Ivermectin - How safe is it?

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Some have emailed Peat to get his opinion on Ivermectin safety.
Asking about Ivermectin;
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"It isn’t something I would use, there are so many protective things without the risks."
Me: If the spike proteins are so easily transmissible and so dangerous, might ivermectin and HCQ be reasonable prophylactic measures for someone exposed to vaccinated people daily?

RP: Ivermectin has been associated with brain damage in a small percentage of users, so I don’t think it’s suitable for prolonged preventive use. Vitamin D, aspirin, antihistamines, aspirin, progesterone, etc. are safer.

Here are a few studies talking about safety.

In conclusion, there is evidence that serious neurological adverse events can occur with ivermectin beyond the treatment of O. volvulus complicated by concomitant high burden L. loa infection. Potential explanations include concomitantly administered drugs which inhibit CYP3A4 and polymorphisms in the mdr-1 gene. By comparison with the extensive post marketing experience with ivermectin in the successful treatment of parasitic infections, the total number of reported cases suggests that such events are likely rare. However, elucidation of individual-level risk factors could contribute to therapeutic decisions that can minimize harms. Further investigation into the potential for drug interactions and explorations of polymorphisms in the mdr-1 gene are recommended.

Ivermectin is a widely used drug for the treatment and control of several neglected tropical diseases.1 The drug has an excellent safety profile, with more than 2.5 billion doses distributed in the last 30 years, and its potential to reduce malaria transmission by killing mosquitoes is under evaluation in several trials around the world.2 Ivermectin inhibits the in vitro replication of some positive, single-stranded RNA viruses, namely, dengue virus (DNV),35 Zika virus,4,6 yellow fever virus,7,8 and others.4,7,9

First, ivermectin, which targets glutamate-gated chlorine channels in invertebrates, may cross-target the GABA-gated chlorine channels present in the mammalian central nervous system (CNS) and cause neurotoxicity.19 This is normally prevented by an intact blood–brain barrier (BBB), but in patients with a hyperinflammatory state, endothelial permeability at the BBB may be increased and cause leaking of drugs into the CNS, potentially causing harm.20,21

Ivermectin (IVM) is used for onchocerciasis mass drug administration and is important for control of lymphatic filariasis, strongyloidiases and Scarcoptes mange in humans. It is widely used for parasite control in livestock. Moxidectin (MOX) is being evaluated against Onchocerca volvulus in humans and is also widely used in veterinary medicine. Both anthelmintics are macrocyclic lactones (MLs) that act on ligand-gated chloride channels and share similar spectra of activity. Nevertheless, there are marked differences in their pharmacokinetics, pharmacodynamics and toxicity. Usually, both MLs are remarkably safe drugs. However, there are reports of severe adverse events to IVM, in some humans with high Loa loa burdens, and IVM can be neurotoxic in animals with defects in P-glycoproteins (P-gp) in the blood-brain barrier. We have compared the in vivo neurotoxicity of IVM and MOX in P-gp-deficient mice and their accumulation in brain. We also investigated their effects on mammalian GABA receptors. We show that MOX has a wider margin of safety than IVM, even when the blood-brain barrier function is impaired, and that the neurotoxicity in vivo is related to different effects of the drugs on GABA-gated channels. These observations contribute to understanding ML toxicity and open new perspectives for possible MOX use in humans.
 

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Very interesting thread Mito. This investigation is very needed. But...

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"more than 2.5 billion doses distributed in the last 30 years"

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"Of the serious reports, 60.9% (95) originated from Africa, 20.5% (32) from the Americas, 12.2% (19) from Europe, and 6.4% (10) from Asia. One duplicate report was identified and excluded from the analysis."

So that makes 95+32+19+10=156. And of those, some of them were dropped because of confounding factors like other drugs administered at the same time, etc... and of those, even less had permanent damage/death.

You do the math man.
 

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From the abstract:
This study demonstrated that ivermectin is generally well tolerated at these higher doses and more frequent regimens.
 

