Male Orgasm And Hormones

[Franz]

I´ve been thinking about orgasms... Back when my metabolism was low I only needed to release the pressure about every other day. Now It´s 2 or even 3 times a day.
The following questions come to mind.
Is it normal to NEED an orgasm several times a day as young man with a good metabolism?
How does an orgasm/ abstinence influence hormones and are these changes good or bad?
Sperm contains a lot of zinc. If you ejaculate serval times a day, might that be problematic?

 

[j.]

this is just a guess, but i think the personality and emotional state affects the frequency with which one wants to have orgasms.

 

[Franz]

Pretty sure it's hormonal since I'm not talking about wanting but about needing (for normal functioning/ not going crazy): pressure, inability to focus, feeling stressed etc

 

[tomisonbottom]

Dave aspry on the bulletproof executive website says that men perform better with less orgasms and women perform better with more. Something about it making men more driven to work harder,etc. Whereas women do better with more because they don't perform as well under stress but under relaxation. Don't know if he's right, just what I read.

 

[Asimov]

Dave aspry on the bulletproof executive website says that men perform better with less orgasms and women perform better with more. Something about it making men more driven to work harder,etc. Whereas women do better with more because they don't perform as well under stress but under relaxation. Don't know if he's right, just what I read.

This is pretty much broscience, like everything Dave Aspry is connected too (except butter-rich coffee, which is awesome)

There are slightly increasing levels of testosterone in the male up to around the 6th day of refraining from ejaculation, at which point testosterone levels begin to drop off a cliff. However if you look at the free test levels, even in males at their natural peak, it's pretty pitiful compared to endogenous administration.

Like all things with Dave Asprey, you can attribute any "performance enhancing" effects to the speed he takes. Not refraining from ejaculation, not MCT, not glutathione, not fungus free coffee beans from Venezuela......it's the speed.....

In general everyone is happier, healthier, and more functional (save the refractory period, when people are pretty much worthless) the more they ejaculate. Humans are pretty much animals designed to walk, cook, eat, pick-up things, do complex problem solving, and procreate. The more we do those things, the better we are. The less we do those things, the less gooder we are.

 

[j.]

Asimov, you write interesting things. Do you have a blog?

 

[charlie]

In general everyone is happier, healthier, and more functional (save the refractory period, when people are pretty much worthless) the more they ejaculate. Humans are pretty much animals designed to walk, cook, eat, pick-up things, do complex problem solving, and procreate. The more we do those things, the better we are. The less we do those things, the less gooder we are.

I dunno man. I am doing no fap since the first of the year and feeling pretty darn good. The libido overload can be a bit hard to deal with sometimes but otherwise I think my entire mood has improved.

 

[Dan W]

Danny Roddy mentions monitoring "orgasm satisfaction" as a useful way to estimate estrogen levels, based on Peat saying:

"High estrogen does sometimes cause insatiable sexual interest, partly because it increases adrenal androgens, and partly by inhibiting satisfying orgasms. Too much progesterone can suppress or neutralize the androgens. Thyroid is the best way to regulate the system, keeping libido up, making orgasms satisfying."

I assume (based on how Danny uses it), that that principle applies to both genders.

 

[Asimov]

I dunno man. I am doing no fap since the first of the year and feeling pretty darn good. The libido overload can be a bit hard to deal with sometimes but otherwise I think my entire mood has improved.

If you believe the studies, your test levels have been dropping after the 6th day of no ejaculation. They eventually hit a floor a few months out, right around pre-pubescent levels. I'm glad you're feeling good, but it's more likely because you've got the rest of your health on track.

Asimov, you write interesting things. Do you have a blog?

Sorry, not ATM. I'm "incognito". I'm a health and fitness author, that's all I'll say about that.

 

[Dan W]

If you believe the studies, your test levels have been dropping after the 6th day of no ejaculation. They eventually hit a floor a few months out, right around pre-pubescent levels.

