Maasai people - lowest life expectancy in the whole world

[Dr. B]

Don't know about thiamine, but bag breathing or anything that increases CO2 helps. I think in one of the latest Danny Roddy interviews Peat has mentionend that it's not equal to living in a high CO2 environment.

what about using carbonic anhydrase inhibitors hasnt Peat sometimes used the term interchangeably. i read a quote or newsletter in the last few days where Peat talked about something occurring at high altitude "or if someone is using a carbonic anhydrase inhibitor"
he thinks pomegranate juice should retain the inhibitors even if its heated/pasteurized...
cuz the main ones ive seen available are the POM brand non organic concentrate one, then not from concentrate has the lakewood brand and smart juice brands which are also organic, expensive at $10 for a liter

 

[Lollipop2]

It's a fraud. They claim it, but CO2 does not cause global warming, nor are the levels harmful. A Climate Research Unit that supplies the UN's climate change panel with data got hacked in 2009 and it showed how they faked numbers. The topic has been whitewashed in the media, but the about 250MB of leaked emails don't lie, anyone can read them for themselves here, including talk about fudging numbers:
Index of /FOIA

The Telegraph | Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation
"The second and most shocking revelation of the leaked documents is how they show the scientists trying to manipulate data through their tortuous computer programmes, always to point in only the one desired direction – to lower past temperatures and to "adjust" recent temperatures upwards, in order to convey the impression of an accelerated warming. This comes up so often (not least in the documents relating to computer data in the Harry Read Me file) that it becomes the most disturbing single element of the entire story. This is what Mr McIntyre caught Dr Hansen doing with his GISS temperature record last year (after which Hansen was forced to revise his record), and two further shocking examples have now come to light from Australia and New Zealand.
In each of these countries it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based. In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played – to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising. And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU.
What is tragically evident from the Harry Read Me file is the picture it gives of the CRU scientists hopelessly at sea with the complex computer programmes they had devised to contort their data in the approved direction, more than once expressing their own desperation at how difficult it was to get the desired results.
The third shocking revelation of these documents is the ruthless way in which these academics have been determined to silence any expert questioning of the findings they have arrived at by such dubious methods – not just by refusing to disclose their basic data but by discrediting and freezing out any scientific journal which dares to publish their critics' work. It seems they are prepared to stop at nothing to stifle scientific debate in this way, not least by ensuring that no dissenting research should find its way into the pages of IPCC reports."




We are actually moving into an ice age, with a shorter warm period that we are living through now. That's also what I got taught in elementary school, before the CO2 lie began. The ice age begins in about 300 years.

The Coming Ice Age

I posted a few threads on the controversial ideas that the climate change we are seeing is not really global warming but global cooling, with the latter being driven by changes in the Sun's magnetic field. As it turns out, this idea of cyclical Ice Age periods gripping the Earth every 10,000 -...

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Great post.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Also their diet is very low carb and high iron.

 

[boris]

Also their diet is very low carb and high iron.

Milk inhibits iron absorption. 4 quarts of milk has 200g of sugar and they also eat fruit. Blood has thyroid and other beneficial things. They have a very good diet.

 

[boris]

Thank you for posting a good summary of possible human longevity, which could be real. There is a Chinese Emperor who researched herbs by testing them on himself. Supposedly he ate something that poisoned him so he died when he was 250 years. I didn’t recognize his name in that list. I hope to find my old notes.

I am a big fan of the stories about the Comte De St. Germain. Some believe that he still might be alive. Think of this - if you had an exceptionally long lifespan would you want that information spread around and made public? Due to over exposure many well-known people die too young now. Perhaps, right now, we have some people who are well over 200yrs and they are able to avoid exposure.

We can see what happened to the Maasai people. As soon as it was known that they, as a group not simply one person, were living longer and appeared to be healthier than most people, outsiders arrived to poke at them. They were moved out of their traditional habitat with the result that those life-style changes were very uncomfortable and disorienting due to being forced upon them rather than a natural 'organic' process of their own choosing.

