It's hard to get a job without the advantages of nepotism and high social skills. Without education

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In the first place filling out an application is difficult. Each one takes 30-60 minutes to complete and many must be completed. It's hard to get ANY job, even the jobs that people say will hire anyone, that are easy to get. I saw a posting for a minimum wage job shoveling ***t. Literally shoveling ***t. The ad required applicants to be a certified sanitation worker and at least 2 years of related experience, in order to be qualified to shovel ***t. I have to lie about everything to get a job. Fake references and work experience hoping that they won't verify it. I have to lie at the interview. Research common questions and acceptable answers, make up stories about things that happened while I was working in the past, adopt a normal persona as much as possible for those 20 minutes and tell them what they want to hear. The process is grueling.

After a lot of time and effort, and with a lot of luck I am finally able to get a low paying part time job. Every day when I wake up to my alarm I weigh the pros and cons of going to work while feeling very tired. More tired every day. Within the first few weeks, I always call in sick. I do it a few times, actually. Then I get fired for abusing sick time. That happened to me twice before I learned that I can absolutely never call in sick or I will be fired. I decided that if I am sick I will go to work anyway and leave the decision of whether I'm well enough to work to my employer. A while later I got a job as a cashier in a supermarket. I had been very reclusive for months previously so I was very anxious, but could function at a level capable of customer - cashier interaction. I actually wrote a flow chart on an index card and kept it in my pocket to practice. Hi, how are you, fine and you, fine thanks, etc. My coworkers were all teenage women and they seemed upset when I didn't gossip with them about our other coworkers. Several times I was sent outside as a replacement for the cart jockey. I enjoyed that a lot more. The workplace gradually became hostile, after two weeks I had a panic attack and left in the middle of my shift. After that I was fired.

Some people say that it's fine if you aren't social at work. Find a job that doesn't require it and let your ability speak for you. I found a job at a manufacturing plant. I let my ability speak for me. It said that I am not an able person. I was a slow worker and frequently made mistakes. Parts would be cut in the wrong size, they would be packaged incorrectly. I repeatedly mishandled the machinery and was fired in three days. A year later I got a job repairing games in the back room of an arcade. This was a dream job for me. Full time work with enough pay that I would (barely) be able to support myself. During breaks I could also play the games for free. Thinking of moving out of my parents house I was seriously determined. I would go to work every day on time and try my best. Basically, I failed. It took me hours to do simple repairs that other employees could complete in minutes. I repeatedly damaged expensive boards due to poor knowledge of electronics. Eventually I was relegated to cleaning the exteriors and sweeping the floors. When my work was inspected they found many spots that were unsatisfactory to the extent that the manager basically re-cleaned everything himself. I lasted nearly two months before being fired.

Maybe I'm just not suited to this life. I'm willing to work hard to stay alive but it seems like working hard is not enough. I don't have the ability to get and keep a job. Especially with surplus labor and at will employment an employer can hire very selectively and fire at a whim for any reason at all. I don't know what to do with these feelings of frustration. I want to support myself but I can't. My parents only think that I'm lazy of course and taking advantage of them so soon they won't support me either. This kind of social darwinism is really cruel.

There are so many things wrong with society that the aggregate result is people suffering when they would have so much to offer in other circumstances. I don't know how to fix society and even if I had an idea I would never be so arrogant as to try to change things, for fear of making it worse. But when people in remote tribes are found to be happier than those in industrialized nations, you have to wonder whether any change is worth trying.

In the 60s, you could go to high school, graduate and work in your local factory or do construction and make enough to support a families necessities. Get a promotion or two and you could do alright for yourself. Today owning your own house, having a good car and having a wife+kids is practically unheard of for under 35s and simply having a fulltime job that pays over minimum wage and having an OKish car is a challenge.

At this point, people figured out you would actually need a degree to get ahead. Problem is everyone started going to college, and now a bachelor's degree is the equivalent of what a high school diploma used to be. Inflation is high, college fees are the highest ever (and everybody and their dog has a degree) and wages are the same as decades back, welcome to 2015.
 

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In the first place filling out an application is difficult. Each one takes 30-60 minutes to complete and many must be completed. It's hard to get ANY job, even the jobs that people say will hire anyone, that are easy to get. I saw a posting for a minimum wage job shoveling s***. Literally shoveling s***. The ad required applicants to be a certified sanitation worker and at least 2 years of related experience, in order to be qualified to shovel s***. I have to lie about everything to get a job. Fake references and work experience hoping that they won't verify it. I have to lie at the interview. Research common questions and acceptable answers, make up stories about things that happened while I was working in the past, adopt a normal persona as much as possible for those 20 minutes and tell them what they want to hear. The process is grueling.

