KHABIB NURMAGOMEDOV (UFC) HORMONAL STATE

[thomas00]

Interesting note about IQ and head size.

Do you think it’s possible to have a high IQ and a small head? Perhaps if the body has decided to not hypertrophy brain cells or increase their quantity but rather increase the connections and speed with which information is traveled. Efficiency vs size so to speak.

Stephen Hawkins and Ben Shapiro don’t come to me as having large heads, but have high IQ

Ben Shapiro appears to be a case against IQ scores.

 

[lvysaur]

Interesting note about IQ and head size.

Do you think it’s possible to have a high IQ and a small head?

Definitely. But there is a consistent correlation, although slight, between head size and IQ.

I would suspect that IQ is a combination of two things: energy consumption and efficiency. Bigger head = more energy consumption. But there are also architectures in the brain which make IQ-related reasoning faster and more efficient. I suspect the smaller heads tend towards the latter architectures--however just because something isn't tested in IQ doesn't mean it's not driving cognition. Raw intellectual power vs. strategy, in other words.

Asians have the highest IQs, and by far the highest spatial IQs, and they also have very large wide heads, this despite a slightly shorter height.

The smaller and/or longer heads, like in Africans and Europeans, tend towards low spatial IQ and high verbal IQ. Ashkenazi Jews are a subgroup with a very high general IQ, but their spatial IQ is still barely average--it's mostly verbal/analytical. Longer heads also look a bit more "herbivorous", with the skull transition bearing a slight resemblance to a prey animal. I've found this to be very common among South Europeans and Middle Easterners.

There are also associations between head shape and lactose tolerance that are pretty interesting. Wide heads are intolerant almost as a rule.

Average height and IQ tends to increase as one moves from the equator to the poles. Average penis length decreases.

Average height is mostly an artifact of happenstance migration and industrialization. Northern Asians are shorter than Middle Asians, for instance. Body width should increase in the north, and height should go down. But modern northern people (read: Euros) are mostly borne from large amounts of southern stock (with exceptions for Siberians and Inuit etc)

Hairiness also decreases in the north as a rule.

 

[Andman]

Prison rules. Frontier justice.

Who gets to decide a matter of "honor"?......or perhaps that's code for ego?

You are referring to a dominance hierarchy, which, oddly enough, is the exact opposite of the philosophy of this forum.

Cultures that subjugate women, control through overt violence, and use stress as weapon against its people. Not to mention......have zero sense of humor (hurts their "honor" too much).

Strange to find guys promoting this on the RPF, but then again, trolling is rampant here. Luckily we have a great ignore feature.

Cheers!

have to agree, whats with all that sherdog/bb.com stuff lately ‍

 

[bboone]

You are referring to a dominance hierarchy, which, oddly enough, is the exact opposite of the philosophy of this forum.

for groups of mammals to organize and interpret themselves according to a dominance hierarchy is not only a natural state but the natural state. there is no escaping this, no matter how much skim milk you drink or which chelation supplements you take. you cannot avoid it through adhering to a certain philosophical mindset either. at best, you can seek out utter isolation or delude yourself into believing that it is not all-permeating, but you will still find yourself trapped within it whenever you venture out from your hermit's retreat to buy orange juice, or when you participate in an online discussion. the best thing you can do is try to climb it, as the view is always better the further up you climb.

mcgregor tried to make up for his lack of fighting ability (relative to khabib's) by employing loudmouthedness, but it clearly backfired spectacularly. he won't win another fight, but i seriously doubt he will even participate in one. his humiliation was enhanced by the rebound effect of his unwise behavior during the press conference. if he had won, he would have laughed off this behavior and excused himself with it just being "part of the game" and that khabib shouldn't think he meant anything by it. there he would have been in the position of a benefactor and humility would have served to improve people's perception of him and thereby increase his "power". instead, he lost, and he received the total sum of the force build-up whose scales he tipped with his repulsive behavior during the press conference and the impact of this loss will be too much for him. it's the same thing with bulldogs. a dog can be game to the bone, but once he turns cur he's out forever, regardless of how loudly he barks.

if mcgregor hadn't gone overboard with his ridiculous insults, the loss would have had a smaller impact on him, but he decided to and risk it by taking it all the way. you can tell by his eyes he knew right then and there that he'd made a mistake and was in over his head. hopefully, other fighters will take notice of the effects this had for mcgregor and tone down the trash-talking aspect of fighting. a fight is a fight, and putting on this great show and allowing jib to be a part of it inherently degrades the spectacle. some guys can pull it off and make the press conferences entertaining instead of merely tasteless (like tyson fury), but this is an exception.