Yeah and even if an extraordinarily old person decided to make it public, discrediting the story wouldn‘t take more than a snopes article.

 

[Apple]

All the average life expectancies of natural tribes get pulled down by infant deaths. The people live to a old age, they don't die at 40.

But infant deaths also mean that they are culled by nature since birth...only fittest survives. So when we see an adult Maasai he already went through sort of selection, no wonder he/she has good teeth,posture, eyesight, resistance to infections, lactose tolerance... unlike kids in modern society.
Even among Maasai there are lactose intolerant kids...I guess they grow less strong due to lack of calories

They don't have to read so it is obvious their eyesight is good.
Judging from their photos they age like any other people , their teeth decay(but still good teeth), they get wrinkled skin, suffer hair loss. Even their women have receding hairline on temples...weird

 

[Apple]

Wow. So apparently a diet consisting mainly of beans and corn is not a good diet. Who could have ever guessed?

I just wanted to point out that the diet consisting of beans and corn (Tarahumara Indians) is not worse nor better than the diet of milk and blood... same life expectancy in primitive tribes

 

[Apple]

does this mean doing everything we possibly can to increase/retain CO2 is helpful? so, megadosing thiamine hcl regularly, and bag breathing or mask wearing regularly, would help?

I think it's like Peat says that it has to do with high CO2 levels in the past.

I believe giants could have existed in the past because of lower gravity:

Ancient Civilisations Considered Advanced-AF. Modern Day Health Implications

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Interestingly, there is a high percentage of centenarians among Tibetans...
There are 64 centenarians in every 10 million people in China, while the ratio in Tibet is an amazing 440 centenarians to 10 million people, making it one of highest in China.
Research shows that all of the centenarians in Tibet are native Tibetans who are used to the high altitude, do physical labour and have a routine life. They are regarded as optimistic and easy-going.

Though I don't believe they grow giant , maybe the gravity is still too strong in there. In Tibet, the Khampas are known for their great height. Khampa males are on average 180 cm tall (5 ft 11 in)
The three basic and staple foods of Tibet are butter tea, barley and yak meat. Barley, being the most important crop in Tibet, is used extensively in the form of flour. The milk of a yak (A2) together with some salt and tea are churned to make butter tea.
Tibetan genes have been tweaked to cope with high altitude, resulting in higher body mass index (BMI) and a boost in the body's production of the vitamin folate.
A recent study of Tibetan villagers who live their lives at around 15,000 feet has shown that they have 10 oxygen-processing genes not commonly found in lowland populations.

Tibetan Seniors Set Record for Long Life

There is a theory that the Tibetan Plateau is responsible for cooling the world by taking carbon dioxide out of the air and shoving it into minerals.

Where Tibetan highlanders live, the oxygen level is only about 60% of that at sea level. Since every cell in our body needs oxygen to survive, low oxygen levels pose a serious health concern for most people. At such altitudes, people whose ethnic roots trace to low-lying geographic regions are likely to experience nausea, vomiting, dizziness, high blood pressure, and worse — fluid in the lungs and swelling of the brain, which can be life-threatening. Lowlanders who live at high altitudes for long periods of time are likely to develop heart and lung disease. In addition, women from lowland backgrounds have decreased fertility at high altitudes, and the children they do have experience increased rates of infant mortality.

Yet people with roots in these areas are largely able to avoid these problems. Biologists aren't sure how they do it. When lowlanders travel to high altitudes, their bodies produce more red blood cells, which house the oxygen-carrying protein hemoglobin. However, Tibetans living at high altitudes have red blood cell levels and hemoglobin levels similar to those of lowlanders at sea level — and as a consequence of the low oxygen levels at those altitudes, Tibetans live with 10% less oxygen in their blood than most other people. Lower oxygen levels might seem like a disadvantage, yet highland women have fewer fertility problems than lowlanders living at high altitudes, have better blood flow to the uterus during pregnancy, and deliver heavier, healthier babies.1 For these reasons, biologists are convinced that there is an evolutionary explanation for Tibetans' success — that over generations of living at high altitudes, natural selection has favored traits that allow Tibetans to survive and reproduce in this extreme environment.

