IODIDE - not - IODINE cure for many diseases? (With Ray qoutes)

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According to Ragu no, but he did stated that food policosanols like water from some kind of rice and jaggery are prized as a miracle food in Indian culture. Also jaggery is almost worshiped in some temples and cultures just because of the high policosanol content he assumes. He stated that it is the same policosanol as in his supplement but the trick seems to be that body cannot utilize it properly because it's a wax unlike the nano particle of it, which can modify and influence things around it. He also stated that he could never made this product anywhere else but in Switzerland and that he tried but it didn't work. He said that the trick seems to be the water. Everywhere else water is fluoridated and filled with some other cr*p and the process of removing it from the water does something to the structure of the water and it slightly modifies the nano particle of nano soma and it becomes something else.

He repeated several times that the metadichol doesn't heal anything but the trick is in it's modifying capabilities on all nuclear receptors, genomes etc.
There was some doctor in his conference - who is register tuberculosis specialist - but lives near the oncology clinic where he knows a few doctors and long story short patient cured lung cancer by supplementing nano soma and rejecting radiation and all the procedures. He came to see and look at MRI of the lungs and listened to the story and the doctors and he was fascinated by what he saw. I mean he shared the images and hospital signature and everything which also made it more believable for the sceptics like myself. They shared tones of fascinating success stories.
can you buy this online, are you going to try the nano soma?
the policosanol supplements I think are extracted out of the beeswax or sugarcane wax. based on your quotes, do you think if you chewed beeswax you wouldn't get much policosanols from chewing it?
it sounds very interesting
 
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can you buy this online, are you going to try the nano soma?
the policosanol supplements I think are extracted out of the beeswax or sugarcane wax. based on your quotes, do you think if you chewed beeswax you wouldn't get much policosanols from chewing it?
it sounds very interesting
I will try it hopefully and report back the results after I've been using it for 5-6 months.
 

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Thanks yerrag for sharing that.
Ray has helped me in trying to articulate my problems and therefore potentially find the solutions to them by doing my own research. He also changed the way I look at health and forced me to experiment. If I wasn't I would've been stuck in my own ways and like you've said so poetically and truthfully "Those who never learn from their mistakes stay on one of many errant paths or move to the wrong fork each and every time." It's more riskier but potentially, hopefully, more rewarding.

Sorry to hear about your sister I hope she gets well! Suffering or frustration can also be an unwanted teacher.
Sad but what would you call someone who eats processed health foods all the time based on doctors like Axe and his smorgasbord of recommendations?

No pharma is the driving force, but everything else is doubling down on the wrong things and thinking I will get to the promised land one day. Hope is eternal. Just like religion. Enabling. The snakes.
 
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According to Ragu no, but he did stated that food policosanols like water from some kind of rice and jaggery are prized as a miracle food in Indian culture. Also jaggery is almost worshiped in some temples and cultures just because of the high policosanol content he assumes. He stated that it is the same policosanol as in his supplement but the trick seems to be that body cannot utilize it properly because it's a wax unlike the nano particle of it, which can modify and influence things around it. He also stated that he could never made this product anywhere else but in Switzerland and that he tried but it didn't work. He said that the trick seems to be the water. Everywhere else water is fluoridated and filled with some other cr*p and the process of removing it from the water does something to the structure of the water and it slightly modifies the nano particle of nano soma and it becomes something else.

He repeated several times that the metadichol doesn't heal anything but the trick is in it's modifying capabilities on all nuclear receptors, genomes etc.
There was some doctor in his conference - who is register tuberculosis specialist - but lives near the oncology clinic where he knows a few doctors and long story short patient cured lung cancer by supplementing nano soma and rejecting radiation and all the procedures. He came to see and look at MRI of the lungs and listened to the story and the doctors and he was fascinated by what he saw. I mean he shared the images and hospital signature and everything which also made it more believable for the sceptics like myself. They shared tones of fascinating success stories.
I think he is a suave marketer as well as a brilliant scientist. Half and half.

It's too simplistic.