I couldn't casually find these studies, can you elaborate? Seems like it'd be hard to rule out compliance and nocturnal-emission problems.

I'm "incognito". I'm a health and fitness author, that's all I'll say about that.

No need to be coy. We know it's you, Jillian Michaels!

 

[cliff]

For me I can go without it for a pretty long time with no issues. When I'm with my girl tho I can't really control myself

I think if you have to(like crazy urge) ejaculate 2-3 times a day that means something might be up, or you look at too much porn :p

 

[4peatssake]

No need to be coy. We know it's you, Jillian Michaels!

 

[Asimov]

I couldn't casually find these studies, can you elaborate? Seems like it'd be hard to rule out compliance and nocturnal-emission problems.

One study that I know of, done by Zhejiang University. Basically they asked participants to ejaculate and then abstain. For the first 5 days, test went up marginally, on the 6th day it peaked, and on the 7th day it went back to baseline. But I've only read the abstract, and frankly, don't care to read the methods on how a bunch of researchers obtained compliance on preventing a bunch of overly-horny Chinese college boys from playing with their ding dongs. And apparently neither does anyone else, because I've never seen the study repeated. However it was a handful of participants, and their results were pretty consistent, so it wouldn't make sense that everyone broke abstinence at the same time.

Let's not forget guys, testosterone isn't the only determining factor in your mood in and around ejaculatory time frames. Ejaculation probably releases dopamine in the brain, and sex (specifically vaginal sex) probably leads to huge dopamine releases in the brain. Excessive ejaculation can cause the brain to block out dopamine, essentially forcing an addict seeking-type behavior for the dopamine release (ie: more ejaculations). The rat research shows it can take up to 2 weeks to recover from this dopamine blocked (ie: miserable) state.

If you ceased masterbating and feel better, it's likely that you've recovered from the brain changes that happen from over-masterbating. But masterbating in and of it's self isn't the problem.

Like most things in life, I feel that masterbating and ejaculation is best done when strongly desired, and ignored when not.

 

[rivercurrents]

In general everyone is happier, healthier, and more functional (save the refractory period, when people are pretty much worthless) the more they ejaculate. Humans are pretty much animals designed to walk, cook, eat, pick-up things, do complex problem solving, and procreate. The more we do those things, the better we are. The less we do those things, the less gooder we are.

I dunno man. I am doing no fap since the first of the year and feeling pretty darn good. The libido overload can be a bit hard to deal with sometimes but otherwise I think my entire mood has improved.

For me orgasm and ejaculation are two completely contrasting experiences.

Orgasm is something I've ONLY known when I'm in a deeply relaxed and sexual state (usually at minimum a couple days after I've ejaculated and the longer the better) and almost exclusively when I'm on my own. It involves relaxation, fantasy, minimal self-touch, slow deep out-breath breathing etc. I always feel great and energized afterward.

Ejaculation is what happens (if I can't stop it) when I have sex and it usually immediately follows my wife starting to make a lot of groaning noises and I get a thought that I might ejaculate and fail to complete her ‘good time’ and then this anxious thought (sympathetic nervous system?) tips me toward the ejaculation response and I either manage to clench down and stop it, or I don't and then I feel somehow empty, low-energy and slightly depressed and uninspired for up to a day or so. Sometimes I manage to not get anxious or have the anxious thought and then I can keep going and she has her 'orgasm' but I'm just doing the motions... certainly no feelings of orgasm.

The irony is that when I have an orgasm, there is almost no compulsion to ejaculate! I just feel an ecstatic pulsing heat and melting waves through my body and I can stop the ejaculation EASILY, as opposed to how difficult it is to stop ejaculating when I'm having sex and NOT feeling the orgasm... Unfortunately for me (and her), being in a woman's company somehow disrupts my capacity to relax deeply enough to experience orgasm.

