shake more easily than I normally do. I went full into uncoordinated movements only twice in 7 years, and I do not think they were seizures. They were linked to internal shift in the ANS from personal work in trauma recovery.
Now I feel more tired and muscle-less than I really a m. I can walk and feel I cannot.
And last night I started to have some balance problem, as if my 2 sides were not the same.

It has been a few months that I started to feel I had some very slight sensations of loosing balance sometimes, but since yesterday it is clearer. I did use betaine HCl last year and never needed more than 2 or 3 per day.

Is it still too much if I take solgar digestive enzymes, as betaine is only 65mg?

Is the problem related to the product itself for some persons, or is it because I do not need the extra acid or chlorure electrolites?

 

[superhuman]

Is this suppose to be impressive? Raise your standards people

 

[alywest]

You are more than welcome!
I tell you what I have more exactly:
I feel I could have some convultions, and I can shake more easily than I normally do. I went full into uncoordinated movements only twice in 7 years, and I do not think they were seizures. They were linked to internal shift in the ANS from personal work in trauma recovery.
Now I feel more tired and muscle-less than I really a m. I can walk and feel I cannot.
And last night I started to have some balance problem, as if my 2 sides were not the same.

It has been a few months that I started to feel I had some very slight sensations of loosing balance sometimes, but since yesterday it is clearer. I did use betaine HCl last year and never needed more than 2 or 3 per day.

Is it still too much if I take solgar digestive enzymes, as betaine is only 65mg?

Is the problem related to the product itself for some persons, or is it because I do not need the extra acid or chlorure electrolites?

I'm not totally sure I just found the information on some of the websites like livestrong.com. I have also heard that digestive enzymes aren't really good to take for some reason but i don't think the reasons are as serious. Also, if you look at the WebMD website they actually say that betaine HCl does NOT create more stomach acid, and that the reasons that there are benefits for some people are totally unknown. I would stay away from it completely if I were you. Coffee also helps the body produce more pepsin, so if you drink coffee you should be ok.

 

[fradon]

@James IV - Can I ask how you're losing fat? Cal restriction, high intensity ex? Do you think cal intake is king when trying to slim down (ie matters more than macros)? Cheers.

to burn fat try lchf

to burn muscle try lfhc

 

[Xisca]

I'm not totally sure I just found the information on some of the websites like livestrong.com.

I ruled out the link of my reaction to the betaine HCl. A friend does pulse rate tests. She told me it was useless for me, and also that it was not hurting. And indeed I have enough acid, as only 1 pill from Lamberts gives me some stomach burn.

 

[OldMan]

Dear lord is that you in your profile pic? You look absolutely incredible for that age!

yes... its me... thank u..... pic is 10 months old.....

 

[Capt Nirvana]

This guy on Reddit has posted some interesting results, going anti-Peat, eating beans and omega-3, posting positive results.

How I stayed fit from my 20s into my mid-40s • r/Fitness

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