Low Dose T Gel On Scrotum And Supression

[vulture]

hi all

Maybe some of you already know my thread strength and libido quest and that I love to experiment and see numbers on these things.
Few weeks ago I received a kind gift from our dear @Blossom : it was some T3 tablets and some T gel packs. I didn’t use them for more than a month because I wanted to get things right: right now I’m waiting for labs, I asked for T, LH, FSH, Cholesterol and some other common tests.

This week I will have the pre experiment values, now I started a protocol with: 5 mg of scrotally administered T divided in three dosages: AM, M and PM.
I decided using just 5 mg because supressed subjects seemed to get good results from 12.5 mg, and according last bloodtests I’m not supressed, also, People here seems to talk a lot of micro dosing T, so, let’s see the facts.

First thing I have to assure you: burns like hell, and dries pretty fast. I apply 0.3 mg at scrotum and with the same scrotum I spread it all over to avoid wasting it in my fingers.

Will be reporting soon.

BTW, didn’t ask for DHT or PRL because it was kinda expensive.
@haidut @Frankdee20 @RisingSun
BTW, I wont keep this experiment further than a month, seems like increasing my T is not my priority right now...lol would be really interesting to test for DHT now.
Subjectives so far: despite sometimes I haven't slept so good, seems like in the morning I don't feel so bad as I would without it...but still subtle. Also, no relevant libido-mood things to report so far.

BEFORE SCROTAL T GEL SUPPLEMENTATION

Text:

Test Result Ref Range

Total Testosterone 987 ng/dL Mens (>25 yo) 300-1200
LH 10.51 mUI/mL Mens until 70 yo 1.0 - 34.6
FSH 4.52 mUI/mL 1.3 - 18.1

Urine
Physicochemical Apparence Transparent Transparent
PH 5.0 5.0 - 8.0
Colour Yellow Yellow
Density 1.020 1.000 - 1.030
Proteins Negative Negative
Glucose Negative Negative
Cetonic Bodies Negative Negative
Hemoglobin Negative Negative
Urobilinogen Negative Normal
Bilirubin Negative Negative
Nitrites Negative Negative

Microscopic Analysis

ERYTHROCYTES 0-2 by field
LEUKOCYTES 0-2 by field
PIOCITS Not observed
PUS PLATES Not observed
BACTERIA scarce
Crystals Not observed
CYLINDERS Not observed
EPITHELIAL CELLS scarce

Urine culture Negative after 48 hrs incubation


ERYTHROCYTE Count 5.7 x10^6/mm3 4.2 - 6.3
Hemoglobin 17.3 G/DL 14.0-17.0 * Blood seemed dark red
HEMATOCRIT 51.1 % 42 - 50
V.C.M 89.6 FL 79.7 - 97.0
H.C.M 30.4 PG 25.7 - 32.5
H.C.M 30.4 PG 25.7 - 32.5
WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT 3.5 X 10^3/MM3 4.0 - 10.5
DIFFERENTIAL FORMULA
BASOPHILS 0 % 0 - 1
EOSINOPHILES 2 % 2 - 4
MYELOCYTES 0 % 0
"Juveniles" 0 % 0 - 1
BACILIPHORMES 0 % 3 - 5
SEGMENTED 58 % 40 - 70
LYMPHOCYTES 35 % 20 - 45
MONOCYTES 5 % 4 - 8

TOTAL FORMULA 100 %
PLATELET COUNT 283 X10^3/MM3 150 - 400
VHS 3 MM/HRS UP TO 10
ABS. NEUTROPHILE COUNT 2030 X MM3 2000 - 6800
ERYTHROCYTAL MORPHOLOGY NORMAL ON FROTIS
LEUKOCYTARIAN MORPHOLOGY NORMAL ON FROTIS
PLATELET MORPHOLOGY NORMAL ON FROTIS

TOTAL CHOLESTEROL 220 MG/DL UNTIL 200
TRIGLYCERIDES 67 MG/DL NORMAL < 150
HIGH LIMIT 150 - 199
HIGH 200 - 499
VERY HIHG >= 500
HDL CHOLESTEROL 50 MG/DL 40 - 60
LDL CHOLESTEROL 157 MG/DL UNTIL 130
VLDL CHOLESTEROL 13 MG/DL UNTIL 36
RELATIONSHIP COL/HDL 4.4

