Jordan Peterson is finally coming around (to Christ)

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Hehe. He should do one of Peterson hating on the white race.

That only happens in your delusional white supremacist dreams. Of course its not difficult for someone to be anti-white in your eyes because I get the sense that for you anything that is not ethno-nationalist is "anti-white". You claim that you value "your culture" what is your culture? I would say my culture is western and the principals of western culture transcend race. If you are basing your culture on race then you are explicitly anti-western, and anti-enlightenment I guess you would also call William Wilberforce, Abraham Lincoln anti white too for their opposition to slavery.
 

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Seems illogical to call yourself "western" while being a kind of borderless global citizen.

Obviously in such a world there is no such thing as "western."
 

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Seems illogical to call yourself "western" while being a kind of borderless global citizen.

Obviously in such a world there is no such thing as "western."
Whoever said I was a boderless global citizen? I very strongly believe in borders, without borders you have no nation. Unless you're claiming that is what Jordan Peterson is and I would dispute that description. I think he is more akin to a defender of general western thought and values particularly in the English speaking world.
 

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That only happens in your delusional white supremacist dreams. Of course its not difficult for someone to be anti-white in your eyes because I get the sense that for you anything that is not ethno-nationalist is "anti-white". You claim that you value "your culture" what is your culture? I would say my culture is western and the principals of western culture transcend race. If you are basing your culture on race then you are explicitly anti-western, and anti-enlightenment I guess you would also call William Wilberforce, Abraham Lincoln anti white too for their opposition to slavery.
Oh, now I am a white supremacist? Please explain how you concluded this. Can you do so without consulting Peterson?

How come white people are told they can't be a race but blacks can be?
 

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Oh, now I am a white supremacist? Please explain how you concluded this. Can you do so without consulting Peterson?

How come white people are told they can't be a race but blacks can be?

I concluded this from your own words in this very forum....

Race is irrelevant? Is that why the white man is being dispossessed of his culture, wealth, religion, land, and dignity while every other race is being promoted as inherently more virtuous?
When I stated that race is irrelevant and that it is CULTURE that matters you responded by saying that "the white man" is being dispossessed of his culture? Which white man are you refereeing too? Because there is quite a lot of culture variance there, is that the Russian whites, the Spanish whites, the Polish whites, the Norwegian whites? They may be the same race but they are NOT the same culture and thus they have very different outcomes in life. Which is why I make the argument that culture is what matters.

Thomas Sowell does a good job illustrating this in his works and it is summarised well in this interview he did from 1984. He is very much against the BLM, politically correct nonsense.



I take pride in my culture as an individual, but I tend to avoid organized white nationalists groups, as they are mostly co-opted.
You're implying in your response here that you don't disagree with the tenants of white nationalism but you avoid any groups because they have been co-opted. Call me crazy but this strongly implies you are a white nationalist.

Here is a question for you would you ever marry someone that was not white?
 

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I concluded this from your own words in this very forum....


When I stated that race is irrelevant and that it is CULTURE that matters you responded by saying that "the white man" is being dispossessed of his culture? Which white man are you refereeing too? Because there is quite a lot of culture variance there, is that the Russian whites, the Spanish whites, the Polish whites, the Norwegian whites? They may be the same race but they are NOT the same culture and thus they have very different outcomes in life. Which is why I make the argument that culture is what matters.

Thomas Sowell does a good job illustrating this in his works and it is summarised well in this interview he did from 1984. He is very much against the BLM, politically correct nonsense.




You're implying in your response here that you don't disagree with the tenants of white nationalism but you avoid any groups because they have been co-opted. Call me crazy but this strongly implies you are a white nationalist.


A Jordan Peterson groupie who embraces critical race theory and Marxism. That tells us all we need to know about Peterson.

Here is a question for you would you ever marry someone that was not white?
No, I wouldn't, and what of it? What does your god Peterson have to say about that?

