Low Socioeconomic Status Affects Life Expectancy More Than Obesity

haidut

Member
Joined
Mar 18, 2013
Messages
17,431
Location
USA / Europe
I think the "war on obesity" we are seeing currently, while well-intentioned, may be a bit misplaced as obesity itself has now been tied to low socioeconomic status. This study has now found that that low status is more important for your overall life expectancy than how much you weigh. Given the effects of stress on thyroid function, the findings are not surprising. Low socioeconomic status has also been shown to suppress immune function, lower testosterone, increase serotonin, lower dopamine, and of course raise the deadly cortisol. So, the proposal is now for low status to be treated as a disease risk biomarker and not simply as a triviality of life.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)32380-7/fulltext
Low Socioeconomic Status Affects Life Expectancy More Than Obesity

"...A low socioeconomic status is so damaging to health, it reduces life expectancy by 2.1 years. That's worse than obesity or high blood pressure and a consortium of global researchers are calling for it to be treated like any other major health risk factor. The global study included data from 40,000 Melbournians courtesy of Cancer Council Victoria as well as studies from the UK, France, Switzerland, Portugal, Italy and the USA. In these countries, researchers showed a low socioeconomic status was a major risk factor in ill health and premature death, but was rarely recognised in official health policy."
 

haidut

Member
Thread starter
Joined
Mar 18, 2013
Messages
17,431
Location
USA / Europe
Telling. It is like this one that came out recently as well:

Most remaining smokers in US have low socioeconomic status
Disparities among smokers widening as most vulnerable find it hardest to quit

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/03/170324104933.htm

Does not surprise me. Smoking and coffee keep the metabolic rate high and protect from some of the stress. If you go to poor countries, many people (even children) smoke and drink a lot of coffee or tea.
 

Regina

Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2016
Messages
3,183
Location
Chicago
I think the "war on obesity" we are seeing currently, while well-intentioned, may be a bit misplaced as obesity itself has now been tied to low socioeconomic status. This study has now found that that low status is more important for your overall life expectancy than how much you weigh. Given the effects of stress on thyroid function, the findings are not surprising. Low socioeconomic status has also been shown to suppress immune function, lower testosterone, increase serotonin, lower dopamine, and of course raise the deadly cortisol. So, the proposal is now for low status to be treated as a disease risk biomarker and not simply as a triviality of life.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)32380-7/fulltext
Low Socioeconomic Status Affects Life Expectancy More Than Obesity

"...A low socioeconomic status is so damaging to health, it reduces life expectancy by 2.1 years. That's worse than obesity or high blood pressure and a consortium of global researchers are calling for it to be treated like any other major health risk factor. The global study included data from 40,000 Melbournians courtesy of Cancer Council Victoria as well as studies from the UK, France, Switzerland, Portugal, Italy and the USA. In these countries, researchers showed a low socioeconomic status was a major risk factor in ill health and premature death, but was rarely recognised in official health policy."
The cluster of findings: low t, high serotonin, high cortisol may also explain the "cultural" psychopathology.
We've all heard about the lack empathy with psychopaths and the self-referential narcissist. Have you run across any studies linking the capacity/incapacity for remorse with serotonin? What conditions are necessary to have remorse?
 

haidut

Member
Thread starter
Joined
Mar 18, 2013
Messages
17,431
Location
USA / Europe
The cluster of findings: low t, high serotonin, high cortisol may also explain the "cultural" psychopathology.
We've all heard about the lack empathy with psychopaths and the self-referential narcissist. Have you run across any studies linking the capacity/incapacity for remorse with serotonin? What conditions are necessary to have remorse?

Of course, even the Wikipedia page on psychopathy mentions the high serotonin connection.
Psychopathy - Wikipedia
"...However, some studies on animal and human subjects have suggested that the emotional-interpersonal traits and predatory aggression of psychopathy, in contrast to impulsive and reactive aggression, is related to increased serotoninergic functioning.[116][117][118][119]A study by Dolan and Anderson on the relationship between setotonin and psychopathic traits in a sample of personality disordered offenders, found that serotonin functioning as measured by prolactin response, while inversely associated with impulsive and antisocial traits, were positively correlated with arrogant and deceitful traits, and, to a lesser extent, callous and remorseless traits.[120] Bariş Yildirim theorizes that the 5-HTTLPR "long" allele, which is generally regarded as protective against internalizing disorders, may interact with other serotoninergic genes to create a hyper-regulation and dampening of affective processes that results in psychopathy's emotional impairments.[121] Furthermore, the combination of the 5-HTTLPR long allele and high testosterone levels has been found to result in a reduced response to threat as measured by cortisol reactivity, which mirrors the fear deficits found in those afflicted with psychopathy.[122]"
 

