A study that ties nicely with the earlier study I posted on "addiction" being caused by the same factors.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 160521.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 160521.htm
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haidut said:A study that ties nicely with the earlier study I posted on "addiction" being caused by the same factors.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 160521.htm
Such_Saturation said:Serotonin reverses dominant social status
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432800003934
sm1693 said:haidut said:A study that ties nicely with the earlier study I posted on "addiction" being caused by the same factors.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 160521.htm
I'm surprised you would post such a poor study. You have often put me on the right track in the past, but that article is like a step backwards in our greater understanding.
I believe this to be a much greater explanation of the larger phenomenon at work:
Such_Saturation said:Serotonin reverses dominant social status
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432800003934
sm1693 said:haidut said:A study that ties nicely with the earlier study I posted on "addiction" being caused by the same factors.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 160521.htm
I'm surprised you would post such a poor study. You have often put me on the right track in the past, but that article is like a step backwards in our greater understanding.
I believe this to be a much greater explanation of the larger phenomenon at work:
Such_Saturation said:Serotonin reverses dominant social status
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432800003934
Such_Saturation said:Maybe that feeling of curling up and dying really is mediated by serotonin, makes sense!
haidut said:Um, sorry about that, but if you read the study it just says loneliness and isolation correlate with risk for mortality. It does not try to explain the mechanism, even though I agree with the quote you posted on the study @Such found. So, I am not sure why you think it is a poor study given that all it does is report correlation.
Care to elaborate?
BobbyDukes said:If you want dominant status, you will also need to be equipped to handle it, too.
BobbyDukes said:Just because you've lowered serotonin, raised dopamine/testosterone - doesn't automatically mean that life is better. A new reality brings new challenges and hurdles.
sm1693 said:haidut said:Um, sorry about that, but if you read the study it just says loneliness and isolation correlate with risk for mortality. It does not try to explain the mechanism, even though I agree with the quote you posted on the study @Such found. So, I am not sure why you think it is a poor study given that all it does is report correlation.
Care to elaborate?
The (sometimes) unspoken idea behind Ray Peat's work is an explanation of behavior through biological mechanisms. Therefore, biological mechanism precedes behavior. Any attempt to describe behavior preceding the biological mechanism is unhelpful at best, and likely severely distracting any attempt to understand the entirety of how the species operates.
No personal insult is meant by disagreeing with you here.
Such_Saturation said:I am under the impression that the only viable representation of Ray Peat's thought is more like biological mechanism and behavior precede each other, or body engenders mind engenders body, etc.
sm1693 said:Such_Saturation said:I am under the impression that the only viable representation of Ray Peat's thought is more like biological mechanism and behavior precede each other, or body engenders mind engenders body, etc.
It is immediately obvious to me that you are correct here. And it is enjoyable to learn about how the mind affects the body.
I think when people hear that "loneliness causes higher mortality," they will think, "oh well, it is what it is."
If they hear "gut-chemical serotonin causes loneliness," it will possibly spur a positive change in our environment here on earth.
It is not enjoyable to me to be surrounded by people who are emotionally crippled by food chemicals (etc), knowing that there is now a (somewhat) clear way to health and happiness freely available. I feel partially responsible.
kineticz said:Are there any ways to stimulate the benefits of social interaction in other ways than socially interacting :)
Dean said:kineticz said:Are there any ways to stimulate the benefits of social interaction in other ways than socially interacting :)
I'm with you on that one. A blow-up doll, maybe? As long as it isn't wham, squeak, thank you ma'am.
kineticz said:Are there any ways to stimulate the benefits of social interaction in other ways than socially interacting :)
kineticz said:Are there any ways to stimulate the benefits of social interaction in other ways than socially interacting :)