We've long been in this forum and I think we can all agree that it's not easy to heal from chronic diseases. And the reason is that solutions are very contextual.

To hear it from him, it's a piece of cake. His product may be a vital piece of the puzzle, but the impression I get from him is that it's like finding the proverbial fountain of youth.

A health fantasy I enjoyed watching is Elysium, where the poor finally gets access to a machine reserved for the elite- that heals all afflictions.

It may be helpful at its best, but not the one that will deliver the devastating knockout punch. More experimentation more backbreaking work still needed to heal. Small hallelujah moments instead of Handel's Messiah in store.
 

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@Jam what are your thoughts on using vitamin C when on iodide/iodine therapy?

Isn't iodide/iodine considered oxidants, and because vitamin C is an antioxidant, they would cancel each other out when taken together?
 

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I took 3 x 150mg SSKI in one day and the next 3 days I seem to observe the residual effect hanging on. I have got to learn to cycle as I haven't done that and it's not intuitive at all.
Have you tried starting at a low dose and only increasing by 1 drop every 3-4 days or every week, and if detox or other symptoms become uncomfortable, backing down to the last dose you were comfortable at? Seems like you dived into the deep end pretty quickly when trying the iodide.
 

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Have you tried starting at a low dose and only increasing by 1 drop every 3-4 days or every week, and if detox or other symptoms become uncomfortable, backing down to the last dose you were comfortable at? Seems like you dived into the deep end pretty quickly when trying the iodide.
I've used this dosage before and I didn't get any negative effect but then I was sick so that trial didn't last long and wasn't a good gauge. This time, I wanted to see what just a day of use at that dosage would do. It lasted longer than I imagined.
 

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@Jam what are your thoughts on using vitamin C when on iodide/iodine therapy?

Isn't iodide/iodine considered oxidants, and because vitamin C is an antioxidant, they would cancel each other out when taken together?
Ascorbic acid reduces iodine to iodide, so I would take it a couple hours away from iodine. It can be taken with iodide without interfering.
 

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Ascorbic acid reduces iodine to iodide, so I would take it a couple hours away from iodine. It can be taken with iodide without interfering.
Great! Thanks a lot.

I had a live blood and dried blood consult yesterday and one of the things I need to take is vitamin C.
 

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Ascorbic acid reduces iodine to iodide, so I would take it a couple hours away from iodine. It can be taken with iodide without interfering.
is iodide considered an antioxidant.

also what does iodine/iodide do to PUFA, does it make pufa more tolerable and safer. like all these seafoods contain pufa alongside iodine and vitamin d.
 

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is iodide considered an antioxidant.

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also what does iodine/iodide do to PUFA,
 

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Addition of iodide and arachidonic acid to rat thyroid lobes resulted in the formation and release of the iodolactone, which was inhibited by methimazole. These data suggest that peroxidases capable of oxidizing halides could provide a new pathway of arachidonic acid metabolism, besides cyclooxygenase and lipoxygenases.


 

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In mammary cancer (solid tumors or tumor cell lines), 6-IL has been detected after molecular iodine (I2) supplement, and is a potent activator of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor type gamma (PPARγ). These observations led us to propose I2 supplement as a novel coadjutant therapy which, by inducing differentiation mechanisms, decreases tumor progression and prevents chemoresistance. Some kinds of tumoral cells, in contrast to normal cells, contain high concentrations of arachidonic acid, making the I2 supplement a potential "magic bullet" that enables local, specific production of 6-IL, which then exerts antineoplastic actions with minimal deleterious effects on normal tissues.

