Maasai people - lowest life expectancy in the whole world

[soul_rebel]

My guess is poor sanitation and infant mortality, control for that and their lifestyle/health will be on par with other populations. We take for granted not being around nasty bacteria/viruses all day in developed countries. We think chemicals/EMF are bad (and they can be) but being around nasty bacteria/viruses is not a CAN be bad but ARE bad.

 

[Dr. B]

They(Maasai ) tend to have low blood pressure, their overall cholesterol levels are low, they have low incidences of cholesterol gallstones, as well as low rates of coronary artery diseases such as atherosclerosis.
How come they have such a low life expectancy ?
The average male lives to the age of 42. (45 for women)
Aren't we suppose to hear more stories about Maasai supercentenarians ?

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Unfortunately, circumcision in both boys and girls take place at the age of (about) 13 years old. The “ceremony” happens by an experienced member of the tribe, without a doctor or anaesthetic. Consequently, a great deal of deaths occur each year.

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Mud, sticks, grass, cow dung, urine and ashes are the active ingredients in constructing houses.

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diet consists of raw meat, raw milk and raw blood from cattle

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doesn't uncooked meat and blood transmit viruses and disease? And doesn't urine and cow dung seem unsanitary to you?

Sounds horrific actually.

raw meat and raw milk is the best, especially when its eaten fresh
theres apparently some members of the Maasai who can see things one mile away with clear vision, and can see stars that most humans need telescopes for...
their diet of raw milk, raw blood, raw honey, is probably one of the best, peatiest diets
I asked Peat about blood he said most people get too much iron but for the Maasai its acceptable since the diet is mostly milk

the viruses/disease depends on the health of the animal itself not so much rawness apparently...
even in the US there's certain dishes that use raw ground beef (cant remember the dish name)

This is the average age being pulled down by infant deaths. They don‘t just live to 42, they live just as long as any human.

I didn‘t read the details about the heart conditions/thickening they found, but the Masai drink mainly sour milk, an excess of lactic acid could cause that. The benefit of the calcium and nutrients from the milk seem to overweigh the negatives, since they are almost completely disease free even with the „heart condition“.

i heard they drink fresh raw milk

dont they eat animal parts like nose, ears etc too

 

[boris]

i heard they drink fresh raw milk

I'd say probably sometimes right after milking. I read that they mostly drink sour milk. I don't believe they drink mainly fresh milk, that would be inconvenient because they don't have refrigeration.

But I'm not sure. There are different Masai with different diets.

 

[Gungnir]

I do not know which way you are referring to in the first part of your message »by the same way.... »,if you havnt See data which quantify Masai vegetables consumption why do you assume that their diet do not contain enough vegetables?

I think it is widely accepted that the Massai diet consists primarily of blood, milk, meat, and fat. Are you suggesting the Massai have a particular vegetable as a staple in their diet?

 

[Gungnir]

Tarahumara Indians - life expectancy 45
the simple diet of the Tarahumara Indians, composed primarily of beans and corn, provided a high intake of complex carbohydrate and was low in fat and cholesterol. Their diet was found to be generally of high nutritional quality and would, by all criteria, be considered antiatherogenic.

Wow. So apparently a diet consisting mainly of beans and corn is not a good diet. Who could have ever guessed?

 

[boris]

Wow. So apparently a diet consisting mainly of beans and corn is not a good diet. Who could have ever guessed?

All the average life expectancies of natural tribes get pulled down by infant deaths. The people live to a old age, they don't die at 40.

They are not stupid like the modern human to eat the stuff in it's most poisonous state. They sprout or ferment or nixtamalize their grains to remove their toxic qualities.

 

[Gungnir]

All the average life expectancies of natural tribes get pulled down by infant deaths. The people live to a old age, they don't die at 40.

They are not stupid like the modern human to eat the stuff in it's most poisonous state. They sprout or ferment or nixtamalize their grains to remove their toxic qualities.

Are you saying not a single statistician has accounted for infant deaths when studying longevity in various populations?

 

[Dr. B]

One factor explaining their poor longevity might be their very tall stature.