 

[Broken man]

It’s a limiting factor. Ben Shapiro is Jewish....Stephen hawking is a fraud but I wouldn’t say he has a small head

Good points :)

 

[thomas00]

for groups of mammals to organize and interpret themselves according to a dominance hierarchy is not only a natural state but the natural state. there is no escaping this, no matter how much skim milk you drink or which chelation supplements you take. you cannot avoid it through adhering to a certain philosophical mindset either. at best, you can seek out utter isolation or delude yourself into believing that it is not all-permeating, but you will still find yourself trapped within it whenever you venture out from your hermit's retreat to buy orange juice, or when you participate in an online discussion. the best thing you can do is try to climb it, as the view is always better the further up you climb.

untrue

1. humans lived as anarchists for millennia

2. People are unhealthy, unhappy and resentful in hierarchies. Always.

3. this is business propaganda

 

[bboone]

untrue

1. humans lived as anarchists for millennia

2. People are unhealthy, unhappy and resentful in hierarchies. Always.

3. this is business propaganda

1. lol
2. false
3. no

 

[thomas00]

1. lol

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/evan.20046
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/...r-gatherers-maintained-their-egalitarian-ways
Primitive communism: life before class and oppression

2. false

Hierarchy is Detrimental for Human Cooperation
https://popularresistance.org/how-hierarchyis-actually-bad-for-your-health/

3. no

In Praise of Hierarchy - Harvard Business Review

 

[LeeLemonoil]

There is no natural state in which homo s. organizes his society. It always depended on circumstances.
At some point it seems anti-social, greedy less emphatic people gathered an advantage by seeking their own good above all.

 

[RisingSun]

Northern Asians are shorter than Middle Asians, for instance. Body width should increase in the north, and height should go down. But modern northern people (read: Euros) are mostly borne from large amounts of southern stock (with exceptions for Siberians and Inuit etc)

Hairiness also decreases in the north as a rule.

Completely wrong observations / theories

Northern Chinese / Mongolians / Japanese men have far more facial and body hair and are taller than their southern counterparts

 

[RisingSun]

Ben Shapiro appears to be a case against IQ scores.

Irrelevant.

He just has a Zionist agenda, while having an extremely agile brain

 

[bboone]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/evan.20046
https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/...r-gatherers-maintained-their-egalitarian-ways
Primitive communism: life before class and oppression



Hierarchy is Detrimental for Human Cooperation
https://popularresistance.org/how-hierarchyis-actually-bad-for-your-health/


In Praise of Hierarchy - Harvard Business Review

i don't know why i even bother replying to this, but i'll make it succinct. first off, understand that hierarchy is inherent within the mammalian sociobiological structure. it's all-permeating and cannot be escaped. often, or even most of the time, it is totally unnoticeable due to how natural it is. it is the natural state, and observing hierarchy can be difficult due to our bias. when you interact with another human you subconsciously arrange yourself hierarchically according to your understanding of the other individual's power, so that you may either avoid harm or seek their favor. if there is a disagreement as to who is "on top", it'll come to a head and culminate in some sort of contest. ufc and basically all other sports are an institutionalized outlet for this. competition is is the face of nature, which is constantly reorganizing itself, constantly adapting, and the tool it uses to shape its nature is hierarchy. however, do not mistake a false, stagnated hierarchy (as that of a business can often be) for a real one. a forced hierarchy whose structures don't allow for a natural strength dispersion will only be detrimental to itself.

why do you suppose a hierarchical structure is inherently opposed to egalitarianism? all organisms will strive to arrange their surroundings as to favor their own survival as well as that of their bloodline, and cultures in their most barebone shape reflect this. this is true regardless of political paradigm, be it ancap libertarian utopia, socialist commune or regular western parliamentary democracy. the political structure is overarching and only reflects the inherent nature of the all-permeating hierarchical instinct to a degree, and even seeks to augment or dismantle it through bureaucratic institutions or impotent nepotism. anarchy is the state in which it shines the brightest. humans develop egalitarian structures out of convenience but egalitarianism is nothing but a tool. as @LeeLemonoil pointed out, there is no "natural" organizational form for human beings, but our hierarchical drive is insuppressible. the article you linked on the detrimental effects of hierarchy is ridiculous. dissolving hierarchy is just another way of organizing it. you literally cannot escape it lol

let this clip illustrate:

 

[thomas00]

Irrelevant.

He just has a Zionist agenda, while having an extremely agile brain

Agile for what?

I've never heard him tackle anything more complicated than transsexuality and feminism. With college students.

It's quite relevant if tribalism is unintelligent. Which it is.

 

[lvysaur]

Northern Chinese / Mongolians / Japanese men have far more facial and body hair and are taller than their southern counterparts

Nope
https://i.redd.it/av5pr9mvw1921.png

Siberians are not a great marker here since they have "Caucasoid" ancestry, which would make them hairier than they "really" are. But in general, hairiness increases in the south: both among "Caucasoids" and "Mongoloids".

The only exceptions are where the boundaries of north/south are determined by a relatively large genetic gap, like India. Or the Ainu in Japan, who are essentially Australoid, of a more southern stock.

You're right about the height though (the northeast is taller): https://i.redd.it/1xadx3z4st121.png

 

[rei]

You are talking about how animals work, not humans living in modern society. Words should never be answered with violence, and the person attacked has all the right to use whatever force necessary, even lethal, to stop it.

