Ivermectin, the CURE to homosexuality?

[HumanLife]

Yikes… :I Did not expect this thread to go this way. How I wrote the title reflected best how I felt upon reading the image. The thoughts I wanted brought up is to consider the legitimacy of the claim to see if it had any validity. There is no anti-gay sentiment, just like how there is no anti-sick people sentiment when considering changes what one can do to remove their sickness. The “cure” in the title is also matching what the OP in the image claimed it was, so you can see more how I came up with that title.

 

[oldfriend]

Yikes… :I Did not expect this thread to go this way. How I wrote the title reflected best how I felt upon reading the image. The thoughts I wanted brought up is to consider the legitimacy of the claim to see if it had any validity. There is no anti-gay sentiment, just like how there is no anti-sick people sentiment when considering changes what one can do to remove their sickness. The “cure” in the title is also matching what the OP in the image claimed it was, so you can see more how I came up with that title.

I fully believe you, but the post you linked and the wording of the title set a certain tone, and the thread got a little of hand. There were several impassioned arguments made that support the idea that homosexuality is something to be cured, the word fa gg ot was used and not censored for some reason, statistics that I have only been able to find in anti-gay propaganda were shared and I was surprised that very few people seemed to take issue with any of this. May not seem like a big deal to some, but it's just feeling the straw that breaks the camels back. If there's an option to delete my account I probably will. Peace

 

[Perry Staltic]

I fully believe you, but the post you linked and the wording of the title set a certain tone, and the thread got a little of hand. There were several arguments made that support the idea that homosexuality is something to be cured, the word fa gg ot was used and not censored for some reason, statistics that I have only been able to find in anti-gay propaganda were shared and I was surprised that very few people seemed to take issue with any of this. May not seem like a big deal to some, but it's just feeling the straw that breaks the camels back. If there's an option to delete my account I probably will. Peace

You calling us anti-gay would be like us calling you anti-hetero.

 

[oldfriend]

You calling us anti-gay would be like us calling you anti-hetero.

I wouldn't classify the forum as anti-gay, but after today would describe some of the people in it that way. I think there has been a lot of conversative alt-right-types flooding into the forum over the last or so, a LOT of negativity and fear-mongering about the pandemic and it's societal fallout, threads praising serial killers, and black dancing better and ***t. Some dude called me 'sweetie'. Place is turning into a ******* cesspool.

 

[LuMonty]

@oldfriend I have read your posts. To me, seeing as you're aware of the dopamine connection and I assume the prenatal stress ideas (last son born, estrogen, stress in general) I'd agree that it's complex. Oh, also the Czech study about androsterone. What I see an issue with is you seem tone deaf to your own points. Sure, people on (cross-sex) hormones can have sexual desire change. There are examples of parasitic organisms having mind altering effects, such as toxoplasmosis and cordyceps.

Yet your comeback was it's emotionalism, homophobia, disgust. Serotonin actually goes up in response to disgust (see attachment, bonus it's also about parasites). Post #131 is a real kneeslapper: society can make gay men promiscuous because of "invalidation." What else can they force you to do? It seems to me you should sort yourself out if that's the case.

As I've been drafting this, you say there's a lot of negativity about the pandemic. Are you feeling well? Mega-Corporations that are practically extra-governmental are buying everything, inflation is already rampant, and most governments are trying to or are applying totalitarian measures. It would ludicrous not to have a so-called negative reaction. I'm starting to think there's a reason you can't get along with certain people here, and it's nothing to do with being gay.

 

[oldfriend]

I have read your posts. To me, seeing as you're aware of the dopamine connection and I assume the prenatal stress ideas (last son born, estrogen, stress in general) I'd agree that it's complex. Oh, also the Czech study about androsterone. What I see an issue with is you seem tone deaf to your own points. Sure, people on (cross-sex) hormones can have sexual desire change. There are examples of parasitic organisms having mind altering effects, such as toxoplasmosis and cordyceps.

Yet your comeback was it's emotionalism, homophobia, disgust. Serotonin actually goes up in response to disgust (see attachment, bonus it's also about parasites). Post #131 is a real kneeslapper: society can make gay men promiscuous because of "invalidation." What else can they force you to do? It seems to me you should sort yourself out if that's the case.

As I've been drafting this, you say there's a lot of negativity about the pandemic. Are you feeling well? Mega-Corporations that are practically extra-governmental are buying everything, inflation is already rampant, and most governments are trying to or are applying totalitarian measures. It would ludicrous not to have a so-called negative reaction. I'm starting to think there's a reason you can't get along with certain people here, and it's nothing to do with being gay.

