Luc Montagnier - The French Ray Peat

burtlancast

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Just prove Duesberg is wrong. You have the entirety of the Federal US Government (and literally billions upon billions of dollars) to back you up. Should be easy. So do it.

Just prove Duesberg isn't working hand in hand with the pharma industry and the administrations to deflect the blame over failing implementing standard measures of epidemic confinement, and instead treating the AIDS disease merely as a cultural problem, allowing it to spread unchecked through the whole world.

If what Duesberg claims is true, then the governments have no responsibility into the catastrophe they willingly and purposely allowed to happen.

You have the entirety of the Federal US Government (and literally billions upon billions of dollars) to back you up. Should be easy. So do it.
 
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Hard to understand burtlancast when his comments are so full of sarcasm. I can't even understand what he claims his view is... Duesberg is working for big pharma as a controlled opposition to the truth - which is really that HIV is dangerous? Mental...

The transfusions and the reasons they needed transfusions is why their immune systems were compromised... Not some mystical retrovirus.
 

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Just prove Duesberg isn't working hand in hand with the pharma industry and the administrations to deflect the blame over failing implementing standard measures of epidemic confinement, and instead treating the AIDS disease merely as a cultural problem, allowing it to spread unchecked through the whole world.

You can't prove a negative, just like I can't prove there isn't a Purple Snake on Jupiter broadcasting a radio station playing nothing but 70's Disco music. But it's very unlikely.

All Duesberg's funding was cut by the NIH long ago.

Where, exactly, is Duesberg providing "cover" for the pharma industry? Not on mainstream news outlets like CNN, MSNBC, or Fox. Not in major newpapers like the New York Times. Not in general entertainment media. Not in PSA campaigns that feature "Moments In Love" by The Art of Noise.


Did you catch who took credit for that PSA at the 59 second mark?

Nor in major medical journals.

He's basically been limited to talking with independent journalists and documentary makers. And giving interviews to small papers like the New York Native-

Interview with Prof. Peter Duesberg - Immunity Resource Foundation

I don't know how NOT getting paid and being BANNED from mass media and medical journals is a way to "work hand in hand" with the pharma industry, or Federal Government.

You have the entirety of the Federal US Government (and literally billions upon billions of dollars) to back you up. Should be easy. So do it.

I don't know where you have been since the mid-80's, but the US Federal Government's stance is that HIV causes AIDS for about 35 years now. Which is basically the exact opposite of Duesberg's claim.
 
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The transfusions and the reasons they needed transfusions is why their immune systems were compromised... Not some mystical retrovirus.

Hemophilia by itself doesn't cause immunosupression.

Hemophiliacs not contaminated with hepatitis or AIDS have an almost identical lifespan than normal people, i've provided the link.

Which would be absolutely impossible with a compromised immune system, as you people claim.

The 15-20% with an aggravated disease have only 3 years less survival (71 years vs 74 years) than the ones with no immune reaction to the treatment.

Magistrates and doctors are absolutely able to determine if a hemophiliac has died from a hemorrhagic incident or from an opportunist infection caused by immuno suppression: they have ruled the latter during the French contaminated blood scandal, and sent the responsables to jail.

Thus this 15-20% number absolutely cannot explain the hecatombe of deaths in the hemophiliac community following their AIDS contamination.

Individuals like you will grasp at absolutely every possible, minute straw to deny the evidence pointing in an absolutely definitive manner AIDS is a transmissible infectious disease.

So, until you folks wise up and stop being asinine, i believe sarcasm is certainly an appropriate tool .
 
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Waynish

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Hemophilia by itself doesn't cause immunosupression.

Hemophiliacs not contaminated with hepatitis or AIDS have an almost identical lifespan than normal people, i've provided the link.

Which would be absolutely impossible with a compromised immune system, as you people claim.

The 15-20% with an aggravated disease have only 3 years less survival (71 years vs 74 years) than the ones with no immune reaction to the treatment.

Magistrates and doctors are absolutely able to determine if a hemophiliac has died from a hemorrhagic incident or from an opportunist infection caused by immuno suppression: they have ruled the latter during the French contaminated blood scandal, and sent the responsables to jail.

Thus this 15-20% number absolutely cannot explain the hecatombe of deaths in the hemophiliac community following their AIDS contamination.

Individuals like you will grasp at absolutely every possible, minute straw to deny the evidence pointing in an absolutely definitive manner AIDS is a transmissible infectious disease.

So, until you folks wise up and stop being asinine, i believe sarcasm is certainly an appropriate tool .

Always so self righteous... It doesn't help your argumentation. The evidence that HIV has nothing to do with AIDS is overwhelming and it is no use wasting my time to force you to look at it. The evidence that the ~29 "AIDS defining illnesses" have nothing to do with each other and are just a reclassification is also overwhelming. Even at the most superficial level: the CDC, WHO, and other organizations all having different definitions that would allow you to be HIV+ in the US and negative if you go to another country - is above and beyond what your mental gymnastics can catapult you over.
 

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Always so self righteous... It doesn't help your argumentation. The evidence that HIV has nothing to do with AIDS is overwhelming and it is no use wasting my time to force you to look at it. The evidence that the ~29 "AIDS defining illnesses" have nothing to do with each other and are just a reclassification is also overwhelming. Even at the most superficial level: the CDC, WHO, and other organizations all having different definitions that would allow you to be HIV+ in the US and negative if you go to another country - is above and beyond what your mental gymnastics can catapult you over.

Right? The 1993 CDC Classification (1993 Revised Classification System for HIV Infection and Expanded Surveillance Case Definition for AIDS Among Adolescents and Adults) includes the following-

  • Bacillary angiomatosis

  • Candidiasis, oropharyngeal (thrush)

  • Candidiasis, vulvovaginal; persistent, frequent, or poorly responsive to therapy

  • Cervical dysplasia (moderate or severe)/cervical carcinoma in situ

  • Constitutional symptoms, such as fever (38.5 C) or diarrhea lasting greater than 1 month

  • Hairy leukoplakia, oral

  • Herpes zoster (shingles), involving at least two distinct episodes or more than one dermatome

  • Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura

  • Listeriosis

  • Pelvic inflammatory disease, particularly if complicated by tubo-ovarian abscess

  • Peripheral neuropathy

  • Candidiasis of bronchi, trachea, or lungs

    • Candidiasis, esophageal

    • Cervical cancer, invasive *

    • Coccidioidomycosis, disseminated or extrapulmonary

    • Cryptococcosis, extrapulmonary

    • Cryptosporidiosis, chronic intestinal (greater than 1 month's duration)

    • Cytomegalovirus disease (other than liver, spleen, or nodes)

    • Cytomegalovirus retinitis (with loss of vision)

    • Encephalopathy, HIV-related

    • Herpes simplex: chronic ulcer(s) (greater than 1 month's duration); or bronchitis, pneumonitis, or esophagitis

    • Histoplasmosis, disseminated or extrapulmonary

    • Isosporiasis, chronic intestinal (greater than 1 month's duration)

    • Kaposi's sarcoma

    • Lymphoma, Burkitt's (or equivalent term)

    • Lymphoma, immunoblastic (or equivalent term)

    • Lymphoma, primary, of brain

    • Mycobacterium avium complex or M. kansasii, disseminated or extrapulmonary

    • Mycobacterium tuberculosis, any site (pulmonary * or extrapulmonary)

    • Mycobacterium, other species or unidentified species, disseminated or extrapulmonary

    • Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia

    • Pneumonia, recurrent *

    • Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy

    • Salmonella septicemia, recurrent

    • Toxoplasmosis of brain

    • Wasting syndrome due to HIV
 

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