DIRECT BILIRUBIN 0.28 MG/DL UNTIL 0.25
INDIRECT BILIRUBIN 0.79 MG/DL UNTIL 0.75
TOTAL BILIRUBIN 1.07 MG/DL 0.0 - 1.00
GOT/AST 18 U/L UNTIL 40
GPT/ALT 18 U/L UNTIL 40
GGT 20 U/L 0 - 39.0
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 64 U/L 45 - 115
% PROTROMBIN ACTIVITY 87.0 % 70 - 100

CALCIUM 10.6 MG/DL 8.5 - 10.5
PHOSPHORUS 3.3 MG/DL 2.5 - 4.5
BASAL GLYCEMIA 83 MG/DL 70 - 100
UREMIA 0.37 G/L 0.10 - 0.45
URIC ACID 5.5 MG/DL 3.6 - 8.5
TOTAL PROTEINS 7.9 G/DL 6.1 - 8.0
ALBUMIN 5.0 G/DL 3.2 - 5.0
TOTAL BILIRUBIN 1.07 MG/DL 0.0 - 1.00
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 64 U/L 45 - 115
LACTIC DEHYDROGENASE (LDH) 166 U/L 135 - 225
GOT/AST 18 U/L UNTIL 40

Hepatitis B, C, VDRL NEGATIVE

 

[haidut]

hi all

Maybe some of you already know my thread strength and libido quest and that I love to experiment and see numbers on these things.
Few weeks ago I received a kind gift from our dear @Blossom : it was some T3 tablets and some T gel packs. I didn’t use them for more than a month because I wanted to get things right: right now I’m waiting for labs, I asked for T, LH, FSH, Cholesterol and some other common tests.

This week I will have the pre experiment values, now I started a protocol with: 5 mg of scrotally administered T divided in three dosages: AM, M and PM.
I decided using just 5 mg because supressed subjects seemed to get good results from 12.5 mg, and according last bloodtests I’m not supressed, also, People here seems to talk a lot of micro dosing T, so, let’s see the facts.

First thing I have to assure you: burns like hell, and dries pretty fast. I apply 0.3 mg at scrotum and with the same scrotum I spread it all over to avoid wasting it in my fingers.

Will be reporting soon.

BTW, didn’t ask for DHT or PRL because it was kinda expensive.
@haidut @Frankdee20 @RisingSun

Given that T metabolizes into E2 and DHT, then how are you going track which pathway it takes in your case without DHT or at the very least a prolactin test? I mean, LH/FSH are probably less important than DHT, prolactin since it is known that T administration will suppress LH/FSH and testing them will give you little value for the money.

 

[RisingSun]

Given that T metabolizes into E2 and DHT, then how are you going track which pathway it takes in your case without DHT or at the very least a prolactin test? I mean, LH/FSH are probably less important than DHT, prolactin since it is known that T administration will suppress LH/FSH and testing them will give you little value for the money.

Very correct

 

[vulture]

Pharmacokinetics of testosterone cream applied to scrotal skin. - PubMed - NCBI

Serum estradiol was not a concern on higher doses. I’m low on fat, my main concern is if such small dosages supress via LH/FSH. Study was performed on supressed individuals.
Also curious in how it feels and affects several things.

Prolactin is interesting since is not as expensive as DHT. I also could get DHT/PRL post experiment, I should be wary on bloodtests according they way I’m getting them.

 

[vulture]

btw, I hope no one finds it rude, not the point, but I could perform DHT test (or any other) if anyone is willing to pay it, is not so interesting for me for above reasons, but I could give anyone a bitcoin account with escrow and release tests (I will erase my name or willing just to show originals to moderator in order to check them to see it’s valid)

 

[Wolf]

Good luck! Look forward to the results.

 

[sebastian_r]

Testosterone gel contains alcohol, which should be responsible for the burn.

In the TRT community, they use Testosterone cream instead of gel for this reason.

I'm currently applying the normal test prop oil to the scrotum (2x10mg/day), which works surprisingly well for me. Have the same feeling as when taking masteron. I w0uld guess higher DHT conversion, low estradiol conversion.

Could never make TRT work really well for me, this is the first time I get great results.

 

[vulture]

Testosterone gel contains alcohol, which should be responsible for the burn.

In the TRT community, they use Testosterone cream instead of gel for this reason.

