Is Raw Dairy More Estrogenic Than Pasteurized Dairy?

ANDREW CHIN

Member
Joined
May 22, 2019
Messages
65
Hello Everyone,
I've been wondering about this for a while, but I haven't found any information online: Is raw dairy more estrogenic than pasteurized dairy? According to Dr. William Wong, whose podcast I listen to on YT, pasteurization destroys the hormones in dairy. He actually prefers pasteurized dairy partly because of this.

Here are a couple links:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jf801344x#
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2ac4/b00ea688c52209807982243ca80e41f3ddc5.pdf

As an interesting aside, check out the phytoestrogen levels in soya infant formula and soya TVP (see the PDF link at the bottom of the article). It's off the charts, almost literally!
 

Gone Peating

Member
Joined
Sep 16, 2018
Messages
896
I think that the progesterone to estrogen ratio in milk is supposed to eliminate any estrogenic problems

That's just what I've heard lol, I imagine a lot of it depends on the cow itself, how healthy it is, if it's pregnant while being milked
 

ANDREW CHIN

Member
Thread starter
Joined
May 22, 2019
Messages
65
I think that the progesterone to estrogen ratio in milk is supposed to eliminate any estrogenic problems

That's just what I've heard lol, I imagine a lot of it depends on the cow itself, how healthy it is, if it's pregnant while being milked

Good call, makes a lot of sense. :)
 

Nebula

Member
Joined
May 30, 2018
Messages
241
I think that the progesterone to estrogen ratio in milk is supposed to eliminate any estrogenic problems

That's just what I've heard lol, I imagine a lot of it depends on the cow itself, how healthy it is, if it's pregnant while being milked
I think all milk is probably estrogenic unless thyroid, liver and hormone balance are already near optimal.
 

lampofred

Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2016
Messages
2,903
I think all milk is probably estrogenic unless thyroid, liver and hormone balance are already near optimal.

Yes. I think nourishing foods are necessarily estrogenic.
 

Nebula

Member
Joined
May 30, 2018
Messages
241
Yes. Nourishing foods are necessarily estrogenic.
It might be nourishing but the estrogen content is likely to be a net disturbance to hormonal balance unless the systems capable of detoxifying estrogen are working.
 

lampofred

Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2016
Messages
2,903
Mind explaining why? I'm interested.

Estrogen is the hormone of growth and proliferation. If something is nourishing enough to be useful for growth (milk) then it's nature must necessarily be estrogenic. That's how I view it.

I don't mean estrogenic in the sense of actually containing estrogen, I mean estrogenic in the sense of activating the proliferative functions of the body, as opposed to the differentiative/GABAergic functions.
 

Ron J

Member
Joined
Oct 5, 2016
Messages
727
Estrogen is the hormone of growth and proliferation. If something is nourishing enough to be useful for growth (milk) then it's nature must necessarily be estrogenic. That's how I view it.

I don't mean estrogenic in the sense of actually containing estrogen, I mean estrogenic in the sense of activating the proliferative functions of the body, as opposed to the differentiative/GABAergic functions.
Alright. Thanks for sharing.
 

Fractality

Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2016
Messages
772
Estrogen is the hormone of growth and proliferation. If something is nourishing enough to be useful for growth (milk) then it's nature must necessarily be estrogenic. That's how I view it.

I don't mean estrogenic in the sense of actually containing estrogen, I mean estrogenic in the sense of activating the proliferative functions of the body, as opposed to the differentiative/GABAergic functions.

What are some examples of food that activates the differentiative functions? I'm guessing high glycine proteins would be one example.
 

lampofred

Member
Joined
Feb 13, 2016
Messages
2,903
What are some examples of food that activates the differentiative functions? I'm guessing high glycine proteins would be one example.

Gelatin I think so. I think things that don't lower blood sugar upon consumption might be the "adult" foods. So maybe orange juice. Most likely coffee also, which raises blood sugar. Protein lowers blood sugar except gelatin I think, that's why gelatin is more for adults and milk is more for children, unless you have great thyroid and can handle the milk as an adult. But overall I don't really fully understand it, I'm just guessing. Maybe it has something to do with "heating" foods being differentiating, and "cooling" foods being proliferative.
 

Abba

Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2019
Messages
9
All milking [female] cows are kept constantly pregnant as they produce much more milk that way [its called 'no added hormones'].
 

BigChad

Member
Joined
Jun 28, 2019
Messages
747
Hello Everyone,
I've been wondering about this for a while, but I haven't found any information online: Is raw dairy more estrogenic than pasteurized dairy? According to Dr. William Wong, whose podcast I listen to on YT, pasteurization destroys the hormones in dairy. He actually prefers pasteurized dairy partly because of this.

