Is There A Hidden Subliminal Message In Ray's Work ?

[Ableton]

I doubt it, in Russia they mostly use sunflower oil in their cooking.

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[GelatinGoblin]

Ray Peat seems to have leftist/communist sympathies. I believe he described himself as an anarchist and most anarchists are in league with communists. If I understand correctly his views of Stalin are based on Grover Furr?

This view is quite a contradiction and flies in the face of Ray Peat’s anti-authoritarianism views. Let’s entertain the idea that Stalin was a “good” leader... how is that okay when you establish one of the most authoritarian regimes in human history? How is it okay when you murder your political rivals, hold sham political trials, and crush dissent? Again I repeat this is a contradiction to his ideas against authoritarianism.

I’ve also heard Ray speak ill of libertarianism which strongly opposes centralized authority and staunchly promotes the freedom of speech that we all are seeing suppressed including in the works of Ray Peat himself.

The fact is the USSR was a brutal system if you love freedom because communism takes away your natural rights to property and expression and forces you into an unnatural arrangement where a powerful authority governs almost every aspect of your life.

I also believe it’s no longer contrarian to see communism or the USSR in a positive light as we have had the cultural Marxists through the Frankfurt school (professor Herbert Marcuse et al) indoctrinate our generations through public education.

I learned about communism through my own reading, reading Karl Marx writings, biographies, and history and being astonished at the duplicity of our education and media. I also witnessed the soul crushing fruits of communism, and not as tourist on a guided tour in the USSR...

Because without him every European Asian and North African would know German

 

[GelatinGoblin]

As for the rest of your post wow... This is such a distorted and self misguided view.

And a 3rd grader could read and understand the texts of Karl Marx, you have not seen the full side of any picture.

You witnessed the soul crushing fruits of the dissolution and dissociation from the USSR my friend.

 

[bk_]

As for the rest of your post wow... This is such a distorted and self misguided view.

And a 3rd grader could read and understand the texts of Karl Marx, you have not seen the full side of any picture.

You witnessed the soul crushing fruits of the dissolution and dissociation from the USSR my friend.

You’re obviously a communist fan, typical of those growing comfie in the west who fall for the wonderful promises of alleviating poverty and racism and discrimination that are all the rage nowadays in the most privileged generation. You lived and grew up in the west? Ever travel much?

Karl Marx was after power he didn’t care about the workers instead he constantly argued against them and thought very low of the actual working class socialists. He was very much of an authoritarian mindset. Trotsky and his ilk were bankrolled by Jacob Schiff and other wall street bankers. He was brought to New York on a first class ticket (he lied and said it was 3rd class but his ticket was discovered). They gave him an American passport to send him to Russia. Why would capitalist oligarchs of Wall Street support a communist revolution for an ally?

Communism promises to alleviate poverty in exchange for all private property and freedom of speech and religion. That’s why it fools so many well meaning intellectuals into supporting brutal tyrannies.

And a 3rd grader could read and understand the texts of Karl Marx, you have not seen the full side of any picture.

This is nonsense, even reading the communist manifesto would not make much sense to a 3rd grader without understanding the full historical context, jargon, academic philosophies behind it. Take for example the very first sentence: “A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism.” A 3rd grader wouldn’t understand what this entails without being explained or studying in detail the revolutions sweeping Europe in 1848.

 

[bk_]

Because without him every European Asian and North African would know German

Quite a conjecture. No, instead the reality is Eastern Europe and Central Asia learned Russian. This includes the occupied and suppressed nations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland (the one Britain went to war with Germany over), Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, etc etc.

There’s no happy face emoticons for that.

 

[pauljacob]

What I find disturbing in some members of this forum is that they believe that a man who is a genius in one field is also a genius in others. RP is a genius in Biology and nutrition. He may also be a Marxist, a communist, a anarchist, etc., but his personal and intellectual beliefs in those fields shouldn't be taken as bona fide, tried and true dogmas to accept and digest the same way as his nutritional information. It's like reading a popular novel with the same reverence as The Old Man and the Sea, or listening to a country/western singers belt out a Verdi Aria, or viewing a RP painting with the same awe as one by Jackson Pollock, Edward Hopper, or even Frida Kahlo.