I'm currently applying the normal test prop oil to the scrotum (2x10mg/day), which works surprisingly well for me. Have the same feeling as when taking masteron. I w0uld guess higher DHT conversion, low estradiol conversion.

Could never make TRT work really well for me, this is the first time I get great results.

How do you feel sexually? Strength?

 

[sebastian_r]

Sex drive is great, erections are rockhard.

Strenght feels lower than with Testo injections, comparable to when I take Testo + AI.

Think I'm rather on the lower end of estradiol with the transdermal Testo (increased DHT conversion probably working as aromatase inhibitor here).

 

[Scenes]

Testosterone gel contains alcohol, which should be responsible for the burn.

In the TRT community, they use Testosterone cream instead of gel for this reason.

I'm currently applying the normal test prop oil to the scrotum (2x10mg/day), which works surprisingly well for me. Have the same feeling as when taking masteron. I w0uld guess higher DHT conversion, low estradiol conversion.

Could never make TRT work really well for me, this is the first time I get great results.

Isn’t that oil full of pufa? You just rubbing it in by itself?

 

[sebastian_r]

Isn’t that oil full of pufa? You just rubbing it in by itself?

For now just rubbing it in as it is, in future I want to test making a cream with testosterone suspension.
I'm not worring about the PUFA, it's less than 0.2gram/day

 

[1kT]

I'm currently applying the normal test prop oil to the scrotum (2x10mg/day), which works surprisingly well for me.

Test prop that's used for injections?

How do you measure that small amount (10mg)?

 

[sebastian_r]

Test prop that's used for injections?

How do you measure that small amount (10mg)?

I use U-100 30g Insulin Needles for measurement and to get the testosterone out of the vial. (https://www.amazon.com/U-100-30g-In...F8&qid=1549523379&sr=8-4&keywords=30g+insulin)
1ML = 100mg testosterone, so I use 0.1ml which is 10 units on the insulin needle.

 

[1kT]

I use U-100 30g Insulin Needles for measurement and to get the testosterone out of the vial. (https://www.amazon.com/U-100-30g-In...F8&qid=1549523379&sr=8-4&keywords=30g+insulin)
1ML = 100mg testosterone, so I use 0.1ml which is 10 units on the insulin needle.

Cool. Might give it a go.

 

[vulture]

Attatchments: blood tests in PDF and as an image.
@Blossom could you edit first post with this info? so the ones that see it wont need to scroll until labs. Same thing after the labs AFTER T usage.

BTW, I wont keep this experiment further than a month, seems like increasing my T is not my priority right now...lol would be really interesting to test for DHT now.
Subjectives so far: despite sometimes I haven't slept so good, seems like in the morning I don't feel so bad as I would without it...but still subtle. Also, no relevant libido-mood things to report so far.

BEFORE SCROTAL T GEL SUPPLEMENTATION

Text:

Test Result Ref Range

Total Testosterone 987 ng/dL Mens (>25 yo) 300-1200
LH 10.51 mUI/mL Mens until 70 yo 1.0 - 34.6
FSH 4.52 mUI/mL 1.3 - 18.1

Urine
Physicochemical Apparence Transparent Transparent
PH 5.0 5.0 - 8.0
Colour Yellow Yellow
Density 1.020 1.000 - 1.030
Proteins Negative Negative
Glucose Negative Negative
Cetonic Bodies Negative Negative
Hemoglobin Negative Negative
Urobilinogen Negative Normal
Bilirubin Negative Negative
Nitrites Negative Negative

Microscopic Analysis

ERYTHROCYTES 0-2 by field
LEUKOCYTES 0-2 by field
PIOCITS Not observed
PUS PLATES Not observed
BACTERIA scarce
Crystals Not observed
CYLINDERS Not observed
EPITHELIAL CELLS scarce

Urine culture Negative after 48 hrs incubation


ERYTHROCYTE Count 5.7 x10^6/mm3 4.2 - 6.3
Hemoglobin 17.3 G/DL 14.0-17.0 * Blood seemed dark red
HEMATOCRIT 51.1 % 42 - 50
V.C.M 89.6 FL 79.7 - 97.0
H.C.M 30.4 PG 25.7 - 32.5
H.C.M 30.4 PG 25.7 - 32.5
WHITE BLOOD CELL COUNT 3.5 X 10^3/MM3 4.0 - 10.5
DIFFERENTIAL FORMULA
BASOPHILS 0 % 0 - 1
EOSINOPHILES 2 % 2 - 4
MYELOCYTES 0 % 0
"Juveniles" 0 % 0 - 1
BACILIPHORMES 0 % 3 - 5
SEGMENTED 58 % 40 - 70
LYMPHOCYTES 35 % 20 - 45
MONOCYTES 5 % 4 - 8

