Latest from Archbishop Vigano: "Truth over Fear: COVID-19, The Vaccine, and The Great Reset"

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Linked above is the archbishop's full address at a recent online conference entitled "Truth over Fear". Archbishop Vigano addresses the secular madness of the past year from the reality of the COVID-19 death count, the absurdity of social distancing and masks, the damage of ventilators and hospital treatments, and how all of this is rooted in irrational fear promoted by the highest of "authorities", even members of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

Ultimately, however, Archbishop Vigano roots the current secular madness in the supernatural battle between God and Satan:
If only we had the good sense to think autonomously, to use the rationality with which we have been endowed by the Eternal Father, we would immediately understand that this horror is nothing but the “world turned upside down” that is desired by the eternal Enemy of the human race, the hell on earth longed for by the servants of Satan, the New Infernal Order that is the prelude to the advent of the Antichrist and the end times.

In knowing that the madness we see is but a consequence of the supernatural battle between God and Satan, we can be confident that it is a battle that will end, with Christ on top. But this victory cannot be achieved without yielding to the Reign of God:
If there is a “Great Reset” that humanity really needs, this can only come in the return to God, in a true conversion of individuals and of society to Christ the King, which for too long we have allowed to be dethroned in the name of a perverse freedom that permits and legitimizes everything except the Good.
 

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Thank you. Looking forward to reading his latest.
 

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Linked above is the archbishop's full address at a recent online conference entitled "Truth over Fear". Archbishop Vigano addresses the secular madness of the past year from the reality of the COVID-19 death count, the absurdity of social distancing and masks, the damage of ventilators and hospital treatments, and how all of this is rooted in irrational fear promoted by the highest of "authorities", even members of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

Ultimately, however, Archbishop Vigano roots the current secular madness in the supernatural battle between God and Satan:


In knowing that the madness we see is but a consequence of the supernatural battle between God and Satan, we can be confident that it is a battle that will end, with Christ on top. But this victory cannot be achieved without yielding to the Reign of God:
This man has been brave. He has also faced a lot of ridicule but doesn’t let that stop him.
 

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Bergoglio, just like Biden, was elected in a sham election. So many Catholics keep praying for Bergoglio, but it's like watering a barren tree.
 
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Bergoglio, just like Biden, was elected in a sham election. So many Catholics keep praying for Bergoglio, but it's like watering a barren tree.
Do you by any chance subscribe to sedevacantism or perhaps consider Benedict XVI the pope?
 

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Do you by any chance subscribe to sedevacantism or perhaps consider Benedict XVI the pope?
I had to look up sedevacantism to understand the meaning of it, but I can very well understand how Vatican II ruined the church for its progressivism. But the Roman Catholic Church has long been a church of conquest ever since the Roman times. Seen in this light, it has always been about globalism and the loss of native people's right to self-determination. It saw in the Constantinople and its Orthodox Christianity a rival, and it caused Constantinople to be weakened enough for it to be felled by the Ottoman Muslims. It has lost its legitimacy since then, even though the pillage of Constantinople contributed to the Renaissance with the Roman Catholic Church as the spiritual sponsor.

The Catholic Church has always served the elites. In the small parishes, it may give sermons about the dignity of man, but on top it never cared about it. But this system works as the laity in the parishes believed that the Pope has the blessing of God and can never be in error, and if he did, the situation can be rectified in the future with a new and better pope. So there is always the faithful in the lower rungs that keep praying. But prayers are a a poor substitute for meaningful action.

So you have the Catholic countries in South American and the only one in Asia - the Philippines - wiping the floor while countries steeped in humanistic principles leave them behind.

I rather explore the Orthodox Church and see if it has stayed true to the early church fathers, and not become a rationalizing institution that perverts truth.
 
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I don't think it's possible to sway you on a thread, but the Roman Catholic Church is not "a rationalizing institution that perverts truth", though I understand why you see it as such.

Yes, the Church has certainly been "a church of conquest", heavily influenced by Roman Law. But it isn't "about globalism" or "the loss of native people's right to self-determination". The only thing the Church attempts to "impose" on others is the faith, but she is a master at assimilating other cultures into her own. St. Thomas Aquinas incorporated Aristotle's metaphysics into the faith, a number of Pagan traditions were adopted by the early Christians, etc. Throughout history, the Catholic Church has assimilated the good (i.e. what is compatible with the faith) from other cultures, tossing out the incompatible in order to uphold the meaning of the word "Catholic" which means "universal". This is why a variety of liturgical rites exist. Aside from the Latin Rite of the Mass, there exists a Byzantine Rite, a Mozarabic Rite, a Chaldean Rite, etc. Additionally, you might be interested into studying how Spain embarked on its "conquest" to evangelize the world under Queen Isabella. Unlike the British and American empires, Spain never imposed her language on the people she colonized. Spanish friars would learn the local dialects in order to evangelize the people. Spain's approach to colonialism was grounded in the teachings of the late scholastics of the School of Salamanca, which right-wing libertarians such as Hans Herman-Hoppe, Murray Rothbard and Tom Woods consider the same grounding of their own anti-authoritarian pro-self-determination philosophy.