 

[MatheusPN]

Trotsky and his ilk were bankrolled by Jacob Schiff and other wall street bankers. He was brought to New York on a first class ticket (he lied and said it was 3rd class but his ticket was discovered). They gave him an American passport to send him to Russia. Why would capitalist oligarchs of Wall Street support a communist revolution for an ally?

Communist revolution? How so?
Trotsky was supporting a communist revolution?! Then Trotsky was really trying to achieve a stateless, classless and capital-less society, this opinion is a very contrarian one which most capitalists and socialists experts don't agree.

I’ve also heard Ray speak ill of libertarianism which strongly opposes centralized authority and staunchly promotes the freedom of speech that we all are seeing suppressed including in the works of Ray Peat himself

He didn't speak ill of libertarianism, which is anarchist/ communist, he spoke ill of the pseudo-libertarians or ancaps.

What I find disturbing in some members of this forum is that they believe that a man who is a genius in one field is also a genius in others. RP is a genius in Biology and nutrition. He may also be a Marxist, a communist, a anarchist, etc., but his personal and intellectual beliefs in those fields shouldn't be taken as bona fide, tried and true dogmas to accept and digest the same way as his nutritional information. It's like reading a popular novel with the same reverence as The Old Man and the Sea, or listening to a country/western singers belt out a Verdi Aria, or viewing a RP painting with the same awe as one by Jackson Pollock, Edward Hopper, or even Frida Kahlo.

Most of his political thoughts have been tried, happened and still happen; in very anti-authorithatian societies.

His views on politics are totally connected and correspondent to his philosophical views, including politics, if you think that his political views are nonsense then if you don't view his science/ biologic approach as also nonsense, you're the one misunderstanding and creating paradoxes

 

[bk_]

Communist revolution? How so?
Trotsky was supporting a communist revolution?! Then Trotsky was really trying to achieve a stateless, classless and capital-less society, this opinion is a very contrarian one which most capitalists and socialists experts don't agree.

He didn't speak ill of libertarianism, which is anarchist/ communist, he spoke ill of the pseudo-libertarians or ancaps.

Most of his political thoughts have been tried, happened and still happen; in very anti-authorithatian societies.

His views on politics are totally connected and correspondent to his philosophical views, including politics, if you think that his political views are nonsense then if you don't view his science/ biologic approach as also nonsense, you're the one misunderstanding and creating paradoxes

Why is it that Trotsky refers to himself and his ilk as “Marxists” several times in his memoirs and that they wanted an internationalist revolution but to achieve that they needed to have a revolution in Europe? (https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/mylife/1930-lif.pdf)

Why don’t you tell me what Trotsky and Lenin were trying to achieve? If it wasn’t a revolution towards communist/socialism than what was it? Did they not collectivize the farms and industries? What do you call that then?

In the couple of instances of interviews and a podcast (this spring with Roddy/Georgi) I’ve heard him speaking ill of libertarians, he specifically used the word “libertarian” and I did not hear any clarification of pseudo-libertarian or ancap. Could you point me to that so I can correct myself?

 

[MatheusPN]

Why is it that Trotsky refers to himself and his ilk as “Marxists” several times in his memoirs and that they wanted an internationalist revolution but to achieve that they needed to have a revolution in Europe? (https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1930/mylife/1930-lif.pdf)

Why don’t you tell me what Trotsky and Lenin were trying to achieve? If it wasn’t a revolution towards communist/socialism than what was it? Did they not collectivize the farms and industries? What do you call that then?

In the couple of instances of interviews and a podcast (this spring with Roddy/Georgi) I’ve heard him speaking ill of libertarians, he specifically used the word “libertarian” and I did not hear any clarification of pseudo-libertarian or ancap. Could you point me to that so I can correct myself?