Clinical relevance​

PPAR-gamma has been implicated in the pathology of numerous diseases including obesity, diabetes, atherosclerosis, and cancer.[35] PPAR-gamma agonists have been used in the treatment of hyperlipidaemia and hyperglycemia.[36][37] PPAR-gamma decreases the inflammatory response of many cardiovascular cells, particularly endothelial cells.[38] PPAR-gamma activates the PON1 gene, increasing synthesis and release of paraoxonase 1 from the liver, reducing atherosclerosis.[39]

A diet low in fiber reduces the production of butyric acid and propionic acid by microbiota in the colon, which can induce inflammation and have other adverse affects insofar as these short-chain fatty acids activate PPAR-gamma.[40] Low PPAR-gamma reduces the capacity of adipose tissue to store fat, resulting in increased storage of fat in nonadipose tissue (lipotoxicity).[41] A soy protein diet increases adipose tissue PPAR-gamma, thereby reducing lipotoxicity.[41]

Many insulin sensitizing drugs (namely, the thiazolidinediones) used in the treatment of diabetes activate PPARG as a means to lower serum glucose without increasing pancreatic insulin secretion. Activation of PPARG is more effective for skeletal muscle insulin resistance than for insulin resistance of the liver.[42] Different classes of compounds which activate PPARG weaker than thiazolidinediones (the so-called "partial agonists of PPARgamma") are currently studied with the hope that such compounds would be still effective hypoglycemic agents but with fewer side effects.[43]

The medium-chain triglyceride decanoic acid has been shown to be a partially-activating PPAR-gamma ligand that does not increase adipogenesis.[44] Activation of PPAR-gamma by decanoic acid has been shown to increase mitochondrial number, increase the mitochondrial enzyme citrate synthase, increase complex I activity in mitochondria, and increase activity of the antioxidant enzyme catalase.[45]

A fusion protein of PPAR-γ1 and the thyroid transcription factor PAX8 is present in approximately one-third of follicular thyroid carcinomas, to be specific those cancers with a chromosomal translocation of t(2;3)(q13;p25), which permits juxtaposition of portions of both genes.[46][47]

The phytocannabinoid cannabidiol (CBD) has been shown to activate PPAR gamma in in vitro and in vivo models.[48][49] The cannabinoid carboxylic acids THCA, CBDA and CBGA activate PPARy more efficient than their decarboxylated products; however, THCA was the acid found with highest activity. As a synthetic analog of THC‐COOH (the major non‐psychotropic metabolite of THC), ajulemic acid also is a potent PPARγ agonist. The carboxylic acid group is critical for a stronger and a long activation time.[50]
 

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. . Jobling has shown that the decomposition products of some fats--unsaturated fatty acids and their soaps--have the most decisive inhibiting action upon proteolytic ferments, their power being in a sense proportional to the degree of unsaturation of the fatty acid. So universally is it true that such unsaturated fatty acids can impede the action of proteolytic ferments that many pathological conditions (such as the persistence of caseous tuberculous material in its solid form) can be shown to be due to their presence. If they are rendered impotent by saturation of their unsaturated group with iodine, the proteolysis goes on rapidly and the caseous tubercle or gumma rapidly softens.[44]


Another comment by MacCallum suggests one way in which unsaturated fats could block the action of cytotoxic cells:


This function of the wandering cells is, of course, of immediate importance in connection with their task of cleaning up the injured area to prepare it for repair. While the proteases thus produced are active in the solution of undesirable material, their unbridled action might be detrimental. As a matter of fact, it is shown by Jobling and Petersen that the anti-ferment known to be present in the serum and to restrict the action of the ferment is a recognizable chemical substance, usually a soap or other combination of an unsaturated fatty acid. It is possible to remove or decompose this substance or to saturate the fatty acid with iodine and thus release the ferment to its full activity. [45]
 

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7 months since my high-dose SSKI experiment, which I aborted because I was getting very acidic and my heart was racing as a result, I finally am able to hypothesize on why that happened. This was after observing my response to a day of taking a 3 x 150mg dose of SSKI -

- the large drops in spO2 during sleep occurred once again during my sleep
- my bp stayed as high as previous days, so no improvement or worsening
- both urine and saliva pH became more acidic, and my breath rate increased from 14 to 16 breaths/min (indicate increased serum acidity)

But most notable is that there was an inversion in the pH of urine and saliva. What this means is that usually the pH of urine is lower than that of my saliva. But this time it wasn't the case. The pH of urine became higher than that of my saliva.

