Intelligent People More Likely To Suffer From Mental Illness

[Travis]

It's simply meaningless. Would you care how a middle schooler perceives you? As pretentious as it sounds, that is close to how it feels. We have our own simple pursuits that make us happy. Reading, arts, simply existing, what more do you need? Most pursuits are based on delusion in one form or another.

Nice comment. Paragraphs like this make me wish there was a unicode character for the question mark–comma fusion,* to indicate a question in the middle of a sentence while continuing after a pause. Also much needed is the exclamation comma, a stylistic new chimera that is yet to be programmed into standard computer text (although individual types (sorts) are often cast by hobbyists for the typesetting of antique Gutenberg presses—making publications in which the distribution speed is limited by things such as mailtrucks, horses, airplanes, and paperboys.)

There are regional differences. For example: overuse of the footnote symbol dagger (†) is often seen in Detroit, and the misuse of the colon [:] is extremely common in San Francisco—most notably in The Castro District.

*In the spirit of the interrobang (‽), the exlcamation–question mark fusion. While creative, I find the simple glyphs (⁈) and (⁉) less ambiguous. Whenever I see the interrobang I don't think a "spirited question," or even "inquisitive excitement." When I see the interrobang I think "WTF is that⁉"
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[Prosper]

There are heads of state and CEOs that score higher lmao!

I would worry myself to death if there weren't. Do you have a point? Or are you trying to intimidate me? Let me tell you: it won't work. I am an immeasurably massive monolith of refined intellect. You are an isolated grain of finely ground cat litter. I absorb ethereal thoughtforms and produce illuminating metaconcepts. You absorb piss and produce distasteful smell.

@Travis I find it difficult to grasp what you're trying to imply. All the question marks in the passage you quoted were meant to function as sentence-ending question marks. If you want to say something, say it. I don't care for your snobby references and random trivia.

 

[Such_Saturation]

I would worry myself to death if there weren't. Do you have a point? Or are you trying to intimidate me? Let me tell you: it won't work. I am an immeasurably massive monolith of refined intellect. You are an isolated grain of finely ground cat litter. I absorb ethereal thoughtforms and produce illuminating metaconcepts. You absorb piss and produce distasteful smell.

@Travis I find it difficult to grasp what you're trying to imply. All the question marks in the passage you quoted were meant to function as sentence-ending question marks. If you want to say something, say it. I don't care for your snobby references and random trivia.

No I'm just saying you get most of the bad sides with none of the good sides that they get.

 

[Constatine]

I would worry myself to death if there weren't. Do you have a point? Or are you trying to intimidate me? Let me tell you: it won't work. I am an immeasurably massive monolith of refined intellect. You are an isolated grain of finely ground cat litter. I absorb ethereal thoughtforms and produce illuminating metaconcepts. You absorb piss and produce distasteful smell.

I think you need to put your great intellect to better use. Also I have yet to meet anyone who has the intellect they believe they have. Yes you are probably smart, but one's intelligence and knowledge is always dwarfed by what they don't know and what they can never understand. One with great awareness will be humbled. The more knowledge one gathers and the more their mind develops the more humble they should become. The belief that one is vastly intelligent reflects Ray Peat's definition of Rationalism. Or thinking something is true because you thought it.

 

[Travis]

I find it difficult to grasp what you're trying to imply.

That's because I wasn't implying anything. If I had tried to imply something, I would have; and I would have made it easy to discern.

All the question marks in the passage you quoted were meant to function as sentence-ending question marks.

I know.

If you want to say something, say it. I don't care for your snobby references and random trivia.

I did, I said "nice comment." You can take that to mean that I liked your comment.

It's just that we don't have a unicode symbol for two punctuation characters which I would personally like to see, and reading you comment reminded me of this—since I saw a perfect place for the question mark–comma character.

I think that if enough people demand the question mark–comma character, it will eventually be made. Some computer programmer has to put this into ASCII eventually.

This is what it looks like:



The question mark–comma character should in no way be seen as trivial: I think we need this, I really do.

 

[lollipop]

Nice comment. Paragraphs like this make me wish there was a unicode character for the question mark–comma fusion,* to indicate a question in the middle of a sentence while continuing after a pause. Also much needed is the exclamation comma, a stylistic new chimera that is yet to be programmed into standard computer text (although individual types (sorts) are often cast by hobbyists for the typesetting of antique Gutenberg presses—making publications in which the distribution speed is limited by things such as mailtrucks, horses, airplanes, and paperboys.)