About Trotsky,
Peat said something like: he is a fascist traitor and ideologically aligned with the CIA.
Guess what? Stalin was very responsible for his banishment and was because of treason, later he was killed.
Deliberation Makes People Consistently Selfish
Deliberation Makes People Consistently Selfish
92% Of Polled Russians Want To Return To The USSR

IDK well USSR, if you believe that Stalin/ Lenin/ Trotsky seized control over the means of production and what people should do, then it wasn't socialist but a dictatorship/ fascist. True communism humanity wouldn't support a State Socialism nor the oxymoron State Communism.

Peat has even spoken some good about some capitalistic "libertarians", Roddy Authoritarian Podcast, has it. As I said before, libertarianism, as most words now, its meaning was distorted.

 

[bk_]

About Trotsky,
Peat said something like: he is a fascist traitor and ideologically aligned with the CIA.
Guess what? Stalin was very responsible for his banishment and was because of treason, later he was killed.
Deliberation Makes People Consistently Selfish
Deliberation Makes People Consistently Selfish
92% Of Polled Russians Want To Return To The USSR

IDK well USSR, if you believe that Stalin/ Lenin/ Trotsky seized control over the means of production and what people should do, then it wasn't socialist but a dictatorship/ fascist. True communism humanity wouldn't support a State Socialism nor the oxymoron State Communism.

Peat has even spoken some good about some capitalistic "libertarians", Roddy Authoritarian Podcast, has it. As I said before, libertarianism, as most words now, its meaning was distorted.

Thank you for the clarifications, I have only started listening to some of Roddy’s interviews with Peat this year. Not sure how representative those polls are but the corruption in Russia has been so bad I imagine many Russians look back to the late USSR days fondly, especially in light of the Glasnost era.

The CIA/Trotsky connection doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. First of all the CIA and even its predecessor the OSS didn’t exist until years after the Trotsky was murdered. Also what kind of anti-authoritarian nation sends assassins to a foreign country to murder a rival rather than extradite them and hold an open and civil trial? I’m beginning to find these assertions to be quite absurd in order to fit a narrative.

Let’s say that Stalin didn’t commit genocide, mass murder, and brutally suppress intellectuals and dissidents as is commonly held. There are after all contrarians in regards to Holocaust history despite the legal and social consequences. Perhaps they are right about Stalin since we as humans typically accept things at face value. However we’re still talking about an unelected (by the populace) life-long dictator who overturned many nations and brought no freedom of speech or press or criticism to his people and destroyed his rivals at best. Ray Peat is on record now as saying he was a “good leader.” The irony is that if Ray Peat was a contrarian in the USSR during Stalin he likely would have been imprisoned, executed, or exiled for contradicting the ideas of the state.

Peat is excellent in pointing out the contrary point of view in physiology but when it comes to political history...

 

[GelatinGoblin]

Quite a conjecture. No, instead the reality is Eastern Europe and Central Asia learned Russian. This includes the occupied and suppressed nations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland (the one Britain went to war with Germany over), Ukraine, Hungary, Romania, etc etc.

There’s no happy face emoticons for that.

A lot of those had Russians to begin with ( Ukraine ).
At least they didn't give it back like stupid Israel (Sinai Peninsula). The UN would've used and collapsed those countries anyway. At least USSR made them an economy (ports, factories etc.)... then they left and sided with UN and Western countries and now they are F'd like most countries influenced and occupied by the US, well apart from Japan

 

[MatheusPN]

Thank you for the clarifications, I have only started listening to some of Roddy’s interviews with Peat this year. Not sure how representative those polls are but the corruption in Russia has been so bad I imagine many Russians look back to the late USSR days fondly, especially in light of the Glasnost era.

The CIA/Trotsky connection doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. First of all the CIA and even its predecessor the OSS didn’t exist until years after the Trotsky was murdered. Also what kind of anti-authoritarian nation sends assassins to a foreign country to murder a rival rather than extradite them and hold an open and civil trial? I’m beginning to find these assertions to be quite absurd in order to fit a narrative.