Now onto something more theological:
The Catholic Church has always served the elites. In the small parishes, it may give sermons about the dignity of man, but on top it never cared about it. But this system works as the laity in the parishes believed that the Pope has the blessing of God and can never be in error, and if he did, the situation can be rectified in the future with a new and better pope. So there is always the faithful in the lower rungs that keep praying. But prayers are a a poor substitute for meaningful action.
Perhaps many laity do believe that the pope can never be in error, but that's not what Catholic teaching actually says. The dogma of papal infallibility was only formalized at the First Vatican Council in the 19th century, and it is limited to defining dogma. By Catholic doctrine, the pope can err in all things because he is a human being with free will, but he cannot err in defining dogma, which are objects of faith Catholics are obliged to believe. Note that the pope does not have the power to create dogmas but to simply define them. The "power" of "creating dogmas" is limited to God, but even God does not "create" new dogmas in real time because the fullness of His Revelation occurred in and through Christ; He has nothing more to "reveal" to us. Obviously, making sense of God's Revelation is no easy task and has entailed centuries of study, continuing to the present. When a pope defines a "new" dogma, he simply puts a spotlight on something already revealed by God Himself. That being said, defining dogmas is a pretty rare occurrence. The last time a pope defined a dogma was in 1950.

Nevertheless, I do agree that majority of Catholics believe that the pope can do no wrong, and that this is just one among many beliefs that contribute to the detriment of man and society. However, it might be worth pondering whether the damage the Catholic Church seems to have done is due to errors intrinsic to the Catholic Church herself or to the errors of man.
 

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I don't think it's possible to sway you on a thread, but the Roman Catholic Church is not "a rationalizing institution that perverts truth", though I understand why you see it as such.
It may seem that the subject of science is beyond the church's ken, but its influence is far-reaching that the perversion of truth may not be doctrinal, but temporal. In order to entrench creationism, it had to establish the big bang theory. In order to put a blotch on humanity thru original sin, it had to promote the determinism of genetics in Darwinism, instead of the epigenetics of Lamarckianism. Thus began the partnership of medical truth perversion with big pharma, and practiced daily in its vast hospital network where cures are nonexistent and as such prayer nuns roam the halls to add legitimacy to this dark partnership. The people who are educated under this system fall prey easily to the dogmatism of experts as they fall prey to the dogmatism of belief and faith in mysteries beyond our understanding.

Perhaps many laity do believe that the pope can never be in error, but that's not what Catholic teaching actually says. The dogma of papal infallibility was only formalized at the First Vatican Council in the 19th century, and it is limited to defining dogma. By Catholic doctrine, the pope can err in all things because he is a human being with free will, but he cannot err in defining dogma, which are objects of faith Catholics are obliged to believe. Note that the pope does not have the power to create dogmas but to simply define them. The "power" of "creating dogmas" is limited to God, but even God does not "create" new dogmas in real time because the fullness of His Revelation occurred in and through Christ; He has nothing more to "reveal" to us. Obviously, making sense of God's Revelation is no easy task and has entailed centuries of study, continuing to the present. When a pope defines a "new" dogma, he simply puts a spotlight on something already revealed by God Himself. That being said, defining dogmas is a pretty rare occurrence. The last time a pope defined a dogma was in 1950.

Nevertheless, I do agree that majority of Catholics believe that the pope can do no wrong, and that this is just one among many beliefs that contribute to the detriment of man and society. However, it might be worth pondering whether the damage the Catholic Church seems to have done is due to errors intrinsic to the Catholic Church herself or to the errors of man.
I wasn't clear in stating that papal infallibility refers to dogma. Agreed that the church dogmas are part of truths revealed in time and so defined. But this kind of thinking permeates the thought of Catholics steeped in this kind of reasoning. Just recently, a Catholic professor used this reasoning to justify why the WHO changed its definition of herd immunity, couched in the language of truths to be revealed in due time. Obviously, this is an application of logic that fails to see distinction between matters of faith and matters of science. But the professor, as educated as he is, was educated in a Jesuit education system that should have taught him otherwise.