There are regional differences. For example: overuse of the footnote symbol dagger (†) is often seen in Detroit, and the misuse of the colon [:] is extremely common in San Francisco—most notably in The Castro District.

*In the spirit of the interrobang (‽), the exlcamation–question mark fusion. While creative, I find the simple glyphs (⁈) and (⁉) less ambiguous. Whenever I see the interrobang I don't think a "spirited question," or even "inquisitive excitement." When I see the interrobang I think "WTF is that⁉"
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Honestly, this post had me grinning from ear to ear. I feel the pain of not having the appropriate symbol and regularly use ?!?!?! multiple times to make my point grrrgh...

 

[Thoushant]

About the seeing connections and being creative, Lupe Fiasco everybody.




And like all points discussed here, he has said some negative things about Obama back in the day, which ended up hurting his image, and in general is some kind of eccentric in behaviour.

 

[bdawg]

Nor should he. Your linguistic competence is only as high as the complexity of the most difficult language you can communicate in. Being able to speak somali, ebonics or other loose garbage-tier language adds roughly 0% intellectual bragging value to the assets of anyone who can also speak English, Spanish or any other comprehensive language. Me being able to learn basic English is no feat, but rather an inevitability, due to my native language being dozens of times more complex than yours. Do you think I had to deliberately STUDY english? HA!

 

[Drareg]

As for your optimism towards people with high IQ, beyond a certain point it becomes relatively easy to grow completely disillusioned with not only the surrounding society, but the reality itself. The more intelligent you are, the harder it is to care about the things most of the general public cares about. The harder it is to relate to other people. The harder it is to find activities that appear purposeful and worth the effort. What you refer to as "seeing the world as it is" tends to translate to a series of existential conclusions and value judgements that result in either pessimistic nihilism or self-centered zen, not a desire to make millions. Since high self-awareness leads to high capability for self-validation, for most highly intelligent individuals simple personal pursuits become more meaningful than anything else, and these interests rarely align with what is commonly defined as success. The only societally impactful outcome can occur when the high IQ individual decides to embrace the society by dedicating their life to helping it in any way they can. Yet that seems to be rare.

Me and one of my friends consistently test between 130-135 on various IQ tests and both of us are classical losers from the perspective of any western society. We are unemployed, poorly educated loners. Neither of us cares about our reputation in the eyes of the society. It's simply meaningless. Would you care how a middle schooler perceives you? As pretentious as it sounds, that is close to how it feels. We have our own simple pursuits that make us happy. Reading, arts, simply existing, what more do you need? Most pursuits are based on delusion in one form or another.[/QUOTE]
@Prosper
Yes they are creative, my point was most "experts" don’t agree, they are from the mind of another human relative to how they create meaning,you believe in them yet go on to explain how society is meaningless,most pursuits are deluions for you except IQ tests,you don’t care about reputation in the eyes of society yet keep doing IQ tests
The idea in your case is to be financially secure and then go back to nihilism and delusion,I’m not a psycho so I do care how a middle schooler perceives me,if I scare a middle schooler with my nihilist rantings it will hurt them and possibly hurt me in the future,child now an adult is traumatized and raging against humanity etc,this is self centered zen but then the experts say we all evolve form the same scource and the gurus say we are one,according to IQ experts you should be naturally seeking out higher intelligent drives,the simple pursuits you mention is just you showing humility as usual.

The rest is your definition,the majority of "experts" in IQ testing think otherwise,successful life outcomes as they define them involve high incomes etc ,it was their definitions I was speaking of,they push social agendas off this,your lifestyle you describe sounds similar to the bushmen in Africa,a place the "experts" see as low intelligent.
A meaningless society is still a society with meaning,your also dying which has meaning,we have tortured souls everywhere these days.

 

[Drareg]

Grammar police/authoritarians have turned up......
Why must we bow to those who defined the rules of grammar,it’s an evolving creative force,changes throughout time,luddites trying to stifle.
The intelligence in this thread......

 

[Travis]

Ever since I've started writing for money, I've started paying attention to lesser things such as punctuation and special unicode symbols. It's true, I can tell you the meaning of all seven horizotal lines (—,―,–,‒,‐,-,−), what they stand for, and when they should be used and not.

But if you would have actually paid attention, you would have realized that I wasn't policing anybody: I was merely trying to popularize a certain punctuation character that exists in concept, but not in practice. Perhaps take a moment to think about how nice it would be to have a question mark–comma character on your keypad? an intuitive character for punctuating questions mid-sentence.

Why must we bow to those who defined the rules of grammar,it’s an evolving creative force,changes throughout time

It is. That is why I'm all for the question mark–comma character.