Maybe their animal diet produces high growth hormone which depletes their natural stem cells pool.

whats their average height

All the average life expectancies of natural tribes get pulled down by infant deaths. The people live to a old age, they don't die at 40.

They are not stupid like the modern human to eat the stuff in it's most poisonous state. They sprout or ferment or nixtamalize their grains to remove their toxic qualities.

i also read on here or elsewhere that Maasai health has been decreasing since some of them introduced grains and corn into their diets
does sprouting grains/flour make it less toxic? some Amish farmers sell sprouted grain products

 

[ursidae]

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[boris]

Are you saying not a single statistician has accounted for infant deaths when studying longevity in various populations

The figures are not adjusted for infant deaths, they are counted in. It's not designed like that by accident, you are supposed to believe that ancient humans or people from natural tribes die at a young age, so you can marvel at our "advancements" in medicine and technology, thinking they prolong our life expectancy, while they actually lower it.

does sprouting grains/flour make it less toxic? some Amish farmers sell sprouted grain products

Yes, the sprouting activates the enzymes that deactivate some of the toxins and makes the nutrients available to the baby plant (or the human who cooks them). Sprouting wheat for example removes a lot of the gluten.

 

[Dr. B]

The figures are not adjusted for infant deaths, they are counted in. It's not designed like that by accident, you are supposed to believe that ancient humans or people from natural tribes die at a young age, so you can marvel at our "advancements" in medicine and technology, thinking they prolong our life expectancy, while they actually lower it.




Yes, the sprouting activates the enzymes that deactivate some of the toxins and makes the nutrients available to the baby plant (or the human who cooks them). Sprouting wheat for example removes a lot of the gluten.

what about white wheat flour? i thought white bread would be free of toxins as well?

regarding your first point, do you think humans lived hundreds of years in the past and grew much taller?

 

[boris]

what about white wheat flour? i thought white bread would be free of toxins as well?

Unfortunately no. White wheat flour is still very toxic. But Peat has said the enzymes will still work in the same way even if the grains are ground up. So you can soak the dough made with white flour for like 12 hours when making bread, or fermenting it to a sour dough, it will be similar to sprouting.

 

[boris]

regarding your first point, do you think humans lived hundreds of years in the past and grew much taller?

I think our modern lifespan of 70-90 years is the result of stress, wrong nutrition, industrial toxins, the medical system, etc..
The ages that some mythological persons reached (around 500 years) are probably realistic in a better environment. Peat mentionend that higher CO2 levels in the past might have contributed to extreme longevity.

Longevity myths - Wikipedia
Ancient extreme longevity claims[edit]
These include claims prior to approximately 150 AD, before the fall of the Roman empire.

China[edit]

• Fu Xi (伏羲) was supposed to have lived for 197 years.[28]
• Lucian wrote about the "Seres" (a Chinese people), claiming they lived for over 300 years.
• Zuo Ci who lived during the Three Kingdoms Period was said to have lived for 300 years.
• In Chinese legend, Peng Zu was believed to have lived for over 800 years[29] during the Yin Dynasty (殷朝, 16th to 11th centuries BC).

Emperors

• Yellow Emperor was said to have lived for 113 years.
• Emperor Yao was said to have lived for 101 years.[30]
• Emperor Shun was said to have lived for 110 years.[31]

Greece[edit]
A book Macrobii ("Long-livers") is a work devoted to longevity. It was attributed to the ancient Greek author Lucian, although it is now accepted that he could not have written it. Most examples given in it are lifespans of 80 to 100 years, but some are much longer:

• Tiresias, the blind seer of Thebes, over 600 years.
• Nestor lived over 300 years.
• Members of the "Seres" over 300 years.

Japan[edit]

A woodblock print of Emperor Jimmu, part of Famous Generals of Japan by Tsukioka Yoshitoshi
Some early emperors of Japan are said to have ruled for more than a century, according to the tradition documented in the Kojiki, viz., Emperor Jimmu and Emperor Kōan.

• Emperor Jimmu (traditionally, 13 February 711 BC – 11 March 585 BC) lived 126 years according to the Kojiki. These dates correspond to 125 years, 339 days, on the proleptic Julian and Gregorian calendars. However, the form of his posthumous name suggests that it was invented in the reign of Kanmu (782–806),[32] or possibly during the time in which legends about the origins of the Yamato dynasty were compiled into the Kojiki.