I don't discount any of what you said in the first paragraph, that parasites can alter behavior for instance, I just think this theory may overlook how gays get parasitic infections in the first place. It's fairly common knowledge in the gay community that parasitic organism are transmitted through anal sex. I also think that most people with parasitic infections do not turn gay and are not gay. The rest of what you said seems disingenuous and like you are baiting me into more pointless argument, maybe for sport? IDK. I'm out of here. Peace

 

[LuMonty]

I don't discount any of what you said in the first paragraph, that parasites can alter behavior for instance, I just think this theory may overlook how gays get parasitic infections in the first place. It's fairly common knowledge in the gay community that parasitic organism are transmitted through anal sex. I also think that most people with parasitic infections do not turn gay and are not gay. The rest of what you said seems disingenuous and like you are baiting me into a pointless argument.

If you want an actual discussion, you've made the following points; defend or concede them.

First: your omniscience must prove you know that parasites do not cause or influence homosexual behavior in order to multiply; I think you'll find this impossible.
Next you will explain or concede on the point of disgust. Certainly I am not baiting by interacting with the point you brought up.
Finally, though off-topic, just for amusement, explain your view on the pandemic and how being wise to the going-ons is overreacting and negative.

 

[oldfriend]

If you want an actual discussion, you've made the following points; defend or concede them.

First: your omniscience must prove you know that parasites do not cause or influence homosexual behavior in order to multiply; I think you'll find this impossible.
Next you will explain or concede on the point of disgust. Certainly I am not baiting by interacting with the point you brought up.
Finally, though off-topic, just for amusement, explain your view on the pandemic and how being wise to the going-ons is overreacting and negative.

Ugh.
First: I made no such claim, I just think it's a weak and poorly considered theory as I illustrated in my last post.
Second: I find those little quips about serotonin, like the one Peater made, to be trite and that was that my counter. I wasn't planning to write a dissertation on the topic. I think the importance of disgust is being highly overexagerated, that it is often arbitrary and serves no real purpose, and often times things that signal disgust can actually be quite delicious and/or healthy (meat, durian etc.). The reason I brought this up was the recent effect a serotonin antagonist had on my perception of things I normally find disgusting.
Third: It's simple, I don't want to dwell on it or worry any more than I have to and think predisposes one to health issues.

 

[mamakitty]

Don't know what you call that then sweetie.

sweaty*
FTFY ?

 

[mamakitty]

“Attacked” LOL. Why do you people always pull the victim card when all else backfires?

And anyone who disagrees with me is a tRolL

 

[BRBsavinWorld]

Some Ray Peat opinions may be helpful. I actually asked him a question about homiesexuality and hormones.

It’s at 1:38:23


View: https://youtu.be/Pdb_xOl3GJY

 

[oldfriend]

Some Ray Peat opinions may be helpful. I actually asked him a question about homiesexuality and hormones.

It’s at 1:38:23


View: https://youtu.be/Pdb_xOl3GJY

"Everyone is abnormal in some way", Exactly.
I think I've heard Ray talk about homosexuality before, and I think his opinion is pretty well aligned with epigenetic theories. I have no doubt that hormones play a role, as they do in so many different facets of life and personality. Like I said before, I don't think there is reliable way to change one's sexual orientation with hormone therapy. I'm certainly not willing to undergo gender reassignment therapies only to become a lesbian.

 

[LuMonty]

Ugh.
First: I made no such claim, I just think it's a weak and poorly considered theory as I illustrated in my last post.
Second: I find those little quips about serotonin, like the one Peater made, to be trite and that was that my counter. I wasn't planning to write a dissertation on the topic. I think the importance of disgust is being highly overexagerated, that it is often arbitrary and serves no real purpose, and often times things that signal disgust can actually be quite delicious and/or healthy (meat, durian etc.). The reason I brought this up was the recent effect a serotonin antagonist had on my perception of things I normally find disgusting.
Third: It's simple, I don't want to dwell on it or worry any more than I have to and think predisposes one to health issues.

To be fair to you, I assumed that's what you meant. Your remark about disgust here is also good because it's a point that can be discussed without being a dissertation. That being said it seems that the effort you're willing to give is low and also the other problem I see is you're trying to argue an indefensible position. So you think parasites have no effect, but you spent the time to argue with people, then when they disagree it's an attack. There's no sense to it. While you may find the "homophobic" comments distasteful, so long as the level of discourse is as low as making off-handed claims, what is there to really complain about?

 

[CiggyTardust]

I wouldn't classify the forum as anti-gay, but after today would describe some of the people in it that way. I think there has been a lot of conversative alt-right-types flooding into the forum over the last or so, a LOT of negativity and fear-mongering about the pandemic and it's societal fallout, threads praising serial killers, and black dancing better and ***t. Some dude called me 'sweetie'. Place is turning into a ******* cesspool.

Go back to Reddit if you want a safe space with policed speech. Anyway who are you to decide what is acceptable discourse and what isn't? Just because you disagree with these views it's "problematic"?