TOTAL FORMULA 100 %
PLATELET COUNT 283 X10^3/MM3 150 - 400
VHS 3 MM/HRS UP TO 10
ABS. NEUTROPHILE COUNT 2030 X MM3 2000 - 6800
ERYTHROCYTAL MORPHOLOGY NORMAL ON FROTIS
LEUKOCYTARIAN MORPHOLOGY NORMAL ON FROTIS
PLATELET MORPHOLOGY NORMAL ON FROTIS

TOTAL CHOLESTEROL 220 MG/DL UNTIL 200
TRIGLYCERIDES 67 MG/DL NORMAL < 150
HIGH LIMIT 150 - 199
HIGH 200 - 499
VERY HIHG >= 500
HDL CHOLESTEROL 50 MG/DL 40 - 60
LDL CHOLESTEROL 157 MG/DL UNTIL 130
VLDL CHOLESTEROL 13 MG/DL UNTIL 36
RELATIONSHIP COL/HDL 4.4

DIRECT BILIRUBIN 0.28 MG/DL UNTIL 0.25
INDIRECT BILIRUBIN 0.79 MG/DL UNTIL 0.75
TOTAL BILIRUBIN 1.07 MG/DL 0.0 - 1.00
GOT/AST 18 U/L UNTIL 40
GPT/ALT 18 U/L UNTIL 40
GGT 20 U/L 0 - 39.0
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 64 U/L 45 - 115
% PROTROMBIN ACTIVITY 87.0 % 70 - 100

CALCIUM 10.6 MG/DL 8.5 - 10.5
PHOSPHORUS 3.3 MG/DL 2.5 - 4.5
BASAL GLYCEMIA 83 MG/DL 70 - 100
UREMIA 0.37 G/L 0.10 - 0.45
URIC ACID 5.5 MG/DL 3.6 - 8.5
TOTAL PROTEINS 7.9 G/DL 6.1 - 8.0
ALBUMIN 5.0 G/DL 3.2 - 5.0
TOTAL BILIRUBIN 1.07 MG/DL 0.0 - 1.00
ALKALINE PHOSPHATASE 64 U/L 45 - 115
LACTIC DEHYDROGENASE (LDH) 166 U/L 135 - 225
GOT/AST 18 U/L UNTIL 40

Hepatitis B, C, VDRL NEGATIVE

 

[vulture]

@haidut @RisingSun
AFAIK Haidut suggested on previous topic 3 weeks to asses impact on Total T, would this be the same to asses supression? Three weeeks or one month to asses LH/FSH? I would also try to do PRL, and Total T again

I don’t want to get serious supression since my T was great, but would like to asses impact and not staying short on supplementation

 

[sebastian_r]

You have perfect natural T, don't break it.

 

[ecstatichamster]

it's astonishing to me what people will do to break their health. Sigh.

They have no idea how easy it is to mess up, and how long it takes to fix up. Just look at the stories of so many here to see the truth of that.

 

[vulture]

You have perfect natural T, don't break it.

It’s a low dose, also I accepted the T gels in order to perform the experiment. I doubt it could be that serious to recover from such small dose for just a month or even less than that from Testosterone alone applied in a skin that seems to have a smaller aromatization rate than other common places. 5 mg a day.
But I appreciate your concern.

 

[vulture]

Subjective: facial hair growth speed seems faster, going to work without shaving is not an option now. Similar on Proviron low dose (25 to 50 mg ED)
Testicle size doesn’t seem to have reduced (at least not significantly). Sometimes I measure with my fingers, not precise but easy and fast.
One of my knees had some discomfort, similar when I toke low dose Proviron (25 to 50 mg). Not so frequent neither a problem.
Right now I’m in a shitty week with poor sleep and high stress, this could reduce or distort subjective sensations. I’m gonna stay below a month on this to asses supression.
Also I feel less tired or sore after I work out