KMUD: 11-21-14 Nitric Oxide

[narouz]

She calls each and every month.

I know!
Can't they learn the number and simply not take her calls!?

 

[johns74]

hellO! HELLO!! you HEAR ME

 

[messtafarian]

Lol someone should call this month and tell her not to call.

 

[Such_Saturation]

She calls each and every month.

I know!
Can't they learn the number and simply not take her calls!?

Well I think she is learning slowly through the radio it seems, and this kind of person can't really learn anyway else.

 

[messtafarian]

Come to think of it, I think I did hear one more interview starring Lady. I think the conversation went something like -- " So what are polyunsaturated fats? " Ray: (something like) "well, start with any of the liquid oils, that are liquid at room temperature." " Oh, well, what about flaxseed oil, isn't flaxseed oil GOOD? " Ray: " Ah, er, hm..." " What about CANOLA OIL, I heard THAT WAS GOOD? Ray: " Ahm, mhm, well, hm..." " What about OLIVE OIL, isn't that good? " Ray: " Oh, yes, Olive OIl..."

I think Lady has no clue what the topic even is but she kinda digs Dr. Peat :)

 

[narouz]

Come to think of it, I think I did hear one more interview starring Lady. I think the conversation went something like -- " So what are polyunsaturated fats? " Ray: (something like) "well, start with any of the liquid oils, that are liquid at room temperature." " Oh, well, what about flaxseed oil, isn't flaxseed oil GOOD? " Ray: " Ah, er, hm..." " What about CANOLA OIL, I heard THAT WAS GOOD? Ray: " Ahm, mhm, well, hm..." " What about OLIVE OIL, isn't that good? " Ray: " Oh, yes, Olive OIl..."

I think Lady has no clue what the topic even is but she kinda digs Dr. Peat :)

A big part of the problem for our beloved Herb Doctors
is that they loudly shout that anyone can call in
about topics Related Or UnRelated.

Apparently, their mission statement is too obtain any and all calls
no matter the cost to show coherence.

To make matters worse, they apparently do not tell callers they can have One question.
I listen to a lot of radio talk shows on NPR,
and they all are very adept and strong editors with their call-ins.
They get the gist of the question and they get out.
And they screen out unrelated bs and probably screen out repeated, known bs callers.

I wish our Herb Doctors and their charmingly bumbling engineer could be a bit more aggressive
in this way.

 

[messtafarian]

Yes, lol. Poor Doc. Such a patient man.

 

[Peatri Dish]

I love listening to the KMUD interviews in part because of Peat's treatment of the woman who calls every week. He really demonstrates the spiritual posture of a true learner. He approaches his interactions with her with a fresh outlook each time. He meets her where she is - never scolding her. (Which incidentally is what I do in my mind when I listen: "You called to ask for help! Wouldn't it be appropriate to open your ears and close your mouth and listen?!") He addresses each question as if she were ready to receive the information and listens to each objection with an open mind.
This is the kind of mind that can recognize truth and is open for change. I'm always humbled by his graciousness.

 

[narouz]

I love listening to the KMUD interviews in part because of Peat's treatment of the woman who calls every week. He really demonstrates the spiritual posture of a true learner. He approaches his interactions with her with a fresh outlook each time. He meets her where she is - never scolding her. (Which incidentally is what I do in my mind when I listen: "You called to ask for help! Wouldn't it be appropriate to open your ears and close your mouth and listen?!") He addresses each question as if she were ready to receive the information and listens to each objection with an open mind.
This is the kind of mind that can recognize truth and is open for change. I'm always humbled by his graciousness.

Yeah...it's a good point, Peatri.
Still...I wouldn't go so far as to say I welcome her calls Every month,
just to hear Peat's saintliness reiterated...would you?

Thing is...her voice and attitude is almost a comic caricature...like Roseanne Barr or somesuch....
Why they let her repeatedly occupy airtime...puzzling.
It makes me wonder if the owner of the station has told them
that the deal is they Must Attract Callers, for financial reasons.
Or maybe the Herb Doctors themselves believe that is how they will expand the popularity of their show....

 

[pboy]

they only have Peat on like once a month, so maybe theyre used to that kind of person with their general herbal medicine questions, and they can offer her (or people like that) herbs to buy and stuff. Im sure they know whats going on and know Peat can handle it, but probably realize its kind of a joke the way shes coming across. But at the same time, its people like her that need that kind of teaching the most, and that kind of manners

 

[BingDing]

Well said, PD.

narouz, I think it was Sheila who said she is transcribing that interview, so it's good.

Do you think one potato a day is too much starch? I've never really got my mind settled about RP and starch, except for the strictest of regimens.

Thanks,

BD

 

[narouz]

they only have Peat on like once a month...

