Losing fat without fear?

[PurpleHeart]

Body Fat Loss Automatically Reduces Lean Mass by Changing the Fat-Free Component of Adipose Tissue - PubMed (nih.gov)

If I understand this claims then a lot of the "lean mass" we lose during calorie restriction is not muscle, so does that mean that we may not lose that much muscle during calorie restriction?

I wanna lean down, but I am a bit worried of losing muscle along with the fat, so I would like to hear your experience and/or ways to retain muscle mass while losing fat.

 

[ecstatichamster]

It’s generally a mistake to try to lose fat. Not popular as an opinion but it’s true. Being fat Is generally healthier. Losing fat is dangerous.

 

[meatbag]

“People with a significant amount of fat in their body, who have in the past eaten foods containing vegetable oils, are likely to draw unsaturated fats out of storage, with toxic effects unless vitamin E, thyroid, and coconut oil are used protectively until tissue stores of unsaturated fats are depleted. Typically, body stores of fat take four years to completely reflect the change to a different type of dietary fat.”

“Stress increases metabolic rate in a destructive, age accelerating way, with increased inflammation, and decreased resting oxidative metabolic rate. It’s the basic metabolic rate, with fast nerve conduction, quick cellular adaptation, etc., that’s biologically valuable.” -R. Peat, PhD

Informative podcast on the subject of fatloss



The larger the quantity of “toxic fat” stored in the body, the more careful the person must be about increasing metabolic and physical activity. Using more vitamin E, short-chain saturated fats, and other anti-lipid-peroxidation agents is important.”

“It’s the stored PUFA, released by stress or hunger, that slow metabolism. Niacinamide helps to lower free fatty acids, and good nutrition will allow the liver to slowly detoxify the PUFA, if it isn’t being flooded with large amounts of them. A small amount of coconut oil with each meal will increase the ability to oxidize fat, by momentarily stopping the antithyroid effect of the PUFA. Aspirin is another thing that reduces the stress-related increase of free fatty acids, stimulating metabolism. Taking a thyroid supplement is reasonable until the ratio of saturated fats to PUFA is about 2 to 1.”
Toxicity of Stored PUFA – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)

 

[PurpleHeart]

It’s generally a mistake to try to lose fat. Not popular as an opinion but it’s true. Being fat Is generally healthier. Losing fat is dangerous.

I am not really concerned about health, I feel fine and I am quite muscular and lean, it's just that I have a little lower belly fat that bothers me, I'd rather have a fully flat belly as I think it's not only more aesthetically pleasing but many studies show flat belly to be better for heart health.

But like I said health is not really the issue here it's mainly aesthetic, I just want to find a way to lose it while minimizing muscle loss as much as possible.

 

[PurpleHeart]

“People with a significant amount of fat in their body, who have in the past eaten foods containing vegetable oils, are likely to draw unsaturated fats out of storage, with toxic effects unless vitamin E, thyroid, and coconut oil are used protectively until tissue stores of unsaturated fats are depleted. Typically, body stores of fat take four years to completely reflect the change to a different type of dietary fat.”

“Stress increases metabolic rate in a destructive, age accelerating way, with increased inflammation, and decreased resting oxidative metabolic rate. It’s the basic metabolic rate, with fast nerve conduction, quick cellular adaptation, etc., that’s biologically valuable.” -R. Peat, PhD

Informative podcast on the subject of fatloss



The larger the quantity of “toxic fat” stored in the body, the more careful the person must be about increasing metabolic and physical activity. Using more vitamin E, short-chain saturated fats, and other anti-lipid-peroxidation agents is important.”

“It’s the stored PUFA, released by stress or hunger, that slow metabolism. Niacinamide helps to lower free fatty acids, and good nutrition will allow the liver to slowly detoxify the PUFA, if it isn’t being flooded with large amounts of them. A small amount of coconut oil with each meal will increase the ability to oxidize fat, by momentarily stopping the antithyroid effect of the PUFA. Aspirin is another thing that reduces the stress-related increase of free fatty acids, stimulating metabolism. Taking a thyroid supplement is reasonable until the ratio of saturated fats to PUFA is about 2 to 1.”
Toxicity of Stored PUFA – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)

I have very little fat on me, losing 1 or 2 kilos and I will be super lean, so I don't think its so dangerous, mainly I just don't wanna lose muscle.

 

[schultz]

I have very little fat on me, losing 1 or 2 kilos and I will be super lean, so I don't think its so dangerous, mainly I just don't wanna lose muscle.

As long as you reduce your calories minimally and eat enough carbohydrates I think you won't lose (much) muscle. Keeping cortisol low should prevent catabolism and carbohydrates are one of the best way to keep cortisol down.

I think a -500 calorie deficit combined with some walking or something of that sort.