Here are a couple links:
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/jf801344x#
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2ac4/b00ea688c52209807982243ca80e41f3ddc5.pdf

As an interesting aside, check out the phytoestrogen levels in soya infant formula and soya TVP (see the PDF link at the bottom of the article). It's off the charts, almost literally!

raw dairy, I would assume is at least as estrogenic as pasteurized dairy. I was also thinking (hoping) that the pasteurization process kills off estrogens in milk?
 
Similar threads
Thread starter Title Forum Replies Date
hiconscience Raw Dairy Diet 2
P Raw Dairy or None At All? Diet 14
E A few questions in one thread about raw milk/dairy and liver Diet 2
H Frozen raw oysters Seafood 1
B Raw Milk Indigestion Doubts About Milk 1
S Raw Carrot Salad and Stools Diet 5
S The real reason Raw Meat feels so good. Diet 3
Tarmander Why You Should Eat Raw Meat Diet 163
TheBeard PPL Now Carries Raw DHT Powder Supplements 49
metabolizm Raw Carrot Diet 20
Twohandsondeck Psoriasis Solved: Raw Starch Gut Rehab (pics) Testimonials 168
lvysaur Do You Wash Your Hands Thoroughly After Raw Meat? Body Care 19
T Raw Milk And/or Cacao Powder Give Me A Flu-like Feeling - Could It Be Anything But Endotoxin? Ask For Help or Advice 2
J Effect Of Mushrooms On Fecal Matter Weight - After Raw Carrots Didn't Do It Anymore Digestion 11
Brundle Would The Optimal Peat Diet Be Mostly Raw Animal Products And Fruit? Diet 38
Vileplume More Raw Goat Milk = Lower Temps, Even Though I Feel Good? Metabolism 8
T Carrot Juice Vs. Raw Carrots Diet 4
U Tick Borne Encephalitis From Raw Goat Milk? Animals 3
U Why Do I Handle Commercial Milk Much Better Than Raw? Dairy 8
Geronimo Carrot Powder Replacement For Raw Carrot Carrot Salad, Bamboo Shoots, Mushrooms 6
metabolizm Remarkable Laxative Effect Of Raw Carrot Vegetables, Grains, Legumes, Fiber 2
J Why Is Raw Milk And Pro Biotics Giving Me Issues But Not Normal Milk? Working Through Milk Issues 5
D Raw Wildflower Honey Helps Me Sleep Blood Sugar 1
C What's Better, NDT Or Raw Glandular Thyroid? Natural Dessicated Thyroid 2
J Is Raw Milk Okay For Eczema Milk 1
B What If I Ate Only Truly Pastured Organic Raw Egg Yolks? Diet, Recipes 15
bluefish Raw Milk Ask For Help or Advice 31
Lenny Thoughts On Raw Milk? Dairy 10
MK-4x33 Raw Ginger Root & L. Reuteri Digestion 3
TheBeard Still Can’t Digest Raw Milk Even After Antibiotics Digestion 100
burtlancast Birth Of A New ̶S̶c̶i̶e̶n̶c̶e̶ SCAM: Injected Raw Vegetables/fruits Extracts Cures All Cancers Scientific Studies 91
T Injecting Mice With Raw Garlic Extract Completely Cures Their Cancer Articles & Scientific Studies 4
L UK/EU - #RAW Experiences? Miscellaneous 3
P Anti-Peat The Daily Raw Carrot Is Not Antiseptic, It Increases Bacterial Growth In The Gut Debate - Anti-Peat 51
G Raw Carrot And Side Effects Diet 10
Cameron Raw Meat Raw Milk Raw Eggs Feeling Great Diet 80
Mito Digestibility Of Cooked And Raw Egg Protein In Humans Eggs 8
J Help! Raw Carrots For Estrogen Diet 8
R Raw Animal Product Diet Diet 27
Cameron Gained 20 Pounds In 3 Months From Gallon Of Raw Milk A Day. Hardly Any Noticable Fat Protein 35
Cameron Raw Carrot Olive Oil And Vinegar Killing My Gut Digestion 16
Cirion How Long Would Raw Milk Last In A Hermetically Sealed Glass Jug? Milk 10
Herbie Cold Pressed Raw Milk In Australia Milk 21
Cameron How Does Ray Obtain His Raw Test Powder From Prescription Or Another Source? Ask For Help or Advice 12
L Can Well Cooked Mushrooms Be Used Every Day Instead Of Raw Carrot Salad? Digestion, Gut Flora 2
ecstatichamster Red And Raw Area. What To Use In It Skin 2
F UK Guy - I'm Afraid Of Eating Raw Meat - Want To Eat Raw Lamb Liver Diet 31
A Quick Question. (Famotidine, Nitric Oxide, Raw Garlic) Digestion 0
A Any Raw Yolk Eaters Here? Ask For Help or Advice 3
encerent 6lbs Of Raw Salad Every Day Video 0

Similar threads

Top