Korea[edit]

• Taejo of Goguryeo (46/47 – 165) is claimed to have reigned in Korea for 93 years beginning at age 7. After his retirement, the Samguk Sagi and Samguk Yusa give his age at death as 118,[33] while the Book of the Later Han states he died in 121 at age 74.

Persian empire[edit]
The reigns of several shahs in the Shahnameh, an epic poem by Ferdowsi, are given as longer than a century:

• Zahhak, 1,000 years.
• Jamshid, 700 years.
• Fereydun, 500 years.
• Askani, 200 years.
• Kay Kāvus, 150 years.
• Manuchehr, 120 years.
• Lohrasp, 120 years.
• Goshtasp, 120 years.

Ancient Rome[edit]
In Roman times, Pliny wrote about longevity records from the census carried out in 74 AD under Vespasian. In one region of Italy many people allegedly lived past 100; four were said to be 130, others up to 140. The ancient Greek author Lucian is the presumed author of Macrobii (long-livers), a work devoted to longevity. Most of the examples Lucian gives are what would be regarded as normal long lifespans (80–100 years).

• Tiresias, the blind seer of Thebes, was alive for over 600 years (Lucian).
• Nestor lived over 300 years (Lucian).
• According to one tradition, Epimenides of Crete (7th, 6th centuries BC) lived nearly 300 years.[34]

Biblical longevity
Methuselah 969
Jared 962
Noah 950
Adam 930
Seth 912
Kenan 910
Enos 905
Mahalalel 895
Lamech 777
Shem 600
Eber 464
Cainan — 460
Arpachshad 438
Salah 433
Enoch 365
Peleg 239
Reu 239
Serug 230
Job 210?
Terah 205
Isaac 180
Abraham 175
Nahor 148
Jacob 147 147
Esau 147?
Ishmael 137
Levi 137
Amram 137
Kohath 133
Laban 130+
Deborah 130+
Jehoiada 130
Sarah 127
Miriam 125+
Aaron 123
Rebecca 120+
Moses 120
Joseph 110
Joshua 110

 

[Dr. B]

Unfortunately no. White wheat flour is still very toxic. But Peat has said the enzymes will still work in the same way even if the grains are ground up. So you can soak the dough made with white flour for like 12 hours when making bread, or fermenting it to a sour dough, it will be similar to sprouting.

ah good stuff...

I think our modern lifespan of 70-90 years is the result of stress, wrong nutrition, industrial toxins, the medical system, etc..
The ages that some mythological persons reached (around 500 years) are probably realistic in a better environment. Peat mentionend that higher CO2 levels in the past might have contributed to extreme longevity.

Longevity myths - Wikipedia
Ancient extreme longevity claims[edit]
These include claims prior to approximately 150 AD, before the fall of the Roman empire.

China[edit]

• Fu Xi (伏羲) was supposed to have lived for 197 years.[28]
• Lucian wrote about the "Seres" (a Chinese people), claiming they lived for over 300 years.
• Zuo Ci who lived during the Three Kingdoms Period was said to have lived for 300 years.
• In Chinese legend, Peng Zu was believed to have lived for over 800 years[29] during the Yin Dynasty (殷朝, 16th to 11th centuries BC).

Emperors

• Yellow Emperor was said to have lived for 113 years.
• Emperor Yao was said to have lived for 101 years.[30]
• Emperor Shun was said to have lived for 110 years.[31]

Greece[edit]
A book Macrobii ("Long-livers") is a work devoted to longevity. It was attributed to the ancient Greek author Lucian, although it is now accepted that he could not have written it. Most examples given in it are lifespans of 80 to 100 years, but some are much longer:

• Tiresias, the blind seer of Thebes, over 600 years.
• Nestor lived over 300 years.
• Members of the "Seres" over 300 years.

Japan[edit]

A woodblock print of Emperor Jimmu, part of Famous Generals of Japan by Tsukioka Yoshitoshi
Some early emperors of Japan are said to have ruled for more than a century, according to the tradition documented in the Kojiki, viz., Emperor Jimmu and Emperor Kōan.