Haidut had a post about certain steroids blocking cortisol by binding to glucocorticoid receptors, and the idea that muscle can be built simply by blocking cortisol. There seems to always be a push/pull relationship with cortisol and anabolism. Quite fascinating. Once I was turned on to this idea I went through several PubMed papers (most from the 80's) talking about this very idea.

I think trenbolone was the steroid that powerfully binds to the GCR.

The effect of manipulating growth in sheep by diet or anabolic agents on plasma cortisol and muscle glucocorticoid receptors - PubMed

1. The cortisol status (total plasma cortisol concentration, free cortisol concentration, transcortin capacity) and the characteristics of skeletal muscle binding for cortisol and dexamethasone were examined in female lambs either implanted with Zeranol or trenbolone acetate or whose dietary...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[meatbag]

I have very little fat on me, losing 1 or 2 kilos and I will be super lean, so I don't think its so dangerous, mainly I just don't wanna lose muscle.

You just stimulate the muscle with weightlifting and consume adequate protein. The fat in your tissues is the fat you eat for the most part

 

[PurpleHeart]

As long as you reduce your calories minimally and eat enough carbohydrates I think you won't lose (much) muscle. Keeping cortisol low should prevent catabolism and carbohydrates are one of the best way to keep cortisol down.

I think a -500 calorie deficit combined with some walking or something of that sort.

Haidut had a post about certain steroids blocking cortisol by binding to glucocorticoid receptors, and the idea that muscle can be built simply by blocking cortisol. There seems to always be a push/pull relationship with cortisol and anabolism. Quite fascinating. Once I was turned on to this idea I went through several PubMed papers (most from the 80's) talking about this very idea.

I think trenbolone was the steroid that powerfully binds to the GCR.

The effect of manipulating growth in sheep by diet or anabolic agents on plasma cortisol and muscle glucocorticoid receptors - PubMed

1. The cortisol status (total plasma cortisol concentration, free cortisol concentration, transcortin capacity) and the characteristics of skeletal muscle binding for cortisol and dexamethasone were examined in female lambs either implanted with Zeranol or trenbolone acetate or whose dietary...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I like this way of viewing muscle gain and fat loss, right now I try to eat as little fat as possible, and a lot of protein, Haidut posted a study about high amounts of protein building muscle even without training so I am trying to get 200g a day and see what happens.

I don't think I will go for Trenbolone lol xD

 

[schultz]

I like this way of viewing muscle gain and fat loss

Me too. Although the cortisol/anabolic thing is probably just 1 piece of the puzzle, it's still very interesting.

I don't think I will go for Trenbolone lol xD

Haha, I wouldn't either.

 

[souperhuman]

As long as you reduce your calories minimally and eat enough carbohydrates I think you won't lose (much) muscle. Keeping cortisol low should prevent catabolism and carbohydrates are one of the best way to keep cortisol down.

I think a -500 calorie deficit combined with some walking or something of that sort.

Haidut had a post about certain steroids blocking cortisol by binding to glucocorticoid receptors, and the idea that muscle can be built simply by blocking cortisol. There seems to always be a push/pull relationship with cortisol and anabolism. Quite fascinating. Once I was turned on to this idea I went through several PubMed papers (most from the 80's) talking about this very idea.

I think trenbolone was the steroid that powerfully binds to the GCR.

The effect of manipulating growth in sheep by diet or anabolic agents on plasma cortisol and muscle glucocorticoid receptors - PubMed

1. The cortisol status (total plasma cortisol concentration, free cortisol concentration, transcortin capacity) and the characteristics of skeletal muscle binding for cortisol and dexamethasone were examined in female lambs either implanted with Zeranol or trenbolone acetate or whose dietary...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Something I've kind of thought about are fresh berries (blackberries, currants, gooseberry). As long as you don't chew the seeds you'd probably be fine and they have very high vit C content as well as some sugar which might help suppress cortisol. Bears seem to love these and they are constantly adding on and losing weight. Maybe it would work for humans, especially in combination with general caloric restriction.

 

[TripleOG]

I wanna lean down, but I am a bit worried of losing muscle along with the fat, so I would like to hear your experience and/or ways to retain muscle mass while losing fat.

Resistance training.

 

[supercoolguy]

Im not Large/Fat buy any means. BUT i got a mid-section that seems to Fluctuate in a couple weeks time without moderate regular exercise. I love Sugar and a little starch.

One thing ive noticed you dont see any Fat Rock Climbers. Im sure they hike around too.

 

[PurpleHeart]

Im not Large/Fat buy any means. BUT i got a mid-section that seems to Fluctuate in a couple weeks time without moderate regular exercise. I love Sugar and a little starch.

One thing ive noticed you dont see any Fat Rock Climbers. Im sure they hike around too.

Moving around a lot is the best thing you can do for your body, whenever I keep moving all day I feel so much better than being sedentary.

Couch potatoing is the worst thing you can do.