Normally, this inversion is taken as a bad sign, as in a classic sense this meant that the body was in an extreme case of acidity such that the H+ ions in blood would be exchanged for the K+ ions in cells in order to lower the acidity in blood, and since there would be no H+ ions available to make ammonium (NH4+) from ammonia (NH3), the salts excreted by the kidneys via urine would not be acidic but alkaline as the salts to be excreted would be potassium salts (or magnesium, or calcium).

But in my case, this was not borne out of an extreme imbalance in the general system, but from what I suspect to be the iodide becoming available, due to the megadosing, to phagocytize microbes at deeper tissue levels. Thus, there would be spillover ROS as usual released, and this would be a source of acidity that would be manifested in higher acidity in saliva.

While this is a good thing, the oxidative stress from the spillover ROS still would need to be relieved by the oxidation of endogenous antixodants, and it seems that albumin is the antioxidant of choice. Oxidized albumin does not get recycled, and is released via urination. Serum albumin is reduced, and blood volume as well. And this causes high blood pressure to compensate for the lower blood volume.

At this point, if I were to use SSKI, my only choice would be to use it sporadically, cycling its usage while I use other substances in my SSKI-off days.

I have a few substances in mind but I still have to research them further as to their suitability.

So I went through 4 days of using hi dose Lugol's in the amount of 3 x 50 drops (20 drops/ml) of 2% Lugol's.

My blood pressure did not go down. It went up instead. But my metabolism increased as well, so that may largely account for the increase in bp. My heart rate went up, but my QTc went down which would show an increase in metabolism. So, instead of giving a negative impression of my use of Lugol's, on this basis I give it a neutral as it's a wash. It would have been a negative had my increase in bp resulted in a headache or a bad feeling, but eveything was peachy as usual.

After those four days, I am taking a break from supps over the weekend and today is my 2nd and last day of the weekend break. What I noticed today was that my feet looked different. It looked more skinny in a good way. The good I see is that compared to what I was seeing with my feet, I was actually slightly edematous for a long time without knowing it until I could compare to what I'm seeing today. However, this edematous condition I speak of is hard to notice as it isn't the kind of edema you would see usually from old people. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being really bad, it was a 1.

So, it is a piece of good news before I segue into the nitty gritty of my 4 day trial.

I note all throughout that I was urinating a lot. Instead of urinating every 2 hours a night prior, I was urinating every hour. And the urination is usually more than would fill a 200ml cup, As with high volume urination that I have observed in my case, the urine is alkaline, and the urine is a pleasant yellow ranging from golden to light to sometimes being transparent. This contrasts with acidic urine I had before where the volume is light at around half a cup.

What makes my urine special this time around is that it is almost always very alkaline, and that as with my note on using SSKI for a day, the urine pH is higher or more alkaline than the saliva pH. I note this as an inversion before because it is not typical of the pH observed in urine and saliva of a person with good acid base balance.

This leads me to think that the Lugol's solution was penetrating deeply into the interstitial spaces and causing production of acids that is first reflected in my saliva before it is reflected in my urine. And this only means that the acidity is showing in the lymphatic system before it is shown in the circulatory system, where the saliva is a reflection of the lymphatic system and where urine is a reflection of the circulatory system. As wastes in the interstitial fluids are transported via the lymphatic system and released into the circulatory system somewhere near the heart and the lungs.

Since my urine is uncharacteristically alkaline, where I would often see 5.5 ph and I'd be lucky to see 6.4, I was consistently getting 6.6, it appears that Lugol's wasn't working on any pathogens that may be in the blood or in the blood vessels intima layer or media layer. It could be that the pathogens there are already down to minimal levels, and that what's left to clean up is deeper into the interstitial fluid, Or that Lugol's may be working on areas in the tissues where it's anoxic or anaerobic. I really don't know.

And I haven't considered whether Lugol's is penetrating even to the intracellular space.

But because my urine has been foamy, I am assuming that that whatever acidity is being generated in the interstitial spaces, it involves pathogens that are being phagocytized and this involves the spillover of ROS. And albumin is still being used (as my bp is still not going down) as an antioxidant to quell the oxidative stress of spillover ROS. This is being confirmed by noting that on the times when I was sleeping where I wake up to urinate, when my urine is more alkaline than my saliva each time I would be awake to urinate, they are always accompanied by steep drops in spO2, which I take to associate with heavy respiratory burst activity.