• Emperor Jimmu (traditionally, 13 February 711 BC – 11 March 585 BC) lived 126 years according to the Kojiki. These dates correspond to 125 years, 339 days, on the proleptic Julian and Gregorian calendars. However, the form of his posthumous name suggests that it was invented in the reign of Kanmu (782–806),[32] or possibly during the time in which legends about the origins of the Yamato dynasty were compiled into the Kojiki.

Korea[edit]

• Taejo of Goguryeo (46/47 – 165) is claimed to have reigned in Korea for 93 years beginning at age 7. After his retirement, the Samguk Sagi and Samguk Yusa give his age at death as 118,[33] while the Book of the Later Han states he died in 121 at age 74.

Persian empire[edit]
The reigns of several shahs in the Shahnameh, an epic poem by Ferdowsi, are given as longer than a century:

• Zahhak, 1,000 years.
• Jamshid, 700 years.
• Fereydun, 500 years.
• Askani, 200 years.
• Kay Kāvus, 150 years.
• Manuchehr, 120 years.
• Lohrasp, 120 years.
• Goshtasp, 120 years.

Ancient Rome[edit]
In Roman times, Pliny wrote about longevity records from the census carried out in 74 AD under Vespasian. In one region of Italy many people allegedly lived past 100; four were said to be 130, others up to 140. The ancient Greek author Lucian is the presumed author of Macrobii (long-livers), a work devoted to longevity. Most of the examples Lucian gives are what would be regarded as normal long lifespans (80–100 years).

• Tiresias, the blind seer of Thebes, was alive for over 600 years (Lucian).
• Nestor lived over 300 years (Lucian).
• According to one tradition, Epimenides of Crete (7th, 6th centuries BC) lived nearly 300 years.[34]

Biblical longevity
Methuselah 969
Jared 962
Noah 950
Adam 930
Seth 912
Kenan 910
Enos 905
Mahalalel 895
Lamech 777
Shem 600
Eber 464
Cainan — 460
Arpachshad 438
Salah 433
Enoch 365
Peleg 239
Reu 239
Serug 230
Job 210?
Terah 205
Isaac 180
Abraham 175
Nahor 148
Jacob 147 147
Esau 147?
Ishmael 137
Levi 137
Amram 137
Kohath 133
Laban 130+
Deborah 130+
Jehoiada 130
Sarah 127
Miriam 125+
Aaron 123
Rebecca 120+
Moses 120
Joseph 110
Joshua 110

good stuff mate thanks for posting, some of those ages are 900 years.

does this mean doing everything we possibly can to increase/retain CO2 is helpful? so, megadosing thiamine hcl regularly, and bag breathing or mask wearing regularly, would help?

have you heard of the story where before the great flood of Noah's time, apparently the oceans were suspended in the skies, which blocked much of the radiation from space, from reaching humans, and that is apparently why after the great flood the lifespan decreased down to under 200 years old, along with much shorter heights, whereas before that time people lived much longer and were much taller?

dont some people, maybe mainstream scientists claim that CO2 levels are rising and are harmful or something?

 

[boris]

dont some people, maybe mainstream scientists claim that CO2 levels are rising and are harmful or something?

It's a fraud. They claim it, but CO2 does not cause global warming, nor are the levels harmful. A Climate Research Unit that supplies the UN's climate change panel with data got hacked in 2009 and it showed how they faked numbers. The topic has been whitewashed in the media, but the about 250MB of leaked emails don't lie, anyone can read them for themselves here, including talk about fudging numbers:
Index of /FOIA