Also...
On returning to sea level after successful acclimatization to high altitude, the body usually has more red blood cells and greater lung expansion capability than needed. Since this provides athletes in endurance sports with a competitive advantage, the U.S. maintains an Olympic training center in the mountains of Colorado. Several other nations also train their athletes at high altitude for this reason. However, the physiological changes that result in increased fitness are short term at low altitude. In a matter of weeks, the body returns to a normal fitness level.

 

[baccheion]

But infant deaths also mean that they are culled by nature since birth...only fittest survives. So when we see an adult Maasai he already went through sort of selection, no wonder he/she has good teeth,posture, eyesight, resistance to infections, lactose tolerance... unlike kids in modern society.
Even among Maasai there are lactose intolerant kids...I guess they grow less strong due to lack of calories

They don't have to read so it is obvious their eyesight is good.
Judging from their photos they age like any other people , their teeth decay(but still good teeth), they get wrinkled skin, suffer hair loss. Even their women have receding hairline on temples...weird
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The diet would need iodine (protocol) and vitamin K2 MK-4, especially as they are black. A bit of vitamin C. Iron. Melatonin and DHEA (night and morning) help against the immunogenic nature of saturated FFAs.

 

[Dr. B]

The diet would need iodine (protocol) and vitamin K2 MK-4, especially as they are black. A bit of vitamin C. Iron. Melatonin and DHEA (night and morning) help against the immunogenic nature of saturated FFAs.

why would it need iodine and MK4 due to them being black? doesnt milk especially raw provide more than enough of both of those? the vitamin C could come from the blood and raw organ meats, milk and maybe honey?
why would they need to supplement melatonin, and what do you mean by immunogenic nature of saturated fats. they suppress, or boost the immune system?
iodine massively stimulates immunity and can seriously increase cortisol in some people, or damage the thyroid due to the peroxide production

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Thank you for posting a good summary of possible human longevity, which could be real. There is a Chinese Emperor who researched herbs by testing them on himself. Supposedly he ate something that poisoned him so he died when he was 250 years. I didn’t recognize his name in that list. I hope to find my old notes.

I am a big fan of the stories about the Comte De St. Germain. Some believe that he still might be alive. Think of this - if you had an exceptionally long lifespan would you want that information spread around and made public? Due to over exposure many well-known people die too young now. Perhaps, right now, we have some people who are well over 200yrs and they are able to avoid exposure.

We can see what happened to the Maasai people. As soon as it was known that they, as a group not simply one person, were living longer and appeared to be healthier than most people, outsiders arrived to poke at them. They were moved out of their traditional habitat with the result that those life-style changes were very uncomfortable and disorienting due to being forced upon them rather than a natural 'organic' process of their own choosing.

Most of these myths are likely to be exaggerations. St Germain is allegedly something called an ascended master, and to accept these myths you would be best looking into the spiritual.

From a materialist perspective this stuff makes seems unlikely, and is best dismissed as myth no different than the stories about giant frogmen or whatever the medieval people made up to pass the time. Even the billionaires die no matter what they try, if there were herbs that could cure them, they would have found them.

 

[Dr. B]

Most of these myths are likely to be exaggerations. St Germain is allegedly something called an ascended master, and to accept these myths you would be best looking into the spiritual.

