Is Eating a Peat Diet Instinctual?

[narouz]

Gretchen-
I don't know why...
maybe I brainwashed myself?
maybe I have a perverted instinct?...

...but I really did (guess I still do...but haven't tried for about a year!) like
green stuff:

-collard greens
-kale
-broccoli
-spinach
-broccolini
-leaf lettuce
-green peppers
-turnip greens
-chard
-green beans
-peas
etc

I liked them raw and cooked.
With butter and bacon grease if cooked.
With dressing, including seed oil dressings like sesame oil dressing as salads.

It didn't hurt that I was under the impression that those foods were SuperFoods.
If we are persuaded intellectually that some foods are SuperFoods,
then...I think we humans have a strong tendency
to be able to convince ourselves that those foods are not just healthy,
but also delicious.
Even more delicious than any other foods.

 

[Sunjoy]

Everyone hates green vegetables. People want to fit and currently, the "real food" trend is at its peak. This dumb **** trend shows no sign of slowing down. Hagen Daasz IS real food, but it contains that evil sugar, which everyone is being brainwashed to stop eating. It totally sucks that Seth Roberts has given a nod to Team Real by saying that good tasting foods (like HD) raise the set point. Lets face it Peatarians, given the current sociocultural climate, our view isn't going to catch on. We say its normal to eat sweet foods; they say Grok didn't eat them and that's why we're all fat.

I think I love you!

 

[kiran]

Lets face it Peatarians, given the current sociocultural climate, our view isn't going to catch on. We say its normal to eat sweet foods; they say Grok didn't eat them and that's why we're all fat.

Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither will Peatland.

 

[Zanjabil]

If I truly followed my instinct I would eat mostly
Lamb
Shrimp
Turkey
Beef
Zucchini
Carrots
Can peaches
Apricots
Milk
Orange and grape juice
Cottage cheese and fresh mozzarella
Gummy bears sugar!
Tamales... All these foods all the time
My instinct for non "Peat" recommended foods would be
Salmon, sourdough baguette, croissants, cheese danish
See all the wheat foods??

 

[Zanjabil]

Regarding veggies, the worst diet I ever tried was the raw food diet, ugh. It started out good, then I was depressed, lethargic, and severely constipated.
To this day I have an aversion to greens because of that diet, cooked or raw. I rarely eat lettuce and never in winter. I really can't digest leaves.

 

[narouz]

If I truly followed my instinct I would eat mostly
Lamb
Shrimp
Turkey
Beef
Zucchini
Carrots
Can peaches
Apricots
Milk
Orange and grape juice
Cottage cheese and fresh mozzarella
Gummy bears sugar!
Tamales... All these foods all the time
My instinct for non "Peat" recommended foods would be
Salmon, sourdough baguette, croissants, cheese danish
See all the wheat foods??

Thanks, Zanz-
That is kinda what I would expect from a Truth Serum confession.
--some foods Peat, some foods not Peat.
When I hear Peatians reporting
that the most delicious foods on the entire planet
turn out to be
exactly the foods that are good Peat foods...

...I'm sorry,
I'm suspicious.

 

[Sunjoy]

If I truly followed my instinct I would eat mostly
Lamb
Shrimp
Turkey
Beef
Zucchini
Carrots
Can peaches
Apricots
Milk
Orange and grape juice
Cottage cheese and fresh mozzarella
Gummy bears sugar!
Tamales... All these foods all the time
My instinct for non "Peat" recommended foods would be
Salmon, sourdough baguette, croissants, cheese danish
See all the wheat foods??

Thanks, Zanz-
That is kinda what I would expect from a Truth Serum confession.
--some foods Peat, some foods not Peat.
When I hear Peatians reporting
that the most delicious foods on the entire planet
turn out to be
exactly the foods that are good Peat foods...

...I'm sorry,
I'm suspicious.

Not sure I've seen anyone do that. :?

I got a long list of non Peat foods I'd love to chow down on. Most of them, however, wouldn't be considered healthy by other trendy diets though like paleo and raw vegan.

Pizza of course would be number one on that list, chickens wings a close second, oh and cheese danish and other pastry goodies, yum!

 

[kiran]

... cheese danish and other pastry goodies, yum!

I'd love that too, except that i get a very pronounced negative reaction from the store-bought stuff. If someone actually had reasonably priced pastries made with organic (unenriched) wheat and real dairy, I would be addicted.

 

[gretchen]

The worst diets are primal, paleo, blood type, vegan, raw foods and macrobiotic.

 

[narouz]

The worst diets are primal, paleo, blood type, vegan, raw foods and macrobiotic.

gretchen-
Are you talkin' "worst" in terms of
health effects
or
taste?

 

[gretchen]

Regarding veggies, the worst diet I ever tried was the raw food diet, ugh. It started out good, then I was depressed, lethargic, and severely constipated.
To this day I have an aversion to greens because of that diet, cooked or raw. I rarely eat lettuce and never in winter. I really can't digest leaves.

Yes, I totally agree. I was never "100% raw" but ate my share of salad in the 90s and cooked kale in the 2000s. I don't think anyone naturally gravitates towards green vegetables, and all people who say they love them (except you narouz ) are lying hypocrites bent on turning the world in to a yuppie organic garden. It may be time to consider that in light of the fact that there is little nutritional value to vegetables, the obsession with adding them and including them in one's diet is akin to a type of religion; i.e., people believe their lives can be greatly improved and maybe even they will be "saved" if they eat more veggies.

Peat's article on vegetables made sense to me immediately, and not putting them in my cart makes total sense. I never enjoyed buying, storing (they leave little bits of dried stuff all over the fridge) or cooking them, and do not miss them. I am glad we broke up.