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According to this study, there was no observable relation between the plasma concentration after a single oral dose (150 μg/kg) and the occurrence of adverse reactions. Neither parasite load nor ivermectin concentrations had an influence on the occurrence of adverse reactions in the entire group of patients.

The tissue distribution of ivermectin was similar in healthy and onchocerciasis volunteers treated orally. So, infection with Onchocerca volvulusdoes not appear to affect the distribution of this drug. The compound was present in fat, skin, subcutaneous fascia and nodules and in worm fragments. Fat showed the highest and most persistent levels, whilst values for skin, nodular tissues, and worms were comparable, being the lowest concentrations found in the subcutaneous fascia (12).

Regarding bleeding disorders, haematomatous swellings were reported in 2 out of 28 onchocerciasis patients treated with ivermectin (150 μg/kg), and prothrombin times were significantly above baseline by one week to one month after drug ingestion, suggesting an antagonist effect against vitamin K (31). Nevertheless, in other 20 subjects, no changes were observed in prothrombin nor in thromboplastin times compared with baseline results, during 13 days after the ingestion of 220–420 μg/kg of ivermectin (32); bleeding disorders were not found in 15,000 patients treated with ivermectin (150 μg/kg) (33).

Conclusion: Although the efficacy of ivermectin has been established in humans against several parasite diseases, the pharmacokinetic properties of this compound are less well known in humans compared to animals. Potential drug-drug interactions and drug-food interactions exist for ivermectin, which should be considered during therapeutic use of this drug.
 
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Very interesting thread Mito. This investigation is very needed. But...

POINT1
"more than 2.5 billion doses distributed in the last 30 years"

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"Of the serious reports, 60.9% (95) originated from Africa, 20.5% (32) from the Americas, 12.2% (19) from Europe, and 6.4% (10) from Asia. One duplicate report was identified and excluded from the analysis."

So that makes 95+32+19+10=156. And of those, some of them were dropped because of confounding factors like other drugs administered at the same time, etc... and of those, even less had permanent damage/death.

You do the math man.
Sounds like the neurotoxicity occurs when IVM crosses the BBB which only occurs when the BBB is in a hyper-inflammatory state.
 

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Sounds like the neurotoxicity occurs when IVM crosses the BBB which only occurs when the BBB is in a hyper-inflammatory state.
Exactly. Isn't covid an hyper-inflammatory state? Hmm...
 

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I am following Ray's thoughts and Haidut's thoughts.
21:17 - Ray's thoughts on ivermectin, vitamin D, coronavirus
 
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I am following Ray's thoughts and Haidut's thoughts.
21:17 - Ray's thoughts on ivermectin, vitamin D, coronavirus
It was discussed again at 1:14:29. Proponents of Ivermectin point to its ability to break to spike protein’s bond to ACE2, which is a good thing. But there’s another way to look at this. The spike protein binding to ACE2 inactivates it, creating a pathological imbalance between ACE1 and ACE2. If there is not enough ACE2 to inactivate ACE1, that allows for pathological inflammation. Things that increase ACE2 and/or decrease ACE1 can reseat the balance without needing to break the ACE2-spike protein bond. Georgi said there are studies showing that progesterone can increase ACE2 and decrease ACE1.
 

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I am following Ray's thoughts and Haidut's thoughts.
21:17 - Ray's thoughts on ivermectin, vitamin D, coronavirus
Did Haidut refer to "Kuinone" after mention methylene blue? It sounded more like "Quinine", but I am not sure.
 
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Dr. Been (Mobeen Syed) and Dr. Paul Marik discussing developments in COVID, many questions regarding ivermectin starting around 50 minutes.

Video streamed today, June 30,2021.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4gkLn-z4II

Question (at 00:55:00): How long can I take ivermectin as prophylaxis?

Professor Marik: That is a good question, and partially unknown, although we do have studies showing that pretty long term ivermectin is safe. We have studies from Argentina, we have a group in France that are looking at continuous Ivermectin dosing, primarily to prevent Malaria... the best data we have is that you can take it for as long as you need to take it.


Question (at 01:19:15): What about anti-histamines for treatment, and when to start?