Congratulations, you're the internet equivalent of a hall monitor.

 

[oldfriend]

To be fair to you, I assumed that's what you meant. Your remark about disgust here is also good because it's a point that can be discussed without being a dissertation. That being said it seems that the effort you're willing to give is low and also the other problem I see is you're trying to argue an indefensible position. So you think parasites have no effect, but you spent the time to argue with people, then when they disagree it's an attack. There's no sense to it. While you may find the "homophobic" comments distasteful, so long as the level of discourse is as low as making off-handed claims, what is there to really complain about?

I already conceded that parasites can alter behavior. But the reason homosexuals are at higher risk of infection with parasitic organisms is anal sex. Kind of a chicken egg problem. Have some men become attracted to other men after becoming infected? No idea, I don't think it's common though. The discussion was not exactly centered around this topic though, and I don't think your assessment of the situation is all that fair. You seem to be want to see me as the bad guy and policing your right to think homosexuals are pedophiles and call other people fa*got, stupid, professionally offended, etc. Your priorities are just ****88 I guess, nothing I can do about that.

 

[BRBsavinWorld]

"Everyone is abnormal in some way", Exactly.
I think I've heard Ray talk about homosexuality before, and I think his opinion is pretty well aligned with epigenetic theories. I have no doubt that hormones play a role, as they do in so many different facets of life and personality. Like I said before, I don't think there is reliable way to change one's sexual orientation with hormone therapy. I'm certainly not willing to undergo gender reassignment therapies only to become a lesbian.

“Everyone is abnormal in some way” ≠ “everyone should be abnormal in some way” or “we should not try and improve upon an abnormality”

 

[BRBsavinWorld]

"Everyone is abnormal in some way", Exactly.

I think I've heard Ray talk about homosexuality before, and I think his opinion is pretty well aligned with epigenetic theories. I have no doubt that hormones play a role, as they do in so many different facets of life and personality. Like I said before, I don't think there is reliable way to change one's sexual orientation with hormone therapy. I'm certainly not willing to undergo gender reassignment therapies only to become a lesbian.

"Everyone is abnormal in some way", Exactly.
I think I've heard Ray talk about homosexuality before, and I think his opinion is pretty well aligned with epigenetic theories. I have no doubt that hormones play a role, as they do in so many different facets of life and personality. Like I said before, I don't think there is reliable way to change one's sexual orientation with hormone therapy. I'm certainly not willing to undergo gender reassignment therapies only to become a lesbian.

To be clear: I have sympathy for anyone who’s abnormal. I’ve had strong symptoms of ADHD, mild aspergers, anxiety, homosexual thoughts as a teenager, extreme sexual desire never satisfied with porn and masturbation, and a plethora of gut issues. I won’t make a gay person feel ashamed, but I love the improvements I’ve experienced in some issues, and I will insist that if it’s possible for others, they are shortchanging themselves by not entertaining the idea.

I won’t just say it’s fine to hold covetously to one abnormality because the current culture defends it so well. I heard that statement of his as if it was establishing wrongness of condemning a homosexual because of their abnormalities (others are no better).

 

[Perry Staltic]

the reason homosexuals are at higher risk of infection with parasitic organisms is anal sex.

As Confucious say, "Man who go wrong way on one-way street get ticket."

 

[Dr. B]

Some Ray Peat opinions may be helpful. I actually asked him a question about homiesexuality and hormones.

It’s at 1:38:23


View: https://youtu.be/Pdb_xOl3GJY

what did he say on it?

 

[LuMonty]

I already conceded that parasites can alter behavior. But the reason homosexuals are at higher risk of infection with parasitic organisms is anal sex. Kind of a chicken egg problem. Have some men become attracted to other men after becoming infected? No idea, I don't think it's common though. The discussion was not exactly centered around this topic though, and I don't think your assessment of the situation is all that fair. You seem to be want to see me as the bad guy and policing your right to think homosexuals are pedophiles and call other people fa*got, stupid, professionally offended, etc. Your priorities are just ****88 I guess, nothing I can do about that.

I can see that this guy once again abandoned his account but it's no wonder: this level of discourse is useless. How many times did this guy change his mind on what was discussed, or what he thinks? And it didn't matter because it was still the same fatalism, that it probably doesn't matter. Perceive, think, act?

More importantly, I should probably apologize to everyone in this topic telling oldfriend to go back to reddit because it's clear I wasted my time trying to define terms and what was actually being discussed. I never accused this guy of any of the things he said. Professional victim is an understatement.
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@Mr.Bollox in the video, Ray talks about how prenatal and early life stress is pretty reliable in causing homosexuality. He says that everyone is abnormal in some way and law shouldn't be involved. Haidut asks him if he's seen a study that finasteride could reliably induce homosexuality, to which Ray chuckles and says he hasn't.