From a materialist perspective this stuff makes seems unlikely, and is best dismissed as myth no different than the stories about giant frogmen or whatever the medieval people made up to pass the time. Even the billionaires die no matter what they try, if there were herbs that could cure them, they would have found them.

the herbs would only help lifespan to an extent, those lifespans would have been due to better, cleaner environment, better food supply, no vaccines and all the modern problems, fluoride, xrays, pufa, etc

 

[baccheion]

why would it need iodine and MK4 due to them being black? doesnt milk especially raw provide more than enough of both of those? the vitamin C could come from the blood and raw organ meats, milk and maybe honey?
why would they need to supplement melatonin, and what do you mean by immunogenic nature of saturated fats. they suppress, or boost the immune system?
iodine massively stimulates immunity and can seriously increase cortisol in some people, or damage the thyroid due to the peroxide production

To keep the thyroid working and to uptake cholesterol (LDLR). Further, endurance exercise/activity does not go well with low-carb/keto/carnivore. Their diet is not aligned with their ethnicity and lifestyle.

With iodine protocol, I believe selenium is added to protect against peroxidation.

MK-4 also increases alkaline phosphatase, something that "denatures" endotoxin.

They don't consume that much blood or organs.

Saturated FFAs lead to inflammation.

I wonder what labs checking oxLDL would look like for these people.

 

[Roni123@]

how would it be to soak the dough?

Unfortunately no. White wheat flour is still very toxic. But Peat has said the enzymes will still work in the same way even if the grains are ground up. So you can soak the dough made with white flour for like 12 hours when making bread, or fermenting it to a sour dough, it will be similar to sprouting.

 

[Dr. B]

Most of these myths are likely to be exaggerations. St Germain is allegedly something called an ascended master, and to accept these myths you would be best looking into the spiritual.

From a materialist perspective this stuff makes seems unlikely, and is best dismissed as myth no different than the stories about giant frogmen or whatever the medieval people made up to pass the time. Even the billionaires die no matter what they try, if there were herbs that could cure them, they would have found them.

seems believable, the further back in time you go, the less toxic the food and environment etc

But infant deaths also mean that they are culled by nature since birth...only fittest survives. So when we see an adult Maasai he already went through sort of selection, no wonder he/she has good teeth,posture, eyesight, resistance to infections, lactose tolerance... unlike kids in modern society.
Even among Maasai there are lactose intolerant kids...I guess they grow less strong due to lack of calories

They don't have to read so it is obvious their eyesight is good.
Judging from their photos they age like any other people , their teeth decay(but still good teeth), they get wrinkled skin, suffer hair loss. Even their women have receding hairline on temples...weird
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reading makes eyesight worse?how?

Milk inhibits iron absorption. 4 quarts of milk has 200g of sugar and they also eat fruit. Blood has thyroid and other beneficial things. They have a very good diet.

wow, so blood is in fact beneficial to use? its very high in iron. is ancestral supplements freeze dried blood worth using. its like 8mg iron per 500mg capsule.

Interestingly, there is a high percentage of centenarians among Tibetans...
There are 64 centenarians in every 10 million people in China, while the ratio in Tibet is an amazing 440 centenarians to 10 million people, making it one of highest in China.
Research shows that all of the centenarians in Tibet are native Tibetans who are used to the high altitude, do physical labour and have a routine life. They are regarded as optimistic and easy-going.

Though I don't believe they grow giant , maybe the gravity is still too strong in there. In Tibet, the Khampas are known for their great height. Khampa males are on average 180 cm tall (5 ft 11 in)
The three basic and staple foods of Tibet are butter tea, barley and yak meat. Barley, being the most important crop in Tibet, is used extensively in the form of flour. The milk of a yak (A2) together with some salt and tea are churned to make butter tea.
Tibetan genes have been tweaked to cope with high altitude, resulting in higher body mass index (BMI) and a boost in the body's production of the vitamin folate.
A recent study of Tibetan villagers who live their lives at around 15,000 feet has shown that they have 10 oxygen-processing genes not commonly found in lowland populations.
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Tibetan Seniors Set Record for Long Life

There is a theory that the Tibetan Plateau is responsible for cooling the world by taking carbon dioxide out of the air and shoving it into minerals.