 

[Constatine]

As for your optimism towards people with high IQ, beyond a certain point it becomes relatively easy to grow completely disillusioned with not only the surrounding society, but the reality itself. The more intelligent you are, the harder it is to care about the things most of the general public cares about. The harder it is to relate to other people. The harder it is to find activities that appear purposeful and worth the effort. What you refer to as "seeing the world as it is" tends to translate to a series of existential conclusions and value judgements that result in either pessimistic nihilism or self-centered zen, not a desire to make millions. Since high self-awareness leads to high capability for self-validation, for most highly intelligent individuals simple personal pursuits become more meaningful than anything else, and these interests rarely align with what is commonly defined as success. The only societally impactful outcome can occur when the high IQ individual decides to embrace the society by dedicating their life to helping it in any way they can. Yet that seems to be rare.

I don't think meaning and motivation are so dependent on intelligence. As an experiment you can try starving yourself of all stimulus including sexual stimulus (no porn or ejaculation) for a time. Once sufficiently starved you might find yourself passionate about even the most mundane tasks. I had similar beliefs to yourself before I practiced meditation, semen retention, and stimulus reduction in general (limit rewarding tasks like browsing the internet). Also if I were to guess you probably have information-thought addiction and cannot exists outside your own head for too long. Try calming your mind. I do not intend to be condescending, in fact I am probably projecting. But I'm just trying to be helpful.

 

[Drareg]

Ever since I've started writing for money, I've started paying attention to lesser things such as punctuation and special unicode symbols. It's true, I can tell you the meaning of all seven horizotal lines (—,―,–,‒,‐,-,−), what they stand for, and when they should be used and not.

But if you would have actually paid attention, you would have realized that I wasn't policing anybody: I was merely trying to popularize a certain punctuation character that exists in concept, but not in practice. Perhaps take a moment to think about how nice it would be to have a question mark–comma character on your keypad? an intuitive character for punctuating questions mid-sentence.

It is. That is why I'm all for the question mark–comma character.

By all means do it then,nobody is trying to stop you here,I will still read the comment regardless,it’s a back and forth in a thread so each comment in a way is a question,this is intuitively known ,my comment is in jest it doesn’t need to be taken so serious,Good to keep in mind that some us write quick responses while at work on a mobile device,we are just conveying a general idea,I don’t need a question mark when speaking face to face nor do always have to say I have a question or can I ask a question,if I say "what" it conveys my intention in most cases,I think it will be nicer when we can talk to the screen instead of tapping keys all day.
Even if a book was written with terrible grammar I will still read it if the idea is good,most things we do are verbose and most words are redundant,we are all talking crap most of the time. It seems we long to leverage our energy in the best way we can,maximum effect from minimum amount of energy used,an extra key is too much to handle/finger what.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

I'm actually Mensa eligible. I considered wearing a fedora hat, but ultimately it revealed itself that my katana sharp wit can cut through any peasents. My IQ is 2 deviations squared over the median.
I just hate how these bros and their ordinary subpar intelligence get all the money and the girls. you will never bore with me, we will talk about Gilbert Ling and Gargoyl all night long. I should be CEO, I offered that Tesla guy, in a conference full of people, and he laughed me off, what a douche.
I watch mahuisen , Shaneryo Mahaito is my favorite producer, no one can tell stories about late teen girls fighting octopus' better than him. pff pathetic you watch House of cards.
Society is messed up, if only they would listen to my enlightend atheistic englighenment. Sam Harris I love you.
You think you know better because you're a doctor??? I teach you low grade biochem, pfffff pathetic

Best post. I believe this is an accurate representation of everyone bragging about their IQ.

 

[Thoushant]

@Hugh Johnson Right?

This current study seems to deal with Highly Sensitive personalities, they're like humans with spider senses.
And because of their increased awareness, individuals with a high IQ then typically exhibit a hyperreactive central nervous system. For example, “a minor insult such as a clothing tag or an unnatural sound may trigger a low level, chronic stress response which then activates a hyper body response,”

Just as described, they have some sort of sensory information overflow, and I think they tend to be above average Intelligence.
Autism I think is interesting, as it's mentioned along with ADHD in the study. Accepted view is autistic don't do well socially, because of poor emotional recognition abilities. But emotion recognition tests in autists show they identify the 6 basic, as well as complex emotions as pride as good as healthy, but they don't actively look at the face a way someone wanting to relate does, they take everything in.
Karla Mclaren works with autists and she brings empathy and understanding(instead of unintentionally talking condescendingly to them, or treat them differently), and she suggests autistic children empathize too much, so they just end up in shock when they see an emotion. I think that is a very good reason to not actively seek out shock..