Shill Peterson is quick to condemn white supremacy, like every other Leftist scumbag out there, but says nothing about Jewish supremacy, black panthers, la raza, etc.

Give it up, shill. We're onto you.

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A Jordan Peterson groupie who embraces critical race theory and Marxism. That tells us all we need to know about Peterson.


No, I wouldn't, and what of it? What does your god Peterson have to say about that?

Shill Peterson is quick to condemn white supremacy, like every other Leftist scumbag out there, but says nothing about Jewish supremacy, black panthers, la raza, etc.

Give it up, shill. We're onto you.

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Jordan peterson is against marxim and most of what the radical postmodern left spurt
 

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A Jordan Peterson groupie who embraces critical race theory and Marxism. That tells us all we need to know about Peterson.


No, I wouldn't, and what of it? What does your god Peterson have to say about that?

Shill Peterson is quick to condemn white supremacy, like every other Leftist scumbag out there, but says nothing about Jewish supremacy, black panthers, la raza, etc.

Give it up, shill. We're onto you.

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So I'm a jordan peterson groupie? How do you figure that? I remember when he first came on the scene whenever I talked about him I was very critical about his endorsement of SSRIs and the medical field in general.

Well I don't know about Peterson but I know my God (Christianity) does not think that someone's race should be the determining factor when it comes to marriage. It should be shared values, beliefs compatability etc. There are a bunch of practical considerations obviously such as financial possible genetic compatability issues (susceptibility to diseases) which maybe effected by different racial parings but those are exceedingly rare and often there are biological benefits rather than downsides.

If you really are basing marriage on the level of melanin in someone's skin instead of culture and shared values then I would submit that you are a racist and your hilarious excuse for this is that other people are racists too so it's ok for you to be well I think the moral absurdity of that speaks for itself.

I actually feel bad for you. Its sad to be stuck in such a level of delusion.

I would submit that you are suffering from a form of learned helplessness.
 

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So I'm a jordan peterson groupie? How do you figure that? I remember when he first came on the scene whenever I talked about him I was very critical about his endorsement of SSRIs and the medical field in general.

Well I don't know about Peterson but I know my God (Christianity) does not think that someone's race should be the determining factor when it comes to marriage. It should be shared values, beliefs compatability etc. There are a bunch of practical considerations obviously such as financial possible genetic compatability issues (susceptibility to diseases) which maybe effected by different racial parings but those are exceedingly rare and often there are biological benefits rather than downsides.
Oh really?

Wisdom of Sirach (Ecclesiasticus) 13:14-19 (King James Bible)

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Saint Thomas Aquinas said ‘Be humane to strangers but don’t let enemies in and don’t give citizenship away .'​


While spiritual compatibility should be the primary goal of a marriage, race should be a close second, according to the Bible itself. Israeli race laws actually follow the Bible closer than Christian nations, unfortunately. But that's about all that the Israelis get right.

Further to Aquinas:

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If you really are basing marriage on the level of melanin in someone's skin instead of culture and shared values then I would submit that you are a racist and your hilarious excuse for this is that other people are racists too so it's ok for you to be well I think the moral absurdity of that speaks for itself.
This is more critical race theory nonsense that race is only skin deep, when human history is full of scientific evidence that race is much, much more than environment. It's primarily genetic. Jesus Himself said that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
I actually feel bad for you. Its sad to be stuck in such a level of delusion.

I would submit that you are suffering from a form of learned helplessness.

I am quite happy not being subject to the propaganda of various charlatans posing as conservatives, nationalists, and anti-globalists. Have fun with your shills. I'm out. ;)
 
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This is more critical race theory nonsense that race is only skin deep, when human history is full of scientific evidence that race is much, much more than environment. It's primarily genetic. Jesus Himself said that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.
It is actually the opposite of critical race theory. Critical race theory ONLY cares about skin color which is all you seem to care about. YOU are the one espousing critical race theory by basing everything on skin color the only difference is you are saying that the white race is superior.

