Is There Science That Shows Basal Temps Are Indicative Of Thyroid Function?

[Connor888]

Broda Barnes said in his book, that waking temperatures below 97.8 could possibly indicate an underactive thyroid if there were no infection present or something else underlying that would interfere with someones basal temps besides a thyroid deficiency .. which I think would differ from what somebody would be told at their doctors, relying sometimes only on blood work

I know the research will probably exist, I'm just not sure where to look. When you search the internet for what 'normal' temperatures are in a person, the mainstream view differs with Broda Barnes a little. I remember reading that a temperature of around 36c (96.8) could be classed as normal, even though we would consider that far from optimal

If there are some studies that show underarm temp measurements are a good indicator of thyroid function, and what temps are normal/optimal, I would be really interested to read them, as I am new to this and would like to understand how taking ones temps can give insight into thyroid health

Thx

 

[ecstatichamster]

Oral or axillary temperatures correlate with basal metabolic rate. The best correlation is measuring carbon dioxide consumption. Dr. Peat has explained that measuring this was more common years ago, with a rather simple machine (somebody could build now) that measures carbon dioxide consumed during respiration. Meanwhile temperatures on a thermometer are largely reliable.

 

[milkboi]

I mean, take some T3 and watch your body temperature go up.

 

[Connor888]

I mean, take some T3 and watch your body temperature go up.

How long after taking thyroid hormone do you reckon it takes to notice an increase in temps? (NDT)

 

[boris]

When you search the internet for what 'normal' temperatures are in a person, the mainstream view differs with Broda Barnes a little.

So far scientifically it doesn't differ from Barnes view. It is established that 37°C bodytemperature is needed for many enzymes to function at full speed (reaction rate). Lower temperature means lower reaction rate means lower metabolism.

But since the whole world is starting to become hypothyropid I wouldn't be surprised if they are preparing to consider the low hypo temperatures as "the new normal":
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/98-6-degrees-fahrenheit-isnt-the-average-anymore.32548/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/decreasing-human-body-temperature-in-the-united-states-since-the-industrial-revolution.32389/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/lower-body-temperature-ranges-might-be-now-considered-normal-in-adults.29640/

Funny how the term "new normal" was coined by our friend @ecstatichamster way before Gates did it

measure a bunch of hypothyroid people = new "normal".

 

[Connor888]

So far scientifically it doesn't differ from Barnes view. It is established that 37°C bodytemperature is needed for many enzymes to function at full speed (reaction rate). Lower temperature means lower reaction rate means lower metabolism.

But since the whole world is starting to become hypothyropid I wouldn't be surprised if they are preparing to consider the low hypo temperatures as "the new normal":
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/98-6-degrees-fahrenheit-isnt-the-average-anymore.32548/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/decreasing-human-body-temperature-in-the-united-states-since-the-industrial-revolution.32389/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/lower-body-temperature-ranges-might-be-now-considered-normal-in-adults.29640/

Funny how the term "new normal" was coined by our friend @ecstatichamster way before Gates did it

Thank you very much for the links mate. I will give the studies on those threads a read shortly

 

[Connor888]

Oh, does anyone here recall Ray ever saying thyroid supplementation is necessary after age 40 I think it was? I can't remember if it was Ray that said it or someone else.. But I've seen it somewhere.. Just asking for my parents, who are showing signs of some thyroid struggle. Would be really interesting if there's a resource for this anywhere

 

[milkboi]

How long after taking thyroid hormone do you reckon it takes to notice an increase in temps? (NDT)

No experience with NDT, but generally, if the dose is sufficient, you should see a temp increase right away/a few hours after ingesting. I noticed tho that if I don't supply enough food my temps might be a bit higher than without exogenous thyroid but they remain at an un-euthyroid level as opposed to when I fuel myself adequately.

 

[milkboi]

Oh, does anyone here recall Ray ever saying thyroid supplementation is necessary after age 40 I think it was? I can't remember if it was Ray that said it or someone else.. But I've seen it somewhere.. Just asking for my parents, who are showing signs of some thyroid struggle. Would be really interesting if there's a resource for this anywhere

Define necessary... but yeah, for optimal health I think that could be an accurate statement for almost everyone. Doesn't mean younger humans couldn't profit from it too.

 

[Connor888]

No experience with NDT, but generally, if the dose is sufficient, you should see a temp increase right away/a few hours after ingesting. I noticed tho that if I don't supply enough food my temps might be a bit higher than without exogenous thyroid but they remain at an un-euthyroid level as opposed to when I fuel myself adequately.

Define necessary... but yeah, for optimal health I think that could be an accurate statement for almost everyone. Doesn't mean younger humans couldn't profit from it too.

Despite good diet and sticking with it for awhile, I never had an increase in temps on WP Thyroid or much improvement in my hypo symptoms. I decided to stop WP and start Tru Thyroid from PimPomProducts as of two days ago, so I will definitely keep an eye on my temps. I am hopeful for it though, I can't say if its a good way to gage its strength but it has a noticeably stronger smell compared to WP. I wonder if the rumors on the STTM website about prescription NDT being 'reformulated' and/or ineffective after a previous halt in production are true

 

[Connor888]

So far scientifically it doesn't differ from Barnes view. It is established that 37°C bodytemperature is needed for many enzymes to function at full speed (reaction rate). Lower temperature means lower reaction rate means lower metabolism.

But since the whole world is starting to become hypothyropid I wouldn't be surprised if they are preparing to consider the low hypo temperatures as "the new normal":
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/98-6-degrees-fahrenheit-isnt-the-average-anymore.32548/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/decreasing-human-body-temperature-in-the-united-states-since-the-industrial-revolution.32389/
https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/lower-body-temperature-ranges-might-be-now-considered-normal-in-adults.29640/

Funny how the term "new normal" was coined by our friend @ecstatichamster way before Gates did it

Just started reading this from the link you posted: Decreasing human body temperature in the United States since the Industrial Revolution | eLife and so far very interesting. Thanks again!

 

[boris]

No problem! Make sure to read between the lines, because the article is pretty bad

 

[mrchibbs]

No problem! Make sure to read between the lines, because the article is pretty bad

Lol was that the article that tried to argue that the decrease in temperature was because modern people are "less inflamed" than previous generations?
I got a good laugh out of that.

 

[boris]

Exactly

 

[Connor888]

Oh yeah just seen that now.

 

[milkboi]

Honestly, I don't know about NDT. Seems to very hit or miss. Why not experiment first with T3 to see if you need that thyroid boost? Some T4 and/or NDT can be added in later.