The Telegraph | Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation
"The second and most shocking revelation of the leaked documents is how they show the scientists trying to manipulate data through their tortuous computer programmes, always to point in only the one desired direction – to lower past temperatures and to "adjust" recent temperatures upwards, in order to convey the impression of an accelerated warming. This comes up so often (not least in the documents relating to computer data in the Harry Read Me file) that it becomes the most disturbing single element of the entire story. This is what Mr McIntyre caught Dr Hansen doing with his GISS temperature record last year (after which Hansen was forced to revise his record), and two further shocking examples have now come to light from Australia and New Zealand.
In each of these countries it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based. In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played – to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising. And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU.
What is tragically evident from the Harry Read Me file is the picture it gives of the CRU scientists hopelessly at sea with the complex computer programmes they had devised to contort their data in the approved direction, more than once expressing their own desperation at how difficult it was to get the desired results.
The third shocking revelation of these documents is the ruthless way in which these academics have been determined to silence any expert questioning of the findings they have arrived at by such dubious methods – not just by refusing to disclose their basic data but by discrediting and freezing out any scientific journal which dares to publish their critics' work. It seems they are prepared to stop at nothing to stifle scientific debate in this way, not least by ensuring that no dissenting research should find its way into the pages of IPCC reports."




We are actually moving into an ice age, with a shorter warm period that we are living through now. That's also what I got taught in elementary school, before the CO2 lie began. The ice age begins in about 300 years.

The Coming Ice Age

I posted a few threads on the controversial ideas that the climate change we are seeing is not really global warming but global cooling, with the latter being driven by changes in the Sun's magnetic field. As it turns out, this idea of cyclical Ice Age periods gripping the Earth every 10,000 -...

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[boris]

have you heard of the story where before the great flood of Noah's time, apparently the oceans were suspended in the skies, which blocked much of the radiation from space, from reaching humans, and that is apparently why after the great flood the lifespan decreased down to under 200 years old, along with much shorter heights, whereas before that time people lived much longer and were much taller?

I think it's like Peat says that it has to do with high CO2 levels in the past.

I believe giants could have existed in the past because of lower gravity:

Ancient Civilisations Considered Advanced-AF. Modern Day Health Implications

web.archive.org

 

[Dr. B]

I think it's like Peat says that it has to do with high CO2 levels in the past.

I believe giants could have existed in the past because of lower gravity:

Ancient Civilisations Considered Advanced-AF. Modern Day Health Implications

web.archive.org

what about thiamine megadosing, and bag breathing etc often

im trying to find it
im sure in the last few days there were posts on here, quotes of Peat where he said things about why mole rats live so long, some toad that was stuck for decades in a concrete slab and survived due to the high co2 levels...

 

[boris]

what about thiamine megadosing, and bag breathing etc often

Don't know about thiamine, but bag breathing or anything that increases CO2 helps. I think in one of the latest Danny Roddy interviews Peat has mentionend that it's not equal to living in a high CO2 environment.

 

[Inaut]

Biblical longevity
Methuselah 969
Jared 962
Noah 950
Adam 930
Seth 912
Kenan 910
Enos 905
Mahalalel 895
Lamech 777
Shem 600
Eber 464
Cainan — 460
Arpachshad 438
Salah 433
Enoch 365
Peleg 239
Reu 239
Serug 230
Job 210?
Terah 205
Isaac 180
Abraham 175
Nahor 148
Jacob 147 147
Esau 147?
Ishmael 137
Levi 137
Amram 137
Kohath 133
Laban 130+
Deborah 130+
Jehoiada 130
Sarah 127
Miriam 125+
Aaron 123
Rebecca 120+
Moses 120
Joseph 110
Joshua 110

Interesting post. When you laid it out like that it’s quite obvious we (humans) have been degenerating/devolving over time.

 

[LA]

I think our modern lifespan of 70-90 years is the result of stress, wrong nutrition, industrial toxins, the medical system, etc..
The ages that some mythological persons reached (around 500 years) are probably realistic in a better environment. Peat mentionend that higher CO2 levels in the past might have contributed to extreme longevity.

Longevity myths - Wikipedia
Ancient extreme longevity claims[edit]
These include claims prior to approximately 150 AD, before the fall of the Roman empire.

China[edit]

• Fu Xi (伏羲) was supposed to have lived for 197 years.[28]
• Lucian wrote about the "Seres" (a Chinese people), claiming they lived for over 300 years.
• Zuo Ci who lived during the Three Kingdoms Period was said to have lived for 300 years.
• In Chinese legend, Peng Zu was believed to have lived for over 800 years[29] during the Yin Dynasty (殷朝, 16th to 11th centuries BC).