But what I can't understand though is if the phagocytic activity is in the interstitial spaces, are both neutrophils and macrophages still heavily involved, or is the activity limited to macrophages, given that neutrophils are not given to penetrate into the tissues? If this were the case, then that would explain less MPO activity given that neutrophils use MPO and macrophages don't? And if macrophages are solely involved in phagocytosis here, would T-lymphocytes be used to destroy the debris left by the dead macrophage, and would this recurring activity that uses up T-lymphocytes account for why my T-lymphocytes are often low? I am not making much sense now as I give in to my free flowing thoughts as they come.

I wonder why my urine and saliva overall is less acidic now as well, and it may also be that iodine is overcoming the evasive action of pathogens, and making it less necessary to generate cytokines to activate more immune cell activity which is often inflammatory and causing more acid production. Or that iodine is making the complement receptors more receptive such that immune complexes that aren't being eaten up by T-lymphocytes finally are.

So many questions that may be left unanswered.
 

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What I noticed today was that my feet looked different. It looked more skinny in a good way. The good I see is that compared to what I was seeing with my feet, I was actually slightly edematous for a long time without knowing it until I could compare to what I'm seeing today. However, this edematous condition I speak of is hard to notice as it isn't the kind of edema you would see usually from old people. On a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being really bad, it was a 1.
I watched a few videos on the lymphatics today by Medicosis Perfectionalis on Youtube. Glad it wasn't too difficult to listen to. I now realize that the use of Lugol's definitely caused the edema to subside. I had always thought of edema as the cell getting bloated, but it turns out that an edematous condition can also be caused by congestion in the lymph. I think what caused my slight edema to go away was some pathogens congested in the interstitial space and in the lympathic circulation getting cleared such that the edema disappeared.

I'm taking a break again from using iodide/iodine as it made me tired from having to wake up too often at night to urinate, which though I now see the increased urination as a good thing, being that it is a sign of infection being dealt with, it is disturbing my sleep and making me exhausted after a night's sleep. I will be trying other antimicrobials to see if a way can be found to kill pathogens without causing too much urination and the attendant high use of albumin as an antioxidant that leads to my high blood pressure. I'll start off with using copper acetate, which I have used before in smaller quantities. It wasn't effective before and it may be my dosage was too low to be effective.

I however, would come back to iodide and iodine in the future if other alternatives fail. I may just have to lower my dose so that my sleep won't be disturbed too often.
 

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@Jam @Makrosky I thought I should continue here as the other thread is really about specific dental problems.

The SSKI and selenium methionine arrived yesterday. I took 3 drops SSKI and 1 capsule of 200mg selenium each morning.

Both days I walked easily ~6 miles, didn't have the best nights sleep but I think that was due to something else, (Low riboflavin and/or salt) not the SSKI.

Anyway, my legs felt like I could have walked forever and while this could be just to enjoying being out in the sun at last, the SSKI certainly didn't seem to hurt endurance/mood. My shoulder is still sore - yery early days yet of course.

Do you think this combo also helps control estrogen? Could it help with body composition?
 

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@Jam @Makrosky I thought I should continue here as the other thread is really about specific dental problems.

The SSKI and selenium methionine arrived yesterday. I took 3 drops SSKI and 1 capsule of 200mg selenium each morning.

Both days I walked easily ~6 miles, didn't have the best nights sleep but I think that was due to something else, (Low riboflavin and/or salt) not the SSKI.

Anyway, my legs felt like I could have walked forever and while this could be just to enjoying being out in the sun at last, the SSKI certainly didn't seem to hurt endurance/mood. My shoulder is still sore - yery early days yet of course.

Do you think this combo also helps control estrogen? Could it help with body composition?
I can relate the big increase in stamina yes. It is the iodide for sure. Estrogen yes it is supposed to lower it but not 100% sure. Body composition no idea.

Stay well fed.
 

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