Let’s say that Stalin didn’t commit genocide, mass murder, and brutally suppress intellectuals and dissidents as is commonly held. There are after all contrarians in regards to Holocaust history despite the legal and social consequences. Perhaps they are right about Stalin since we as humans typically accept things at face value. However we’re still talking about an unelected (by the populace) life-long dictator who overturned many nations and brought no freedom of speech or press or criticism to his people and destroyed his rivals at best. Ray Peat is on record now as saying he was a “good leader.” The irony is that if Ray Peat was a contrarian in the USSR during Stalin he likely would have been imprisoned, executed, or exiled for contradicting the ideas of the state.

Peat is excellent in pointing out the contrary point of view in physiology but when it comes to political history...

An relaxed reply,
I affirmed, Trotsky was ideologically aligned with the CIA. I nor Peat said that he was controlled by the CIA or did you hear him saying that?
I asserted that he later was killed, IDK who did it... It wasn't in USSR soil.

The same authoritarian Stalin, was the only opposition against Hitler in 1937/ 38, while the west aligned with him with a non-aggression pact.
The elites and politicians of the capitalist world are very well known to support and commit nazism/ eugenism.
Different than the right tells, Stalin only killed 20 million if you count Nazis hahaha. Damn Soviet Union, killed tons of cruel Nazis, such a terrible crime! e.e

Unlike most ppl believe, Trotsky, Stalin, Marx and Lenin had very different opinions on lots of very important subjects; Stalin was very anti-imperialist AFAIK comparing to other leaders.
Also, like Trump, Stalin wasn't omnipotent. Most aspects, especially imperialistic actions, were committed majoritarily by Trotsky! Stalin is very well known to oppose and impede lots of imperialistic actions!
@Energizer is the guy for USSR political topics...

 

[FredSonoma]

is iodine bad? lol

 

[GelatinGoblin]

Daily reminder

 

[Dr. B]

Could Ray Peat intentionally and on purpose adopt outrageous positions on some sensible topics like Aids (not being caused by HIV), iodine (refuses to look at the statistics of Japanese thyroid diseases), melatonin supplements (says it's bad for health) , all of them positions easily disproved in my opinion, in order to send a subliminal message to his readers "Don't trust anyone's word, not even mine's, without checking by yourself the evidence first ?"

His recent comments about Stalin being an interesting man are so disturbing and hard to believe, I've come to the conclusion Ray intentionally decredibilizes himself in order to take off his back some of the heat associated with his discoveries.

Thoughts ?

I think he is spot on on iodine and melatonin and generally speaking manmade supplements are always going to have risks, in many cases minimal benefit. the seaweed and natural high iodine foods eaten by Japanese may be safe although i heard goiter is also common there? an iodine supplement would be totally different to eating a high iodine food. seafood, dairy and eggs are high in iodine.

what did he say about Stalin exactly? and thats interesting, but also, Ray doesnt trust mainstream media. there is a difference between believing Stalin murdered millions and saying hes a good man vs believing that Stalin is a good man and that him murdering millions was just unreliable propaganda which is what it seems like Ray is implying.

 

[boris]

is iodine bad? lol

An excess damages the thyroid.

Wolff–Chaikoff effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dr. B]

Ray Peat seems to have leftist/communist sympathies. I believe he described himself as an anarchist and most anarchists are in league with communists. If I understand correctly his views of Stalin are based on Grover Furr?

This view is quite a contradiction and flies in the face of Ray Peat’s anti-authoritarianism views. Let’s entertain the idea that Stalin was a “good” leader... how is that okay when you establish one of the most authoritarian regimes in human history? How is it okay when you murder your political rivals, hold sham political trials, and crush dissent? Again I repeat this is a contradiction to his ideas against authoritarianism.

I’ve also heard Ray speak ill of libertarianism which strongly opposes centralized authority and staunchly promotes the freedom of speech that we all are seeing suppressed including in the works of Ray Peat himself.