Emperors

• Yellow Emperor was said to have lived for 113 years.
• Emperor Yao was said to have lived for 101 years.[30]
• Emperor Shun was said to have lived for 110 years.[31]

Greece[edit]
A book Macrobii ("Long-livers") is a work devoted to longevity. It was attributed to the ancient Greek author Lucian, although it is now accepted that he could not have written it. Most examples given in it are lifespans of 80 to 100 years, but some are much longer:

• Tiresias, the blind seer of Thebes, over 600 years.
• Nestor lived over 300 years.
• Members of the "Seres" over 300 years.

Japan[edit]
A woodblock print of Emperor Jimmu, part of Famous Generals of Japan by Tsukioka Yoshitoshi
Some early emperors of Japan are said to have ruled for more than a century, according to the tradition documented in the Kojiki, viz., Emperor Jimmu and Emperor Kōan.

• Emperor Jimmu (traditionally, 13 February 711 BC – 11 March 585 BC) lived 126 years according to the Kojiki. These dates correspond to 125 years, 339 days, on the proleptic Julian and Gregorian calendars. However, the form of his posthumous name suggests that it was invented in the reign of Kanmu (782–806),[32] or possibly during the time in which legends about the origins of the Yamato dynasty were compiled into the Kojiki.

Korea[edit]

• Taejo of Goguryeo (46/47 – 165) is claimed to have reigned in Korea for 93 years beginning at age 7. After his retirement, the Samguk Sagi and Samguk Yusa give his age at death as 118,[33] while the Book of the Later Han states he died in 121 at age 74.

Persian empire[edit]
The reigns of several shahs in the Shahnameh, an epic poem by Ferdowsi, are given as longer than a century:

• Zahhak, 1,000 years.
• Jamshid, 700 years.
• Fereydun, 500 years.
• Askani, 200 years.
• Kay Kāvus, 150 years.
• Manuchehr, 120 years.
• Lohrasp, 120 years.
• Goshtasp, 120 years.

Ancient Rome[edit]
In Roman times, Pliny wrote about longevity records from the census carried out in 74 AD under Vespasian. In one region of Italy many people allegedly lived past 100; four were said to be 130, others up to 140. The ancient Greek author Lucian is the presumed author of Macrobii (long-livers), a work devoted to longevity. Most of the examples Lucian gives are what would be regarded as normal long lifespans (80–100 years).

• Tiresias, the blind seer of Thebes, was alive for over 600 years (Lucian).
• Nestor lived over 300 years (Lucian).
• According to one tradition, Epimenides of Crete (7th, 6th centuries BC) lived nearly 300 years.[34]

Biblical longevity
Methuselah 969
Jared 962
Noah 950
Adam 930
Seth 912
Kenan 910
Enos 905
Mahalalel 895
Lamech 777
Shem 600
Eber 464
Cainan — 460
Arpachshad 438
Salah 433
Enoch 365
Peleg 239
Reu 239
Serug 230
Job 210?
Terah 205
Isaac 180
Abraham 175
Nahor 148
Jacob 147 147
Esau 147?
Ishmael 137
Levi 137
Amram 137
Kohath 133
Laban 130+
Deborah 130+
Jehoiada 130
Sarah 127
Miriam 125+
Aaron 123
Rebecca 120+
Moses 120
Joseph 110
Joshua 110

Thank you for posting a good summary of possible human longevity, which could be real. There is a Chinese Emperor who researched herbs by testing them on himself. Supposedly he ate something that poisoned him so he died when he was 250 years. I didn’t recognize his name in that list. I hope to find my old notes.

I am a big fan of the stories about the Comte De St. Germain. Some believe that he still might be alive. Think of this - if you had an exceptionally long lifespan would you want that information spread around and made public? Due to over exposure many well-known people die too young now. Perhaps, right now, we have some people who are well over 200yrs and they are able to avoid exposure.

We can see what happened to the Maasai people. As soon as it was known that they, as a group not simply one person, were living longer and appeared to be healthier than most people, outsiders arrived to poke at them. They were moved out of their traditional habitat with the result that those life-style changes were very uncomfortable and disorienting due to being forced upon them rather than a natural 'organic' process of their own choosing.