Is this forum Highjacked?

[yerrag]

I think anything that is contrary to Usury and other forms of parasitic incomes is compatible with bioenergetic sufficiency...

The idea that any Nation needs to rely on Private Banks for purchasing power is so insidious that one should reject every politician who does not harp on it as the single most important issue as completely insane! Only National Socialist Germany returned Money to its true Nature, in line with productive work, resources, and the general health of the Nation. Not even Marx, with all his focus on Capital, discussed the problem of Usury as the Gordian knot. He would rather strip people of their family farms and nationalize all productive industry which were built through generations of ingenuity and actual hard work! So forgive me if I support an "authoritarian" solution when the philanderers of Democratic states have proven to do nothing other than run cover for schemers and parasites.

Canto XLV by Ezra Pound | Poetry Foundation

With _Usura_

www.poetryfoundation.org

I have never heard anything said that is nice about Hitler.

To be fair, he did not start WWII. He was goaded on no end by Winston Churchill, who kept instigating aggression through air raids of Germany. And then the Zionist press, just pointed the finger at Hitler as the instigator.

Sounds familiar? Yup. That was what was done to Trump at the Jan 6 Capitol Riot. It's no coincidence the Zionist media keeps equating Trump to Hitler.

There is no better historian than David Irving to set the record straight. You can download his books, and you won't have enough time reading all of them.

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p.s. I was going to unwatch this thread, but can't help myself reading through the posts. I find it entertaining to see the different takes on the OP. And thank God is the RPF, and not FB nor Twitter and their censor-happy ways.

 

[michael94]

I have never heard anything said that is nice about Hitler.

To be fair, he did not start WWII. He was goaded on no end by Winston Churchill, who kept instigating aggression through air raids of Germany. And then the Zionist press, just pointed the finger at Hitler as the instigator.

Sounds familiar? Yup. That was what was done to Trump at the Jan 6 Capitol Riot. It's no coincidence the Zionist media keeps equating Trump to Hitler.

There is no better historian than David Irving to set the record straight. You can download his books, and you won't have enough time reading all of them.

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p.s. I was going to unwatch this thread, but can't help myself reading through the posts. I find it entertaining to see the different takes on the OP. And thank God is the RPF, and not FB nor Twitter and their censor-happy ways.

Irving was a very good historian although he backtracked on some of his Holocaust Revisionism, I dont know why. Maybe he was tired of being disenfranchised over it. He should have called Germar Rudolf as a witness in the Lipstadt Trial, who couldve easily addressed many of the claims that went unanswered there. The Judge even said so.

As for historical references, I can recommend Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor and What the World Rejected by Friedrich Stieve. Both very good and on Amazon.

And for the beginnings of WW2
archive.is/MrlzI

 

[KTownSatfats]

On the other hand, I have to mention this, imagine doing LSD just to end up with mainstream "muh bigotry and racism bad" beliefs.

Like, how must your mind work if after opening up your deepest layers of consciousness, disinhibiting the reality filtering, potentially meeting extradimensional entities and melting with the universe all you get is Intersectionality 101.

Niiice!

 

[KTownSatfats]

Exactly Charger, some people on this forum seem compelled to grab the slightest excuse to wave the bloody shirt and then retaliate with aggrieved self-righteous snark.

Not you though.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

I'd like to see more calm and collected good old-fashioned basic politeness here. Walking on eggshells writing here.

On Ray Peat Forum one would think there would be more building each other up instead of putting each other down. But I guess it's the nature of internet discussion, hard to read between the lines and stuff.

(before you smash the keyboard writing that I'm an authoritarian, snowflake, soy boy or self-righteous yeah yeah I confess)

 

[KTownSatfats]

If the thread is a nonstarter then why engage with it at all? If anything his point was proven with the aggression he was met with. Even had someone come at me sideways with sarcasm and I wasn't even the one that made the damn thread.

Don’t like sarcasm? Then let me be blunt. What the OP started with was an aggressive, arrogant attack. Mostly it seemed to be about his own self referenced superiority. Looking down on a rather large group collectively letting them know how wrong they are in his view. Your support of him equally an attack basically unsupported by evidence, I would say. More people than not replied logically and I was surprised at their calmness and patience. Others didn’t do well at all with advice from Mr. Holier than Thou. Was that really surprising? His criticisms were unfounded. He basically wanted to declare his superiority. Any aggression he met was dwarfed by his own. I see no problem with people being upset at his nastiness. Just being human.

 

[PurpleHeart]

@S-VV I never said bigotry etc is bad,
I just said I now understand the underlying mechanism better than ever.

Also as I said I found out many many stuff through psychedelics use,
Things that can't be written or discussed in a single thread.
Things that I would really like to put up for debate with other people.