The only description I've ever read that seems to describe what I'm experiencing is in a book called "Tantric Sex For Men, Making Love a Meditation" by Diana Richardson and Michael Richardson but for me the book fails to describe (scientifically) what is happening in my body. 'Energy' is such a loose concept and I want to understand in terms of hormones, neurology etc, rather than abstract concepts like 'jing' and so on...

Has anyone else here grappled with similar confusion around this mystery?

Cheers
Warren

here's a couple quotes from the book:

"The general assumption is that male ejaculation is a man's version of an orgasm.
However, some men have discovered that ejaculation is definitely not a true
orgasm."

"Tantra masters also inform us that ejaculation is always preceded by the thought
of ejaculation, that the origin of ejaculation is actually in the mind. Without the
thought of ejaculation there is rarely an ejaculation (except when a woman gets ..."

"Absence of ejaculation (nonejaculation) is not the same as ejaculation control. There is a significant difference between not ejaculating as a result of relaxation and controlling the ejaculation."

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[Parsifal]

Well maybe I need to tell everyone about my recent discovery.
I've been highly anhedonic since the beginning of my teenage years and felt almost no positive emotions nor orgasm (just stress and sometimes sadness but mostly only stress when it occured) since at least 10 years. 7 years ago I've started smoking weed and it helped me feel happy/deep emotions/motivation and orgasm again but I had to stop 3-4 years ago because of health issues and felt highly anhedonic again. No fap for several month/years did not change anything.

Peating or thyroid did not help with feeling happy or orgasm and just slightly increased my motivation/attention (and I suspect that gelatin and high GABA might even increase the thing) but since 3 days I've been eating a lot of dark chocolate (30g/days) and damn, I'm feeling emotions again and orgasm... So this was only a dopamin problem... Can't wait do receive my theanine to see if that help...
By the way I am drinking milk with the chocolate to prevent the absorption of resveratrol that can increase the serotonin.

Still need to improve my ADD now.
I think that my DNA analysis from 23andme showed a SNP on MAO A and B (maybe I have less dopamin/serotonin than most people).

 

[ecstatichamster]

Well maybe I need to tell everyone about my recent discovery.
I've been highly anhedonic since the beginning of my teenage years and felt almost no positive emotions nor orgasm (just stress and sometimes sadness but mostly only stress when it occured) since at least 10 years. 7 years ago I've started smoking weed and it helped me feel happy/deep emotions/motivation and orgasm again but I had to stop 3-4 years ago because of health issues and felt highly anhedonic again. No fap for several month/years did not change anything.

Peating or thyroid did not help with feeling happy or orgasm and just slightly increased my motivation/attention (and I suspect that gelatin and high GABA might even increase the thing) but since 3 days I've been eating a lot of dark chocolate (30g/days) and damn, I'm feeling emotions again and orgasm... So this was only a dopamin problem... Can't wait do receive my theanine to see if that help...
By the way I am drinking milk with the chocolate to prevent the absorption of resveratrol that can increase the serotonin.

Still need to improve my ADD now.
I think that my DNA analysis from 23andme showed a SNP on MAO A and B (maybe I have less dopamin/serotonin than most people).

is there any follow up to this, Parsifal?

 

[Parsifal]

is there any follow up to this, Parsifal?

My anhedonia improved TREMENDOUSLY after starting Tyromax but I still need to work on a lot of things... :)

 

[lvysaur]

I'm the opposite, and I suspect it should be similar for everyone.

For me, low metabolism = masturbate 5x a day, high metabolism = not preoccupied with sex

 

[Simonsays]

Ive always been a wanker ( a lot more in my teens) . I remember doing it 14 times in an evening during my exams at 16, to relieve stress.
Im hypo since at least my late 20s (im now 51) and to an extent i think masturbation and sex for me has been a great reliever of stress.
I think with hypo people they are running on cortisol and stress hormones more than the average person and masturbation, drink, drugs or whatever can be a great reliever.