 

[thomas00]

i don't know why i even bother replying to this, but i'll make it succinct. first off, understand that hierarchy is inherent within the mammalian sociobiological structure. it's all-permeating and cannot be escaped.

Can you point to where it is in the body then?

often, or even most of the time, it is totally unnoticeable due to how natural it is. it is the natural state, and observing hierarchy can be difficult due to our bias. when you interact with another human you subconsciously arrange yourself hierarchically according to your understanding of the other individual's power, so that you may either avoid harm or seek their favor.

Can you prove this?

People often just acknowledge each other and move on. Or chat. Or argue. I'm quite sure there are more than two possible motivations for intreraction.

if there is a disagreement as to who is "on top", it'll come to a head and culminate in some sort of contest. ufc and basically all other sports are an institutionalized outlet for this. competition is is the face of nature, which is constantly reorganizing itself, constantly adapting, and the tool it uses to shape its nature is hierarchy.

Sport is competitive therefore biology is competitive.

This isn't evidence. Or even sound reasoning.

however

, do not mistake a false, stagnated hierarchy (as that of a business can often be) for a real one. a forced hierarchy whose structures don't allow for a natural strength dispersion will only be detrimental to itself

Pecking orders come about from ill health. There isn't really anything natural about them and they only came about after the advent of agriculture when human health took a backwards step.

why do you suppose a hierarchical structure is inherently opposed to egalitarianism? all organisms will strive to arrange their surroundings as to favor their own survival as well as that of their bloodline, and cultures in their most barebone shape reflect this. this is true regardless of political paradigm, be it ancap libertarian utopia, socialist commune or regular western parliamentary democracy. the political structure is overarching and only reflects the inherent nature of the all-permeating hierarchical instinct to a degree, and even seeks to augment or dismantle it through bureaucratic institutions or impotent nepotism. anarchy is the state in which it shines the brightest. humans develop egalitarian structures out of convenience but egalitarianism is nothing but a tool.

This sounds like gibberish. I don't really understand what you are trying to say here.

@LeeLemonoil pointed out, there is no "natural" organizational form for human beings, but our hierarchical drive is insuppressible. the article you linked on the detrimental effects of hierarchy is ridiculous. dissolving hierarchy is just another way of organizing it. you literally cannot escape it lol

If you've dissolved hierarchy then by definition you haven't reorganized it. You've dissolved it.

Organization does not imply hierarchy, unless you think it's impossible to organize anything based on cooperation. Do you?

let this clip illustrate:

That's a TV show of some actors portraying some fictional characters.

 

[cyclops]

when you interact with another human you subconsciously arrange yourself hierarchically according to your understanding of the other individual's power, so that you may either avoid harm or seek their favor.

Please talk for yourself, using the word "I," not "you." You have no idea what all human beings are thinking consciously or subconsciously. If you wanna speak for lobsters fine, but don't tell me how I'm thinking when I interact with people.

 

[schultz]

Ben Shapiro appears to be a case against IQ scores.

Personally, I couldn't kill a baby, or a fetus for that matter, and I am someone who kills his own animals for food. I don't think as a society we should justify killing babies in order to prevent future crime.

 

[bboone]

@rei humans are animals in every way. there is nothing non-animal about humans and there never will be, regardless of how complex our society gets. when you punch someone you are making a bet and when you deliver an insult you're doing the same.

@thomas00 i don't know what to tell you, bro. i suggest you do some more thinking. especially the last comment really testifies to your lack of comprehension of what we're talking about. all human interaction involves value judgement, including an implicit understanding of the power order. the closer someone is in the order of power, the higher the potential for friendship and the higher the potential for enmity. you seem to believe i say establishing hierarchy is the goal of every interaction, when i'm really saying the implicit understanding of hierarchy is the prerequisite for it. "dissolving hierarchy" is an illusion, because all you can do is reorganize it. cooperation is hierarchically organized. i don't really understand why you made that last comment

@cyclops we can't even speak for the "lowest" of animals but speaking for humans as a whole is easy. what they are "thinking" during social interaction is irrelevant. the only thing that matters is how they act and how they are reacted to. ironically, you are trying to intimidate me with your assertion and instead end up illustrating my point

although i thought it was obvious, i'm not talking about hierarchy as "i am stronger than you therefore you do what i say, he is stronger than me therefore i do what he says". human hierachies are infinitely much more nuanced than that, as is warranted by our complex social structures and high intelligence. however, conventions and pretentions are often stripped away, as in the cause of professional fighting, where will and ability are allowed to clash freely.

people on this forum seem to be fine with reducing someone's personality to a chemical imbalance, but are seemingly blind to the fact that the structures in which all other mammals organize themselves and through which they understand themselves also apply to humans. there is nothing bad about being weak. what's bad is not recognizing it. ill-health creates schemers and impostors, who impose and exploit repulsive, false hierarchies through which the weakest reign by virtue of their own lowliness. of course, the weak, by virtue of their weakness, cannot rule, so these orders disintegrate

 

[cyclops]

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