Professor Marik: In terms of antihistamines, we don't know. There was excitement several months ago, particularly with famotidine, which is an H2 histamine blocker, however with time the data hasn't panned out as strongly as it initially did, so the role of H2 blockers is unclear, and similarly the role of H1 blockers in acute COVID is unclear.
 
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My question (I trimmed the unrelevant parts) :
I have recently heard a podcast of you with Danny and Georgi where you state "1 out of 1000 people treated with ivermectin for parasites show signs of brain damage".

I have reviewed literature on pubmed and I couldn't find any figures like those you mention, not even close. Do you have the references for those papers?
Ray's answer:
That’s my guess based on the occurrence of defective P-glycoprotein and the additional inhibition of that brain-protective protein by ivermectin.

The abamectin derivative ivermectin is a potent P-glycoprotein inhibitor.
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Among the compounds endowed with the capacity to reverse the P-glycoprotein (Pgp)-mediated multidrug resistance of cancer cells, a powerful agent was found to be the cyclosporin D derivative SDZ PSC 833. After in vivo treatment with SDZ PSC 833, mice showed a decreased tolerability to cyclosporin A (CsA), but also to ivermectin, a widely used polycyclic lactone pesticide of Streptomyces avermitilis origin. The sequels were suggestive of CsA- or ivermectin-induced central nervous system dysfunction; they were interpreted as caused by the neutralization of the Pgp at the blood-brain barrier level, implying that CsA and ivermectin were Pgp substrates. CsA was already known to display both Pgp substrate and Pgp inhibitor properties. It now appears that ivermectin may also inhibit Pgp function. When compared in short-term assays for Pgp function inhibition, which measure the restoration of the retention of two Pgp probes in multidrug-resistant (MDR) cells to their parental (Par) cell levels, ivermectin appeared only a few fold weaker that SDZ PSC 833 in the case of murine monocytic leukemia MDR-P388 cells and nearly as active as SDZ PSC 833 in the case of human lymphocytic leukemia MDR-CEM cells. Therefore, like CsA or FK-506, ivermectin may also be a substrate and an inhibitor of Pgp.
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Joe Rogan features Bret Weinstein (biologist) and Dr. Pierre Cory (ICU and lung specialist) on his podcast, talking about COVID and ivermectin. The discussion about ivermectin begins at about (00:40:00). I can only find this podcast on Spotify.


View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D?si=bjGqFDEbSD6cKO82MyD9qw&dl_branch=1

Assorted quotations:

Pierre Cory (on ivermectin): The ones who took it weekly led to near perfect protection [from COVID] in a large population of healthcare workers. They also took it with a viricidal seaweed... so the best trials of prevention really had two molecules that were working in concert. In 788 healthcare workers who took this, not one of then got COVID over a 4 month period.

Bret Weinstein, continuing Cory's idea: "These were frontline workers, who were so thoroughly exposed to COVID, that 57% of the people in the 400 person control group, who didn't take ivermectin, did get COVID." (green starts at 01:02:00)
 
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Joe Rogan features Bret Weinstein (biologist) and Dr. Pierre Cory (ICU and lung specialist) on his podcast, talking about COVID and ivermectin. The discussion about ivermectin begins at about (00:40:00). I can only find this podcast on Spotify.


View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/7uVXKgE6eLJKMXkETwcw0D?si=bjGqFDEbSD6cKO82MyD9qw&dl_branch=1

Assorted quotations:

Pierre Cory (on ivermectin): The ones who took it weekly led to near perfect protection [from COVID] in a large population of healthcare workers. They also took it with a viricidal seaweed... so the best trials of prevention really had two molecules that were working in concert. In 788 healthcare workers who took this, not one of then got COVID over a 4 month period.

Bret Weinstein, continuing Cory's idea: "These were frontline workers, who were so thoroughly exposed to COVID, that 57% of the people in the 400 person control group, who didn't take ivermectin, did get COVID." (green starts at 01:02:00)

Great information, intelligent discussion. Thanks Vileplume!
 
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