As an institution of God, the church could have done a better job of being the conscience of temporal leaders of countries. Yet it has failed by a large margin, if I were to just judge it by recent history. It stood by and said nothing about unjust wars made upon innocent nations in the middle east. It then used its voice, not to stop the bombing and regime change wars, but to push for migration of these peoples to dilute the white natives in their homelands in Western Europe. Thus, it aided the cause of globalism, aiding in the push for the creation of Tower of Babels in these countries, so that division would strengthen the church's elite masters in a divide and conquer mashup. Has the church done anything to keep the slaughter of its sheep in Iraq? In Syria? I see no visible proof of this, and if there were effort made, I would classify it as token. In contrast, the ayatollahs of Iran have stood up against the great Satan, and toppled the regime of Shah Reza Pahlavi, which was a puppet government set up after the CIA and the MI6 topplied a democratically elected secular Iranian government? The ayatollahs of the Shiite sect of Islam had the courage to say enough is enough and we will protect the country and the faith. They did not cower in their mosques and keep of praying for salvation. They took matters into their own hands and saved their country from an evil hegemon. The silence of the catholic church can only be said to be deafening in its acquiescence to the unjust powers.
 

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Just recently, a Catholic professor used this reasoning to justify why the WHO changed its definition of herd immunity, couched in the language of truths to be revealed in due time. Obviously, this is an application of logic that fails to see distinction between matters of faith and matters of science. But the professor, as educated as he is, was educated in a Jesuit education system that should have taught him otherwise.
The catholic church is a major supporter of globalism, I didn't realize a while back when people brought Jesuits up as a religious sect of catholicism they just meant catholics in general.
 
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The catholic church is a major supporter of globalism, I didn't realize a while back when people brought Jesuits up as a religious sect of catholicism they just meant catholics in general.
There are smaller and less prominent religious orders and movements within that speak to a higher calling, but they have little voice as the heirarchy prevents them from gaining more prominence. But the church needs them to paint a face of benevolence and holiness. But given the rationalizing nature of western philosophy, it is no wonder that the judicial system can make decisions favoring the elite in any case presented, by mere use of hollow rationales on their interpretation of law. This is a natural legacy of the church's habit of providing legitimacy to its temporal kings in their conquests by rationalizing the utilitarian use of foreign peoples to enrich themselves, while justifying their actions in the name of saving the souls of indigenous peoples. This hypocritical practice is just as rampant in the modern practice of NATO invading countries to liberate them, although it is now in a secular context.
 

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The Catholic Church has never supported "globalism". Sure, since Vatican 2 and especially under current leadership, the infiltrators certainly make it seem that way. Ignore whatever this possible antipope is doing. The Church is supposed to bring about the social kingship of Christ on earth. And it is ridiculous to say that the Church always served the elites, when countless martyrs gave their lives to save souls among natives who had nothing to give them. What about the Franciscans, the Dominicans, even the Jesuits of old like St. Isaac Jogues? How can people think that natives would have been better off without their help when tribes were killing each other, enslaving children, barely eating enough in many places? As far as the institutional church today, what a mess. And no wonder, as modernism was enshrined at Vatican 2 and Christ was uncrowned. Now everyone's fine and God wills all religions, right? That is not Catholicism
 

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The Catholic Church has never supported "globalism". Sure, since Vatican 2 and especially under current leadership, the infiltrators certainly make it seem that way. Ignore whatever this possible antipope is doing. The Church is supposed to bring about the social kingship of Christ on earth. And it is ridiculous to say that the Church always served the elites, when countless martyrs gave their lives to save souls among natives who had nothing to give them. What about the Franciscans, the Dominicans, even the Jesuits of old like St. Isaac Jogues? How can people think that natives would have been better off without their help when tribes were killing each other, enslaving children, barely eating enough in many places? As far as the institutional church today, what a mess. And no wonder, as modernism was enshrined at Vatican 2 and Christ was uncrowned. Now everyone's fine and God wills all religions, right? That is not Catholicism
Just as anything that is man-made, and this includes institutions, once man and his gamesmanship and his corrupting influence erodes anything that is noble to which any well-intentioned institution had its origins, the church has long forgotten its mission and become corrupted and subject to temporal rule and have lost its heavenly mandate. The Franciscans, Dominicans, and the Jesuits had their founders and the founders would be rolling in their graves, to know that their church has once again abandoned their sheep, and their God as well, but is so much in disarray, with the corruption at the very top, that it is hard to see it as anything but a tool for the elites, and their endless wars, and for its role as an enabler for Zionists - with its adherence to all things Zionist. What Zion now says, the church runs with it. Amidst all its pretensions, it is plain to see for those with no fear of damnation to speak ill of its earthly master the pope.
 