zztr

Member
Joined
Nov 2, 2016
Messages
295
This actually just says having a crappy job is bad for you. Which I think most people kind of already know on some level.
 

Drareg

Member
Joined
Feb 18, 2016
Messages
2,940
Of course, even the Wikipedia page on psychopathy mentions the high serotonin connection.
Psychopathy - Wikipedia
"...However, some studies on animal and human subjects have suggested that the emotional-interpersonal traits and predatory aggression of psychopathy, in contrast to impulsive and reactive aggression, is related to increased serotoninergic functioning.[116][117][118][119]A study by Dolan and Anderson on the relationship between setotonin and psychopathic traits in a sample of personality disordered offenders, found that serotonin functioning as measured by prolactin response, while inversely associated with impulsive and antisocial traits, were positively correlated with arrogant and deceitful traits, and, to a lesser extent, callous and remorseless traits.[120] Bariş Yildirim theorizes that the 5-HTTLPR "long" allele, which is generally regarded as protective against internalizing disorders, may interact with other serotoninergic genes to create a hyper-regulation and dampening of affective processes that results in psychopathy's emotional impairments.[121] Furthermore, the combination of the 5-HTTLPR long allele and high testosterone levels has been found to result in a reduced response to threat as measured by cortisol reactivity, which mirrors the fear deficits found in those afflicted with psychopathy.[122]"

This is worrying,as much as they say every generation has claims of doomsday and we are the worse etc,these traits of arrogance,deceitful,callous and remorseful are big business and success slogans of today.
 

Regina

Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2016
Messages
3,183
Location
Chicago
Of course, even the Wikipedia page on psychopathy mentions the high serotonin connection.
Psychopathy - Wikipedia
"...However, some studies on animal and human subjects have suggested that the emotional-interpersonal traits and predatory aggression of psychopathy, in contrast to impulsive and reactive aggression, is related to increased serotoninergic functioning.[116][117][118][119]A study by Dolan and Anderson on the relationship between setotonin and psychopathic traits in a sample of personality disordered offenders, found that serotonin functioning as measured by prolactin response, while inversely associated with impulsive and antisocial traits, were positively correlated with arrogant and deceitful traits, and, to a lesser extent, callous and remorseless traits.[120] Bariş Yildirim theorizes that the 5-HTTLPR "long" allele, which is generally regarded as protective against internalizing disorders, may interact with other serotoninergic genes to create a hyper-regulation and dampening of affective processes that results in psychopathy's emotional impairments.[121] Furthermore, the combination of the 5-HTTLPR long allele and high testosterone levels has been found to result in a reduced response to threat as measured by cortisol reactivity, which mirrors the fear deficits found in those afflicted with psychopathy.[122]"
Wow! :nailbiting:
Thank you.
 

kyle

Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2016
Messages
341
You can be poor and happy if you have strong family/community bonds.

The lower/middle class have been subjected to a continuous stream of social engineering to break those down though.
 

zztr

Member
Joined
Nov 2, 2016
Messages
295
They use "socioeconomic status" in the title because that terminology is catnip for psuedo-marxists who cite this stuff. If you look at the actual paper all it says is having a shitty job is bad for you. Being a day laborer or clerk sucks. It's kind of stating the obvious, not really providing a jumping off point to talk about family and friends.

The policy take-away would have to be that driving up wages at the low end would be a good idea. Like, for example, shutting down immigration.
 