But this forum is obviously not the place for intelligent conversation and debate any more.
No wonder almost all the old timers that used to engage in very interesting debates back in the day , are not around anymore.

It's clear to me why they left this place, posters here do not seem capable of intelligent debate.

Also for someone who's calling me a snowflake you seem to display the typical characteristics yourself more than anyone here.

Of course I'm gonna put my findings from psychedelic research up for debate but I am looking for the right forum to do it, since it will take a lot of time and I want good results, and this forum doesn't seem like the place for it anymore.

The quality of this forum degraded beyond any expectation, like I said I could barely find any of the old members active here, it's sad to witness a place of intelligent and constructive conversation and experimentation turn into this.

 

[Charger]

Don’t like sarcasm? Then let me be blunt. What the OP started with was an aggressive, arrogant attack. Mostly it seemed to be about his own self referenced superiority. Looking down on a rather large group collectively letting them know how wrong they are in his view. Your support of him equally an attack basically unsupported by evidence, I would say. More people than not replied logically and I was surprised at their calmness and patience. Others didn’t do well at all with advice from Mr. Holier than Thou. Was that really surprising? His criticisms were unfounded. He basically wanted to declare his superiority. Any aggression he met was dwarfed by his own. I see no problem with people being upset at his nastiness. Just being human.

The OP's post could've been articulated better, but he elaborated in another post that his belief was that hatred, racism, bigotry, etc. is reflective of high serotonin. Sounds like a discussion that people could possibly benefit from, OP included. Yet his assumption that many here are suffering from high serotonin is reinforced by either emotional, sarcastic, aggressive, or unconstructive responses.

I guess this is coming down to a matter of perception and what people are choosing to take away from his posts. I didn't take his original post as an attack but I also don't have my ego invested to the point where I'm going to take his (or anyone else's) opinions as personal attacks, nor would I take an opposing view as an attack like mine apparently are according to you.

What I took away from his post was, "Hatred, bigotry, racism = high serotonin."
What others took away, "I am better than and superior to you, I know all."

 

[boris]

@PurpleHeart You should try some of that empathy you talked about. Imagine someone adresses you in the way you adressed the forum as a whole:


"really toxic place full of authoritarians"

"browsing through some posts, all i could find was dogma ,authoritarianism, aggression, insults ,supporting the idea of society, racism , bigotry,
homophobia"

"This forum is full of serotonin dominant authoritarians"


You start off by attacking the forum as a whole and then you cry that no one understands you. Plenty of people ignored your very mean post and tried to engage in conversation with you, but you turned a blind eye on them and focused on all the "bad" people who put a mirror in your face. Every comment about you has been absolutely on point.

It's really ironic that everything you are critizing, is describing yourself to a tee and you are failing to realize it and how you are coming off to people.


"Authoritarianism and being stuck in a certain perspective about the world along with failure to realize that every creatures experiences the world very differently than you"

"Maybe the most important thing about high serotonin is how it makes you think you know everything"

"This forum is probably highjacked by people who think they have it all figured out"


.....That's you, dude ?. Lighten up a little and be thankful that people called you out on being kind of a douche. It's your chance to become a better person. Here is some of your own advice that you should take to heart.


"High metabolism low serotonin means , Empathy , courage , love , the ability to dream while awake, supporting others instead of putting others down"


If you didn't start off by putting others down, this whole thread would have gone differently. Many people only find Ray Peat after a long struggle with various health problems, don't expect everyone to be perfect.

 

[PurpleHeart]

All i did was express my opinion about this place and a great number of its current members, if that is an insult to you fine.

Look at me almost 100 comments trying to insult me and i don't care the least about it.
And all of you where soooooooo insulted by a general opinion about the Forum???

That's laughable and only solidifies my suspicions about serotonin and stress making you perceive everything as a personal attack.

Also am i really accused of superiority complex by a hitler supporter hahahah, absolute madness at its finest.

 

[Ben.]

Also am i really accused of superiority complex by a hitler supporter hahahah, absolute madness at its finest.

Saying things like that are not helping your case im afraid ...

Edit: One thing to keep in mind is that people who question the narrative and collect informations on their own will also end up with their own verdicts ... some which will be tied to emotions because it ties to health and political aspects. No wonder people will get into arguments here.

 

[boris]

I always thought the main value of psychedelics was introspection, realizations about self. Seems to be the opposite for Purpleheart, all about judging others.

 

[koreus]

Finally an unapologetic artist with a good heart. This is what the world needs right now.

 

[PurpleHeart]

I always thought the main value of psychedelics was introspection, realizations about self. Seems to be the opposite for Purpleheart, all about judging others.