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I had to look up sedevacantism to understand the meaning of it, but I can very well understand how Vatican II ruined the church for its progressivism. But the Roman Catholic Church has long been a church of conquest ever since the Roman times. Seen in this light, it has always been about globalism and the loss of native people's right to self-determination. It saw in the Constantinople and its Orthodox Christianity a rival, and it caused Constantinople to be weakened enough for it to be felled by the Ottoman Muslims. It has lost its legitimacy since then, even though the pillage of Constantinople contributed to the Renaissance with the Roman Catholic Church as the spiritual sponsor.

The Catholic Church has always served the elites. In the small parishes, it may give sermons about the dignity of man, but on top it never cared about it. But this system works as the laity in the parishes believed that the Pope has the blessing of God and can never be in error, and if he did, the situation can be rectified in the future with a new and better pope. So there is always the faithful in the lower rungs that keep praying. But prayers are a a poor substitute for meaningful action.

So you have the Catholic countries in South American and the only one in Asia - the Philippines - wiping the floor while countries steeped in humanistic principles leave them behind.

I rather explore the Orthodox Church and see if it has stayed true to the early church fathers, and not become a rationalizing institution that perverts truth.

Eastern Orthodoxy has the very same issues that Roman Catholicism has (freemasonry, modernism, communist penetration, etc.).
 

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Eastern Orthodoxy has the very same issues that Roman Catholicism has (freemasonry, modernism, communist penetration, etc.).
That is very likely to be the case.

At any rate, it makes more sense to have a personal relationship with God. There are many faiths and philosophies yet they share many truths. And in there lies common cause. But a community formed out of a common belief system that serves the common good is what's important. When this community becomes a large religion, it becomes a magnet for corruption and the foundations are weakened. And that is what has happened to the Catholic Church. The Vatican is only a tourist spot. Its relevance to world affairs is gone when it does not have any significant positive influence on how the world conducts itself. It talks only about ideals but doesn't act with any force that motivates the world to stay on an upright path.
 

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That is very likely to be the case.

At any rate, it makes more sense to have a personal relationship with God. There are many faiths and philosophies yet they share many truths. And in there lies common cause. But a community formed out of a common belief system that serves the common good is what's important. When this community becomes a large religion, it becomes a magnet for corruption and the foundations are weakened. And that is what has happened to the Catholic Church. The Vatican is only a tourist spot. Its relevance to world affairs is gone when it does not have any significant positive influence on how the world conducts itself. It talks only about ideals but doesn't act with any force that motivates the world to stay on an upright path.
There are still many good laymen and clerics (even bishops) in the Catholic Church. It would be foolish to dismiss the entire Church due to baddies, even the baddy Pope.
 

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There are still many good laymen and clerics (even bishops) in the Catholic Church. It would be foolish to dismiss the entire Church due to baddies, even the baddy Pope.
I think the same thing can be said for the church of scientology, and many other churches founded by hucksters. That there are good people within bring useful idiots for the top brass of racketeers does not sanctify these churches.

What about the many Christian Zionist Evangelical churches that provide moral and physical support to the evil goals of Jewish Zionists? Are there not a lot of good people also serving as useful idiots?

The real question to ask is why are these churches corrupted from the top levels and why are good people being members of these churches when these churches merely pay lip service to good and look the other way when evil things are continually being committed? Do they lull members into being always happy and oblivious and always thankful and joyful while and looking forward to the rapture or to paradise after they're dead?
 

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I think the same thing can be said for the church of scientology, and many other churches founded by hucksters. That there are good people within bring useful idiots for the top brass of racketeers does not sanctify these churches.

What about the many Christian Zionist Evangelical churches that provide moral and physical support to the evil goals of Jewish Zionists? Are there not a lot of good people also serving as useful idiots?

The real question to ask is why are these churches corrupted from the top levels and why are good people being members of these churches when these churches merely pay lip service to good and look the other way when evil things are continually being committed? Do they lull members into being always happy and oblivious and always thankful and joyful while and looking forward to the rapture or to paradise after they're dead?
One could argue that it was primarily the Catholic Church that was targeted for subversion while Protestantism was subversive from its beginning.
 

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One could argue that it was primarily the Catholic Church that was targeted for subversion while Protestantism was subversive from its beginning.
Let's say that were the case. What is the end result? Over time everything is corrupted because churches, just like corporations, nations, civilizations, fall prey to the insidious nature of man and get more and more corrupted over time. It wasn't the design, nor the mission, to be. It just happens. It decays, it withers, and dies. Even if we're taught that it was founded by God, and that it will last through the end of times.

What point is there for the church to remain when it is led by old farts in nice garb who only parade around as the world is being raped and pillaged by the greatest of all corruptors- the Zionists?
 
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