When I first researched this diet, I found this website on "why vegetables are evil". I think you might enjoy it:
http://www.rogermwilcox.com/vegetable/veg1.html

 

[narouz]

Regarding veggies, the worst diet I ever tried was the raw food diet, ugh. It started out good, then I was depressed, lethargic, and severely constipated.
To this day I have an aversion to greens because of that diet, cooked or raw. I rarely eat lettuce and never in winter. I really can't digest leaves.

Yes, I totally agree. I was never "100% raw" but ate my share of salad in the 90s and cooked kale in the 2000s. I don't think anyone naturally gravitates towards green vegetables, and all people who say they love them (except you narouz ) are lying hypocrites bent on turning the world in to a yuppie organic garden. It may be time to consider that in light of the fact that there is little nutritional value to vegetables, the obsession with adding them and including them in one's diet is akin to a type of religion; i.e., people believe their lives can be greatly improved and maybe even they will be "saved" if they eat more veggies.

Peat's article on vegetables made sense to me immediately, and not putting them in my cart makes total sense. I never enjoyed buying, storing (they leave little bits of dried stuff all over the fridge) or cooking them, and do not miss them. I am glad we broke up.

When I first researched this diet, I found this website on "why vegetables are evil". I think you might enjoy it:
http://www.rogermwilcox.com/vegetable/veg1.html

I appreciate that exemption, gretchen!
But look: there is more to the Greens Loving phenomenon, I think,
than sheer Health-Food-Type zealotry.
Think about all the greens in "soulfood."
The folks who love soulfood wouldn't seem to be healthfood zealots to me.
On the contrary, they seem the type who eat for taste--health be damned!

And then what about the very widespread appetite for Salads?
All over the world and across all demographics and cuisines, people eat salads.
Now...maybe they are motivated in part by health notions.
But, in my experience, those people Want to eat that salad because it Tastes Yummy.
And makes a lovely, cool, crisp, crunchy counterpoint to other parts of a meal.

 

[charlie]

The salad doesnt taste yummy. The dressing on the salad, eggs, cheese, THAT's what taste yummy.

Greens are for cows.

 

[narouz]

The salad doesnt taste yummy. The dressing on the salad, eggs, cheese, THAT's what taste yummy.

Greens are for cows.

Two takes:

1. For me, it's the combination.
I agree that a straight salad with no dressing...not that yummy.
On the other hand,
straight dressings (for the most part) with no salad...not that yummy either.

2. I believe you are telling the truth Charlie.
But, if we're trying to be objective about this
you'll have to admit that
Most People
or at least
A Whole Helluva a Lot of People
like salads.
They might even love 'em.
The verifiable fact is
they eat 'em.
And I would say
that in my experience
all those people are not Whole Foods Grocery types of eaters.
They're not primarily motivated by health, in my estimate.
They eat those dang salads because they Want to
because they Taste Yummy.

3. A Caesar salad
with crispy romaine lettuce
anchovies
crouton
raw egg
olive oil
parmesan cheese
a squeeze of lemon
and some minced garlic
and croutons
is a tasty tantalizing treat. :)

 

[charlie]

They LOVE them because its SUPPOSED to be healthy and therefor like the argument you made earlier.......if it's supposed to be healthy and the "in" thing to eat for health....then damn, that's the best darn leaves I have ever ate! Heck, serve me up some wheat grass next!

Greens are for cows.

 

[narouz]

They LOVE them because its SUPPOSED to be healthy and therefor like the argument you made earlier.......if it's supposed to be healthy and the "in" thing to eat for health....then damn, that's the best darn leaves I have ever ate! Heck, serve me up some wheat grass next!

Greens are for cows.

The likes of Jacques Pepin and Julia Child
most assuredly do Not eat the stuff they put in their cookbooks
because it is Healthy.
They eat it because it Tastes good to them,
and because they know that it will taste good to people who buy their cookbooks
and watch their shows.

Go into any fancy, expensive restaurant (let's say)
and look at what people are eating.
You'll see that most are eating salads.
Follow those big spenders out to their car
where they light up a cigarette from their 3rd pack of the day
and squeeze their fat arses into their Land Rover.
They are not motivated by health.

Face it:
it is a fact of life that people Like salads.

 

[charlie]

No, its just their/your "token" healthy habit. That's all.

 

[j.]

Follow those big spenders out to their car
where they light up a cigarette from their 3rd pack of the day
and squeeze their fat arses into their Land Rover.
They are not motivated by health.

They try to suppress the guilt from smoking by eating salads. Salads are self-evidently distasteful. I avoided them from my entire life except 2 years because I was having health issues, and thought I'd eat healthier.

 

[narouz]

Follow those big spenders out to their car
where they light up a cigarette from their 3rd pack of the day
and squeeze their fat arses into their Land Rover.
They are not motivated by health.

They try to suppress the guilt from smoking by eating salads. Salads are self-evidently distasteful. I avoided them from my entire life except 2 years because I was having health issues, and thought I'd eat healthier.

Self-evidently to you.
And, anyhow, I have to disqualify you from this discussion, j.,
because you've already conceded elsewhere
that you have little to no Eros for foods of any description,
placing all of that Desire instead into the world of women.

On a more serious note:
we Peatians do, I think,
have to be careful not to massage and bend the facts of life
so that they fit more comfortably into our Peatiosity.
You will notice that many here seem strongly driven
to discount the fact that many non-Peatian foods
are clearly very widely and strongly Desired.

I think this should trigger our BS detectors.
Are we really on solid ground
to try to argue
that
1. All Peatian foods are
the best for health
and
the most delicious?
and that
2. All non-Peatian foods are uniformly disgusting?

Half a moment's thought should show an objective person that both statements are obviously false.
Also: does Peat ever make such statements?

 

[charlie]

Everything is delicious except the liver, and oysters. I am still working on that.