So you are the Gatekeeper of the psychedelic experience too now?

Sorry about drawing my own conclusions from the psychedelic experience then, maybe i should stop experimenting and come to you great Guru for knowledge hahah.

I never judged anyone though, i just expressed my opinion about the bioenergetic view of specific behaviors and how this behaviors are displayed here, which is ironical since one would expect this place to be the last place for serotonin driven paranoia, fear, and hatred.

if its not then according to Bioenergetics from a Ray Peat perspective we are doing something wrong here, and instead of helping people lower serotonin and stress the opposite happens.

 

[boris]

You seem to be really on edge.

Some advice from the bottom of my heart: Stop taking mind altering drugs every day.

 

[PurpleHeart]

You seem to be really on edge.

True maybe this place is increasing my serotonin after all hahah.

Either way i didn't mean to startle you fellas i think that at least my post made a small impact here and people may start noticing more and more the phenomena of which i talk about, it would really be a disgrace for the ideas of a very fine researcher like peat to end up getting distorted and misused and end up hurting people instead of helping them, i am not saying that this is what's happening i'm just saying that according to my understanding this is where i see this going.

Also keep in mind that English isn't my mother tongue so maybe i come off as arrogant without intending to.

Also psychedelics taught me that sharing your opinion about things and debating is a great way for everyone to learn more about themselves, self exploration doesn't mean you have to live alone in the woods.

This was exactly my intention and i was greatly disappointed when it turned into a conflict.

 

[KTownSatfats]

The OP's post could've been articulated better, but he elaborated in another post that his belief was that hatred, racism, bigotry, etc. is reflective of high serotonin. Sounds like a discussion that people could possibly benefit from, OP included. Yet his assumption that many here are suffering from high serotonin is reinforced by either emotional, sarcastic, aggressive, or unconstructive responses.

I guess this is coming down to a matter of perception and what people are choosing to take away from his posts. I didn't take his original post as an attack but I also don't have my ego invested to the point where I'm going to take his (or anyone else's) opinions as personal attacks, nor would I take an opposing view as an attack like mine apparently are according to you.

What I took away from his post was, "Hatred, bigotry, racism = high serotonin."
What others took away, "I am better than and superior to you, I know all."

I don't take his ideas as a personal attack and that is not what I said. I said his post was general attack. On a large group. A group that I personally hold in pretty high esteem. They're certainly not perfect, but on the whole the majority tend to freely give information if they have it whenever anyone asks, plus they're extremely good about backing up any ideas with studies or where they gleaned whatever info. Also the majority are pretty logical in what they present, a quality in short supply these days. I personally treasure that.

What OP posted felt like a needless attack, and certainly bolstering his own self importance. Actually, I don't care if he's self important. But what he said felt like a rant against the members here and seemed unwarranted. Hatred, bigotry, racism? Yeah, those terms are thrown about excessively these days. Don't see a lot of it here. He wasn't that interested in the qualities of high serotonin. Let's be honest. He was calling people here hateful bigots, and that's a hateful thing to say.

 

[KTownSatfats]

All i did was express my opinion about this place and a great number of its current members, if that is an insult to you fine.

Look at me almost 100 comments trying to insult me and i don't care the least about it.
And all of you where soooooooo insulted by a general opinion about the Forum???

That's laughable and only solidifies my suspicions about serotonin and stress making you perceive everything as a personal attack.

Also am i really accused of superiority complex by a hitler supporter hahahah, absolute madness at its finest.

Dude you should not be defending yourself right now. Doesn't look good on you. Insults? I don't think so. More of mirrors. But hey, don't let me stop you. Keep on defending the indefensible.

 

[damngoodcoffee]

Also keep in mind that English isn't my mother tongue so maybe i come off as arrogant without intending to.

+ language is so limited by it's very nature. Everybody has a unique complex context for even perceiving a single word. We need to be careful not to get carried away by the first impression we get, and to try to get to know the individual and where he/she is coming from, instead of attacking a fixed image that may or may not be close to the real thing. That's a foundation for conversation.

I'm learning to do this as well and I always try to learn from really nasty comments too, if I've gotten the wrong image about something, how to communicate better etc.

To me, it's obvious that some here don't try at all. Making sarcastic remarks intended only to ridicule and hurt feelings is to me evidence of this. Attacks which keep the conversation from emerging.

 

[PurpleHeart]

Dude you should not be defending yourself right now. Doesn't look good on you. Insults? I don't think so. More of mirrors. But hey, don't let me stop you. Keep on defending the indefensible.

I am not defending anything, i am just making clear where i stand and what i mean, because i think people misunderstood my intentions.