The fact is the USSR was a brutal system if you love freedom because communism takes away your natural rights to property and expression and forces you into an unnatural arrangement where a powerful authority governs almost every aspect of your life.

I also believe it’s no longer contrarian to see communism or the USSR in a positive light as we have had the cultural Marxists through the Frankfurt school (professor Herbert Marcuse et al) indoctrinate our generations through public education.

I learned about communism through my own reading, reading Karl Marx writings, biographies, and history and being astonished at the duplicity of our education and media. I also witnessed the soul crushing fruits of communism, and not as tourist on a guided tour in the USSR...

why do you say communists are in league with anarchists? arent both on the opposite ends of the spectrum? from my understanding, the further left you go, the more you go towards communism, whereas the further right you go, the more you go towards anarchism. communism is absolute control by a government, whereas anarchy is a complete lack of control and lack of existence of a government. theyre fundamentally opposite. the issues present are differing issues as well. with anarchy you would have mob rule, with communism it would be a potentially evil government. personally I think for the average person a communist government would be safer to live in than anarchy. also Ray does seem to prefer Trump over Biden and from what ive seen on Dannys podcast it seems Ray leans libertarian. I think libertarians and anarchists get along more often than communists and anarchists. libertarians basically want to get as close to anarchy as you can while still having law and order and a few basic things like a military, courts, police.
regarding USSR I am not sure we really know the truth on these things given the unreliable info present out there whether its healthcare related, politics, history, etc. I think Ray mentioned some things regarding Hitler, Stalin, WW2 in his podcasts with Danny where he basically implied the mainstream story we have all been taught in history courses is far from the truth.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Could Ray Peat intentionally and on purpose adopt outrageous positions on some sensible topics like Aids (not being caused by HIV), iodine (refuses to look at the statistics of Japanese thyroid diseases), melatonin supplements (says it's bad for health) , all of them positions easily disproved in my opinion, in order to send a subliminal message to his readers "Don't trust anyone's word, not even mine's, without checking by yourself the evidence first ?"

His recent comments about Stalin being an interesting man are so disturbing and hard to believe, I've come to the conclusion Ray intentionally decredibilizes himself in order to take off his back some of the heat associated with his discoveries.

Thoughts ?

That is riduculous! I think the devil is interesting it doesn't mean I like him.

 

[Nemo]

Could Ray Peat intentionally and on purpose adopt outrageous positions on some sensible topics like Aids (not being caused by HIV), iodine (refuses to look at the statistics of Japanese thyroid diseases), melatonin supplements (says it's bad for health) , all of them positions easily disproved in my opinion, in order to send a subliminal message to his readers "Don't trust anyone's word, not even mine's, without checking by yourself the evidence first ?"

His recent comments about Stalin being an interesting man are so disturbing and hard to believe, I've come to the conclusion Ray intentionally decredibilizes himself in order to take off his back some of the heat associated with his discoveries.

Thoughts ?

Ray's right on HIV. He's right on melatonin too. Never looked at his position on iodine.

Ray's comments on Stalin reflect his belief we need a more cooperative, less predatory society, essentially because we need less stress for health. His remarks actually made me look further into the Holodomor.

He has said nice things about the right too. He's sick of the right/left brainwashing that keeps us split and helpless before the predations of elites, like the big Bat Plague bioweapon attack on us.

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Could Ray Peat intentionally and on purpose adopt outrageous positions on some sensible topics like Aids (not being caused by HIV), iodine (refuses to look at the statistics of Japanese thyroid diseases), melatonin supplements (says it's bad for health) , all of them positions easily disproved in my opinion, in order to send a subliminal message to his readers "Don't trust anyone's word, not even mine's, without checking by yourself the evidence first ?"

His recent comments about Stalin being an interesting man are so disturbing and hard to believe, I've come to the conclusion Ray intentionally decredibilizes himself in order to take off his back some of the heat associated with his discoveries.

Thoughts ?

Why are you on this forum if you feel that way? We aren't looking to be converted. Isn't there plenty of other place you can go to try and make friends?