After a lot of time and effort, and with a lot of luck I am finally able to get a low paying part time job. Every day when I wake up to my alarm I weigh the pros and cons of going to work while feeling very tired. More tired every day. Within the first few weeks, I always call in sick. I do it a few times, actually. Then I get fired for abusing sick time. That happened to me twice before I learned that I can absolutely never call in sick or I will be fired. I decided that if I am sick I will go to work anyway and leave the decision of whether I'm well enough to work to my employer. A while later I got a job as a cashier in a supermarket. I had been very reclusive for months previously so I was very anxious, but could function at a level capable of customer - cashier interaction. I actually wrote a flow chart on an index card and kept it in my pocket to practice. Hi, how are you, fine and you, fine thanks, etc. My coworkers were all teenage women and they seemed upset when I didn't gossip with them about our other coworkers. Several times I was sent outside as a replacement for the cart jockey. I enjoyed that a lot more. The workplace gradually became hostile, after two weeks I had a panic attack and left in the middle of my shift. After that I was fired.

Some people say that it's fine if you aren't social at work. Find a job that doesn't require it and let your ability speak for you. I found a job at a manufacturing plant. I let my ability speak for me. It said that I am not an able person. I was a slow worker and frequently made mistakes. Parts would be cut in the wrong size, they would be packaged incorrectly. I repeatedly mishandled the machinery and was fired in three days. A year later I got a job repairing games in the back room of an arcade. This was a dream job for me. Full time work with enough pay that I would (barely) be able to support myself. During breaks I could also play the games for free. Thinking of moving out of my parents house I was seriously determined. I would go to work every day on time and try my best. Basically, I failed. It took me hours to do simple repairs that other employees could complete in minutes. I repeatedly damaged expensive boards due to poor knowledge of electronics. Eventually I was relegated to cleaning the exteriors and sweeping the floors. When my work was inspected they found many spots that were unsatisfactory to the extent that the manager basically re-cleaned everything himself. I lasted nearly two months before being fired.

Maybe I'm just not suited to this life. I'm willing to work hard to stay alive but it seems like working hard is not enough. I don't have the ability to get and keep a job. Especially with surplus labor and at will employment an employer can hire very selectively and fire at a whim for any reason at all. I don't know what to do with these feelings of frustration. I want to support myself but I can't. My parents only think that I'm lazy of course and taking advantage of them so soon they won't support me either. This kind of social darwinism is really cruel.

There are so many things wrong with society that the aggregate result is people suffering when they would have so much to offer in other circumstances. I don't know how to fix society and even if I had an idea I would never be so arrogant as to try to change things, for fear of making it worse. But when people in remote tribes are found to be happier than those in industrialized nations, you have to wonder whether any change is worth trying.

In the 60s, you could go to high school, graduate and work in your local factory or do construction and make enough to support a families necessities. Get a promotion or two and you could do alright for yourself. Today owning your own house, having a good car and having a wife+kids is practically unheard of for under 35s and simply having a fulltime job that pays over minimum wage and having an OKish car is a challenge.

At this point, people figured out you would actually need a degree to get ahead. Problem is everyone started going to college, and now a bachelor's degree is the equivalent of what a high school diploma used to be. Inflation is high, college fees are the highest ever (and everybody and their dog has a degree) and wages are the same as decades back, welcome to 2015.

I find your quote about people in the sixties interesting. It reminds me of a quote from DR. peat from vision and acceptance

13. If we reap what we sow, is any part of our culture or society presently sowing anything other than destruction that we will see the fruits of in the years to come?

Edward Bernays’ cigarettes as Torches of Freedom, football and boxing for gender equality, fit nicely with the program to enlarge the labor pool and increase profits, so now one full-time worker can’t support a family of four. The civil rights movements and cultural issues happened to fit into the elimination of the split between parties of workers and owners that gave the ruling class considerable trouble during the Roosevelt years. All the little decorative opportunities are to distract from the bigger oppression.

http://raypeatinsight.com/2015/01/29/or ... -ray-peat/
 

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jag2594 said:
13. If we reap what we sow, is any part of our culture or society presently sowing anything other than destruction that we will see the fruits of in the years to come?

Edward Bernays’ cigarettes as Torches of Freedom, football and boxing for gender equality, fit nicely with the program to enlarge the labor pool and increase profits, so now one full-time worker can’t support a family of four. The civil rights movements and cultural issues happened to fit into the elimination of the split between parties of workers and owners that gave the ruling class considerable trouble during the Roosevelt years. All the little decorative opportunities are to distract from the bigger oppression.

http://raypeatinsight.com/2015/01/29/or ... -ray-peat/

Wow, mind totally blown from reading that interview. I haven't seen much about Peat's own life, but that story about the US embassy shutting down his school in Mexico was fascinating.
 
