Frankdee20
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Clonazepam is a much longer acting benzo than alprazolam, I am surprised it is not touted as easier to withdraw from than XANAX and ATIVAN (shorter acting).
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Regarding benzos though, I have a question. Is it habitual use that leads to physical dependence an issue or is rare use on some really hard days also just as bad? They've saved me from some intense panic attacks.
In the testimonial I posted from Gary Halbert above, he stated its usually from longer term habitual use, but cautioned it could happen in as little as 15 days. Truly rare use **might** be okay, but I have been wary of them ever since reading that. Personally, I wouldn't even risk a single time use.
I agree with this. It's something that I thought about when I was starting to see some of his interviews. Not that I think he only says useless things, but it's important to think before following what he says.I would not follow JPs advice / wisdom on Self Improvement. His whole worldview has been altered from depression. Always pay attention to these details.
Recently JP almost died several times from being mistreated by his doctors, and then fled to Russia to get properly treated, at which point he was put into coma because he was on the brink of death from bilatelar pneumonia resulting from his previous treatment. But he seems to have survived, almost paralysed but regaining function slowly. GG western medicine and convincing rationality demonstrated by the man who teaches to "just tough it out". Perhaps he found a new perspective that toughing through sociopathic treatment is not very wise, and so sad it had to be learned through a series of meetings with our creator.
I agree in principle, but he's someone with an Aristotelian orientation, just like Peat. Context is important, but his philosophy as a whole fits neatly with Peat's and supports everything we're doing on this forum. Nobody is infallible.I agree with this. It's something that I thought about when I was starting to see some of his interviews. Not that I think he only says useless things, but it's important to think before following what he says.
What parts of his philosophy are in any way like Peat's ideas?
I already explained that they’re both Aristotelian.What parts of his philosophy are in any way like Peat's ideas?
but I was a little surprised that it was Clonazepam that gave him the issues . After looking it up ,I know now ,it works through raising GABA levels, which is pretty peaty I would say.
It seems to have strong dependency potential in some people, though.
I had to think of Phenibut that also raises GABA levels and I remember from researching it a few years ago that some people said it was hell to get off of it . I actually use it from time to time ,so occasional use is no problem at all and probably elongates your life span through stress reduction .
Perhaps, a viable strategy & solution (for general withdrawal) would be to employ a synergistic variety of pharmacological mechanisms, known to reset drug tolerances & effectively dampen patterning associated with 'drug-habituation'.
Iboga possess many of these mechanisms, but legality is an issue. Iboga 'pushes' the user to face their emotional/mental 'issues', whilst performing the necessary physical rewiring. It's ideal for heroin 'addicts'... (but i doubt the iboga clinics use Peat-style substances to strengthen metabolism!)
(NMDA antagonism is a prime approach for dampening the neuro-patterns of 'drug-habituation'. Ketamine/memantine are also useful tools for resetting accumulated drug tolerances. Ketamine promotes neurogenesis via mTOR)
Perhaps a more OTC approach would involve:
- Agmatine (NMDA antagonist, neurogenesis via mTOR, allopregnanolone increase, Opioid potentiation, cannabinoid potentiation)
- Palmitoylethanolamide (endocannabinoid properties, allopregnanolone increase, PPAR involvement)
- Magnesium (NMDA antagonist etc)
- Memantine (alpha 7 NACh antagonist, D2 agonist)
- GABA Positive Allosteric Modulator's (PAM) (many to choose from, including essential oils)
- Blue Lotus/Corydalis Yanhusuo (upregulates & balances the dopamine system)
- Optional: KOR agonist - this stimulates upregulation of the D2 reward system. the dysphoria/fear from Kappa 'receptor stimulation' might be OTT/undesirable though... (eg Hesperidin, Menthol)
- Some typical Peat-style substances to block cortisol/serotonin, promote ATP/mitochondria etc
- ...and strong potent will-power!