Where Tibetan highlanders live, the oxygen level is only about 60% of that at sea level. Since every cell in our body needs oxygen to survive, low oxygen levels pose a serious health concern for most people. At such altitudes, people whose ethnic roots trace to low-lying geographic regions are likely to experience nausea, vomiting, dizziness, high blood pressure, and worse — fluid in the lungs and swelling of the brain, which can be life-threatening. Lowlanders who live at high altitudes for long periods of time are likely to develop heart and lung disease. In addition, women from lowland backgrounds have decreased fertility at high altitudes, and the children they do have experience increased rates of infant mortality.

Yet people with roots in these areas are largely able to avoid these problems. Biologists aren't sure how they do it. When lowlanders travel to high altitudes, their bodies produce more red blood cells, which house the oxygen-carrying protein hemoglobin. However, Tibetans living at high altitudes have red blood cell levels and hemoglobin levels similar to those of lowlanders at sea level — and as a consequence of the low oxygen levels at those altitudes, Tibetans live with 10% less oxygen in their blood than most other people. Lower oxygen levels might seem like a disadvantage, yet highland women have fewer fertility problems than lowlanders living at high altitudes, have better blood flow to the uterus during pregnancy, and deliver heavier, healthier babies.1 For these reasons, biologists are convinced that there is an evolutionary explanation for Tibetans' success — that over generations of living at high altitudes, natural selection has favored traits that allow Tibetans to survive and reproduce in this extreme environment.

Also...
On returning to sea level after successful acclimatization to high altitude, the body usually has more red blood cells and greater lung expansion capability than needed. Since this provides athletes in endurance sports with a competitive advantage, the U.S. maintains an Olympic training center in the mountains of Colorado. Several other nations also train their athletes at high altitude for this reason. However, the physiological changes that result in increased fitness are short term at low altitude. In a matter of weeks, the body returns to a normal fitness level.

interesting ive wanted to try yaks milk

 

[Motif]

Everybody on these pictures is bald.
Even women hair is receding.

 

[blob69]

These statistics are faulty. Like someone mentioned already, they are pulled down by infant deaths that are counted differently in traditional societies like the Maasai. Traditional societies counted each infant death because life was sacred to them, while now many deaths in Western countries simply are not counted (i.e. stillborns and deceased soon after death with a low birth weight), which has a huge effect on mortality statistics.

Also, "life expectancy" that everyone talks about is in reality a made up figure, based on extrapolation of recent trends for those being born now, and calculations that even take into account a country's GDP (so that the rich countries will automatically have a higher life expectancy).

In reality, people on average die at ages that are much lower than the stated life expectancy. In my country the average age at death for males was almost a decade less than the stated life expectancy only a few years ago. I discussed this with a PhD demographer and couldn't believe what I was hearing. It's amazing to me how badly can statistics skew reality.

And obviously life expectancy that they project into the future now will not materialize in the slightest, seeing where things are going now.

 

[mamakitty]

Sure it is , but with their high metabolism they should be pretty adaptated to unsanitary conditions. (pretty much like any other primitive tribes)
After all they make it to 42 yo. What happens after ?
I assume Hunza Valley people don't have access to modern medicine and modern amenities too but have life expectancy almost 100 yo
Ok, it is not very fair to compare them but I think Maasai are supposed to live longer.

Is hunza valley in Africa too?

 

[mamakitty]

Raw meat milk and blood is a good diet actually tbh

No

 

[mamakitty]

Dr. Mann, who published some of the early research, did an autopsy study of 50 Masai men and found that they had extensive atherosclerosis. They had disease (coronary intimal thickening) on par with older American men. Over 80% of the men over age 40 had severe fibrosis in their aorta, the main blood vessel from the heart that supplies the rest of the body with blood. Yet there were no heart attacks shown on autopsy and these men still had functional heart vessels without blockages because their vessels had become larger. Researchers thought this might have been related to their rather extreme daily physical activity.

Masai and Inuit High-Protein Diets: A Closer Look - Center for Nutrition Studies

Are the Masai and Inuits as healthy as the Paleo enthusiasts make them out to be?

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Doesn’t this literally contradict your own op?