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Why do you have to "own a house"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL-JF5I9tAg

Find out what you ARE good at... everyone has a gift! What makes you happy? Spend some time alone, preferably with nature, for a few days in a row and truly think uninterrupted on this. Make a list and then run everything through that list. Work on BEING happy; and you will actually be drawing positive energy toward you -- but this must have nothing to do with money or acquiring stuff. Think about being happy and sharing that energy/happiness with those around you. You may look to the left or right one day and realize that you have created heaven in the midst of this hellish nightmare created for us. CREATE YOUR OWN WORLD and LIVE!

:):
 

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I think you should work online. There are a lot of opportunities out there that pay at least as much or better than what you were making at those low-paying, uninspiring gigs.

If you don't like being around people you are going to hate working. If you don't like cleaning and repairing objects and floors you are going to suck at it. I think you probably were trying to get fired, trying to prove a point, which is that the way of the world does not work for you. There are things about it that are absolute dealbreakers.

That's cool. I actually did the same thing.

Most people go to work for the social benefits and rarely -- I mean there are exceptions such as academia and so on -- do it because they like or are even good at their jobs. They go because it makes them part of society; the reward for being part of society is a paycheck with which you can get a place to live and other social rewards. That's just how it works. I didn't create that and neither did you. If you don't like it, you don't have to do it.

You don't have to do it that way. You could do nothing -- or you could figure out another way to spend your time, and even make money -- even though it's harder and lonelier without the support of others.

you will find you's way.
 
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post 101286 I think you should work online. There are a lot of opportunities out there that pay at least as much or better than what you were making at those low-paying, uninspiring gigs.

If you don't like being around people you are going to hate working. If you don't like cleaning and repairing objects and floors you are going to suck at it. I think you probably were trying to get fired, trying to prove a point, which is that the way of the world does not work for you. There are things about it that are absolute dealbreakers.

That's cool. I actually did the same thing.

Most people go to work for the social benefits and rarely -- I mean there are exceptions such as academia and so on -- do it because they like or are even good at their jobs. They go because it makes them part of society; the reward for being part of society is a paycheck with which you can get a place to live and other social rewards. That's just how it works. I didn't create that and neither did you. If you don't like it, you don't have to do it.

You don't have to do it that way. You could do nothing -- or you could figure out another way to spend your time, and even make money -- even though it's harder and lonelier without the support of others.

you will find you's way.

Do you work online?
 
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post 101304 I used to. Now I just keep trying to figure out what the hell is wrong with me online. :)

Nice :cool: any tips?
 
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Sure --

Elance and Odesk are now Upwork. That pays about as much as you're willing to put into it -- without tremendous effort I made about 1500 a month writing ebooks. But if there's any kind of work you can do there's a market for it there.

There is also write.com and appen -- if you register with either of them there's a ton of cheap work to be had. It doesn't pay anything but it pays at least as much as most retail etc. Might as well do that instead of pushing a broom for eight hours.
 
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"Global network of specialists" is that me? :ss
 

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post 101310 "Global network of specialists" is that me? :ss
Just think about the support that you'll probably receive from this forum alone..
This still feels like a community that's interested and will support each other, especially for a noble cause like not having a boss or 9-5.
Many people might benefit from it, especially those that are too confused, lost, overloaded with information - considering that you write about health for general public..
 
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“We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”

― R. Buckminster Fuller
 

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After 5 years of being very sick I have to start an IT school in 1 month because I can't find work, I hate staying behind a computer but that's the only thing that I can study and do for now and I barely have enough money to eat well, buying supplements is hard. I tried to work on elance but there is too much competition. Life is hard. We should build a micronation with this kind of energy http://ecat.com/
 

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post 101308 Elance and Odesk are now Upwork. That pays about as much as you're willing to put into it -- without tremendous effort I made about 1500 a month writing ebooks. But if there's any kind of work you can do there's a market for it there.

Do you mind elaborating on this a little, Messtafarian? I've been thinking about picking up some freelance work on some of the sites around. Do you mean that you were writing fiction books? And did you have any qualifications before starting or did you do some low-pay work for clients to build up rep on the sites?

Thanks for any help you can give.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

We are approaching the end phase of capitalism.
This transitional phase will be hard for the majority of people.
What comes next? Nobody knows for sure.
But we will have to change anyway.

I try to keep optimistic about the future even though it looks so grim at the moment.

Gene Roddenberry imagined a different society and made it into a TV Show, which was popular back in the days.
Unimaginable to have such a progressive show on TV nowadays.


"The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity"
 
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