Also when it comes to the argument that race is primarily genetic you are likely in the minority when it comes to the this forum as Ray Peat argues against genes playing the primary role in determining the characteristics of the organism. Environment is the determining factor not genetics. Genetic theory is one of the most failed theories in the history of scientific study. But I guess Ray Peat is controlled opposition also right?

"Although evidence suggests that about 2% of human diseases involve the inheritance of an abnormal protein, the exact way the disease develops is never as clear as the geneticists would imply. And the major diseases, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's, epilepsy, depression, etc., that are so often blamed on "genes," are so poorly understood that it is arbitrary and crazy to talk about the way genes "cause" them. People who had never had a problem with diabetes in their culture, very soon suffered from the same rate of diabetes as their neighbors when they immigrated into Israel and began eating the European style diet." Ray Peat
Genes, Carbon Dioxide and Adaptation


This is why we have seen increases or decreases in IQ from one generation to the next simply due to changes in environment. There are even studies that show something as simple as supplementing creatine increases IQ.
Genes Do NOT Matter (much)
Genetics (possibly) play some minor role but a much lesser role than racialists like you would have us believe.

Also your using Christianity as a justification for your ethno-nationalism is despicable, no different than what the KKK and the Nazi's did to justify their beliefs. It is also what many of the far left BLM "Christians" do you are a mirror image for what you claim to be arguing against and the fact you think that there is nothing wrong with that well good luck if you think that St. Peter will let you through the gates for espousing such vile beliefs.

1 Samuel 16:7
“But the Lord said to Samuel, ‘Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.’”

Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile — the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.”

Mark 12:31
“The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.” (this part does not have an asterisk that says only if they're the same race).

John 2:11
“But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.”

I guess these parts of the bible don't count or somehow they are meant to be applied within the context of race?

I am quite happy not being subject to the propaganda of various charlatans posing as conservatives, nationalists, and anti-globalists. Have fun with your shills. I'm out. ;)
No need for you to be subject to the propaganda of others when you are already your own shill and propagandist you have built your own prison of self-delusion which will be nearly impossible for you to escape out of as anyone who challenges it is somehow part of the conspiracy . You are clearly not basing any of your beliefs on rationality just whatever feels good to you and helps keep your self-constructed identity protected, anything that challenges your beliefs about race is part of the grander conspiracy, everyone you disagree with is a shill, any belief system or group who opposes your belief is "controlled opposition". Enjoy your self-delusion I just hope you don't spread it to too many others.
 

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Shill Alert:

“Just take the damn vaccine.” —Jordan Peterson
 

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Shill Alert:


Yawn. I know everyone throws out the word racist and anti-semite so much that it has lost all meaning but you really do fit the category. Your free to believe what you do I guess but I hope you change your views one day.
 

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Shill Alert:

“Just take the damn vaccine.” —Jordan Peterson

Haha, I wanted to say what a scumbag. But I‘m pretty sure he has severe brain damage from his drug abuse and experimental treatment in russia and doesn‘t really understand what is going on anymore.
 

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Haha, I wanted to say what a scumbag. But I‘m pretty sure he has severe brain damage from his drug abuse and experimental treatment in russia and doesn‘t really understand what is going on anymore.
He appears to be another Kremlin-controlled stooge, like the rest of them. Controlled opposition everywhere.

He definitely knows what's going on. There will be a warm place in hell for traitors.
 

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KGB asset Peterson in Moscow with his daughter Mikhaila.

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Your conspiracy theories are so ridiculous that a small part of me thinks you're just a troll or maybe that is wishful thinking. If you really believe that Peterson is a "Russian asset" well good luck with your delusions if it makes you feel better believing every conspiracy theory under the sun usually is just a coping mechanism that people who are insecure use to feel in control because "they know the truth".

I'd reccomend S|tephen Law's book, "Believing bull****, how not to get sucked into intellectual black holes"
 
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