In the spiritual realm, the saintly realm, I agree with you pboy.
But the portion of your post, above, gets to my more selfish, earthly, honest response:
She hogs airtime, diverts attention from the topic, impatiently and ungratefully asserts new
and equally inane question before Peat can even answer the one (or two or three or four!) she has
already been allowed to pose...

I ain't no boddhi satva, p.
My vote is for the Herb Doctors to block her number on their phone.

 

[pboy]

lol, it is true...that time I guess is valuable and she is rude with the interuptions, I think shes just neurotic though rather than trying to be forceful

 

[narouz]

Well said, PD.

narouz, I think it was Sheila who said she is transcribing that interview, so it's good.

Do you think one potato a day is too much starch? I've never really got my mind settled about RP and starch, except for the strictest of regimens.

Thanks,

BD

Bing, this is just my view on Peat and starches
based upon his writings, his interviews,
and
the glimpses over the years he has yielded into his personal diet.

He is more anti-starch, I believe, than most like to acknowledge.
Recently he answered a question on Charlie's own cool
"Ask Doctor Peat a Question" (or something like that) here somewhere on the forum.

I was really surprised to find in one of his replies there
the first evidence, to my knowledge, that he might eat a bit of starch:
he said he had had some small, young turnips that day!
Aha! I thought: Dr. Peat caught finally eating some starch!

As it turns out, forum members larned me up about turnips,
and they are not hardly even starchy at all!
They're like 97% water and inulin or something like that!

Some say it is wrong to be guided by what Peat himself eats.
I say baloney!
I consider it an important point of reference
in trying to get a fix on what constitutes an optimal Peat diet.
IMO!

 

[pboy]

peat eats bologna?!? so that's the secret

 

[Such_Saturation]

I think there is little difference in importance between someone discussing super-refined aspects and Ray Peat telling a woman Viagra is unhealthy. There exists a plane of learning (for both parties) which transcends the level of a certain exchange. It is orthogonal to it, in fact. When you focus on defining a "Peat Diet" too much, you are actually disregarding that more powerful kind of learning. This is often seen resulting in stuff like people who obsess over the correct milligrams of DHEA and then keep eating bread or some other starch. It's about priorities, just not of the kind you are used to.

 

[messtafarian]

I love listening to the KMUD interviews in part because of Peat's treatment of the woman who calls every week. He really demonstrates the spiritual posture of a true learner. He approaches his interactions with her with a fresh outlook each time. He meets her where she is - never scolding her. (Which incidentally is what I do in my mind when I listen: "You called to ask for help! Wouldn't it be appropriate to open your ears and close your mouth and listen?!") He addresses each question as if she were ready to receive the information and listens to each objection with an open mind.
This is the kind of mind that can recognize truth and is open for change. I'm always humbled by his graciousness.

I don't think the doc realizes how amazing he really is.

 

[messtafarian]

Dr. Peat likes the protein in potatoes but his assessment of starch in general seems to be that there are only a few starches that are even safe. He won't say that these starches are good for you or even desirable, he just says they are "safe."

He did say, during one KMUD interview, that there was nothing wrong with starch " if you needed the calories." He also used the word "famine " in relation to that statement so I think his general idea is that starch is what you eat when you have absolutely no other choice. To him anything that has endotoxin is "famine food."

 

[narouz]

peat eats bologna?!? so that's the secret

Don't let the cat out of the bag, pboy!

 

[narouz]

I think there is little difference in importance between someone discussing super-refined aspects and Ray Peat telling a woman Viagra is unhealthy. There exists a plane of learning (for both parties) which transcends the level of a certain exchange. It is orthogonal to it, in fact. When you focus on defining a "Peat Diet" too much, you are actually disregarding that more powerful kind of learning. This is often seen resulting in stuff like people who obsess over the correct milligrams of DHEA and then keep eating bread or some other starch. It's about priorities, just not of the kind you are used to.

Yes, Such...I know this is your approach.
And that's fine.
I just come at things differently.

I don't have a problem with a "level of certain exchange."
In fact, I like it and even pretty much require it.
(Well, at least when we are dealing in the realm of science.)

Think about this:
what if you went over to Mark's Daily Apple or whatever it is,
that paleo/low carb site.
And what if they said:
"There is no Paleo diet,"
or "anything can really be a Paleo diet,"
while at the same time clearly advocating a low-carb, high-protein, etc diet...?

To my mind, that would be silly. And unhelpful.
It is good to know what a Paleo diet is, in general,
so that we are able over time to accurately test and repudiate it!

So...I like "a level of certain exchange."

Now, having said that, I am open to the possibility that Peat may indeed be wrong about things.
But the only way I can test that out is
if I deal with things to some degree of certainty.

For instance: is a Ray Peat diet 3 potatoes and some chicken every day?
To my mind, that is too uncertain a level of exchange,
and won't allow for an accurate testing.