Similar threads
Thread starter Title Forum Replies Date
Lokzo Low prolactin levels are associated with visceral adipocyte hypertrophy and insulin resistance in humans - PUBMED 2020 Scientific Studies 6
Mauritio Autism caused by low allopregnenolone , chinese herb can treat Autism 26
V HPA Dysfunction ( Low Dhea-s) Former Anabolics User ( Bloodwork Included) Ask For Help or Advice 4
Jam Applying Peat Principles To Low-Carb High-Saturated Fat: Incredible Results Discussing Dietary Models 20
Twohandsondeck Low body temperature + death in the Bible (1 Kings 1:1) Meditation, Mindfullness, Religion, Spirituality 11
M Low carb high fat (pre T3) VS high carb low fat (taking 3 drops of tyronene upon waking) Logs 7
S Low dose aspirin to treat inflamation induced insulin resisitance? Blood Sugar 1
R Low-dose copper with glycine and proline or gelatin for collagen? Ask For Help or Advice 2
TacoVampire Blood work/ endo/ fatigue / low iron Blood Work, Labs 5
H low stomach acid and low libido issues Digestion 10
M New phone coming this spring with super low sar value Radiation 0
W High DHEA but low testosterone? Blood Work, Labs 3
G Should fructose be minimized if one already has low ATP? Metabolism 12
Frankdee20 Low Fat versus Low Carb for Weight Loss ? Diet 49
P best e ink display? low emf and easy on the eyes. Eyes, Ears, Nose and Headaches/Migraines 8
T Low CO2 being my issue??? Male Issues 6
GelatinGoblin Low-Moderate sugar meal with no Protein, Serotonin inducing? Ask For Help or Advice 5
F ""Low Serum AM Cortisol The Cause Of My Problems?"" Doubts About Milk 68
paciencia Low Stomach Acid/Bloating/Silent Reflux Ask For Help or Advice 7
J Thought on Iodine - Low heart rate Metabolism 1
I 2004 patent for low PUFA eggs Dairy, Eggs 24
F Low confidence Mental Issues 2
S Raising cortisol while on low carb Cortisol, Serotonin, Histamine 4
haidut Heart attack survivors have high stress (cortisol/adrenaline) hypersensitivity, low androgens Scientific Studies 2
haidut Low energy production (glucose metabolism) may cause andropause Scientific Studies 0
M High testosterone low libido Diet 23
G Very low androgens but no sexual issues Sexuality 13
M Supplement Calcium when PTH is low? Calcium 8
G Any ideas on how to boost chronic low red blood count? Ask For Help or Advice 8
P feeling much better on a very low calorie diet Diet 23
A Low Body Temperature Ask For Help or Advice 0
Bogdar Low PTH, Low D, High Calcium - How Is It Possible? Blood Work, Labs 13
M Restore Low T3 And Low T Thyroid and Hormones 3
IVILA Feeling Really Lazy, Low Libido, And Tired Lately. Need Help Male Issues 5
David PS Low Ambient Humidity Impairs Barrier Function And Innate Resistance Against Influenza Infection Articles & Scientific Studies 0
Starship Is It Possible To Keep Metabolism High And MTOR Low? Metabolism 2
U What's Worse High Fat No Starch Or Low Fat Higher Starch? Diet 14
J Fat And "LOW" Estrogen/low Libido After Andro/pansterone/VitE Ask For Help or Advice 28
Hgreen56 If Joint Pain Is Caused By Low Estrogen, How To Solve This Problem Eyes, Ears, Nose and Headaches/Migraines 6
Highserotonin90 Low Pyruvate Level ? Metabolism 10
S The Key To Low Body-fat, Regardless Of Diet/Exercise? Diet 28
bzmazu Low Cholesterol Predisposes To Infectious Diseases Cholesterol 0
haidut Low, Not High, Metabolism Creates Oxidative Stress Scientific Studies 6
J The Low-Fat Era - A Big Fat Lie? Diet 5
B Crickets Fed Low Dose Aspirin Live 143% Longer, Have Longer Childhoods And Higher Metabolic Rates Scientific Studies 7
D High Pulse, Low Morning Temperature Ask For Help or Advice 33
Korven German Doctor Treats MS With Low PUFA Diet (Stops Disease In 84% Of Patients) Cancer, Degenerative Diseases 25
GorillaHead Low Dose Progesterone And Side Effects? Thyroid and Hormones 18
Sscobalt High Carb Moderate Protein Low Fat? Diet 37
F Can Thyroid Supplementation Lower Already Low Cortisol? Cortisol, Serotonin, Histamine 2

Similar threads

Top