 

[Thoushant]

As for the criticism of DSM in psychotic disorders:

psychotic disorders present with an underlying theme or progress, often dillusional thoughts, "thought transfer", or hearing someone in their head, paranoia, somebody is out to get them. On top of that, you can present with depression, so you've flatlind, or mania, so you're kinda on top of the world. DSM categorizes the symptoms into "positive effect" and "negative effect" so positve, you have gained something "voices in your head" and negative, you have lost something, speech abnormalities, memory troubles.

The psychotic medications are no joke, so obviously an understanding of just wth is going on with the individual is needed, before you decide a psychotic is a good idea.

The DSM categorization is constantly changed, because there are new finding constantly, and DSM tries to categorize how schizophrenia is affecting a person.

Without DSM your doctor would be lost. Someone might claim the police is out to get him, so he hijacks a train with guns and demands the train operater to take him to the moon. Another woman(And you can find a youtube channel) is 100pct sure that the UPS guys are spying on her, so she confronts every one of them while filming "why are you following me?" and demans explanations.
Another person in Mania would decide it is a good idea to buy and raise an elephant, despite living in the city.
A third person would just spend 100k in one single weekend on shopping, poor impulse control.
You see? How do you want your psyciatrist to manage this? bottom line is, there is something "different" in their judgement and the way they percieve the world, and research which DSM is built on have found associations of how psychiatric disease manifests. It's not solely to judge social outliers as mentally ill. I HOPE.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

@Hugh Johnson Right?

This current study seems to deal with Highly Sensitive personalities, they're like humans with spider senses.
And because of their increased awareness, individuals with a high IQ then typically exhibit a hyperreactive central nervous system. For example, “a minor insult such as a clothing tag or an unnatural sound may trigger a low level, chronic stress response which then activates a hyper body response,”

Just as described, they have some sort of sensory information overflow, and I think they tend to be above average Intelligence.
Autism I think is interesting, as it's mentioned along with ADHD in the study. Accepted view is autistic don't do well socially, because of poor emotional recognition abilities. But emotion recognition tests in autists show they identify the 6 basic, as well as complex emotions as pride as good as healthy, but they don't actively look at the face a way someone wanting to relate does, they take everything in.
Karla Mclaren works with autists and she brings empathy and understanding(instead of unintentionally talking condescendingly to them, or treat them differently), and she suggests autistic children empathize too much, so they just end up in shock when they see an emotion. I think that is a very good reason to not actively seek out shock..

I think there might also be another factor. More intelligent people have more control over their behaviour and can learn behaviours that go against instinct more easily. Higher IQ is correlated with weird sexualities, staying up late, experimenting with drugs etc. All things that the animal part does not like.

A lot of the stuff taught in the society are lies, so if you believe the crap they teach in schools and media and the pretexts the authorities give you are going to have a incoherent and dysfuntional model of the world. And if you are intelligent, you will also notice the the words and actions of most people do not match, and you will notice that pointing that out is a very bad idea. Most people so not like their model of the world questioned, as that feels like an existential threat to people.

"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society"

That was incoherent, I have not fully fleshed out the idea I'm trying to express here,but I think there is something there.

 

[Prosper]

I don't think meaning and motivation are so dependent on intelligence. As an experiment you can try starving yourself of all stimulus including sexual stimulus (no porn or ejaculation) for a time. Once sufficiently starved you might find yourself passionate about even the most mundane tasks. I had similar beliefs to yourself before I practiced meditation, semen retention, and stimulus reduction in general (limit rewarding tasks like browsing the internet). Also if I were to guess you probably have information-thought addiction and cannot exists outside your own head for too long. Try calming your mind. I do not intend to be condescending, in fact I am probably projecting. But I'm just trying to be helpful.

I have been on the NoFap wagon on and off since 2011. You're certanly right, prolonged periods of abstinence do increase the general pleasurability of daily life. It's nice, but not much else than that. The web of existential axioms you have weaved upon your unconscious interpretation of the sensorily experienced reality remains the same. Hedonism is not a real philosophical stance. It's childlike denial. Abundance of joy is not an absence of despair. Likewise, abundance of meaning is not an absence of meaninglessness. Using fundamentally hedonistic means to justify proactive maintenance of your conscious experience is unsustainable in the long term. Passion (or even absolute bliss) by itself doesn't penetrate deep enough to concretely interact with a worldview built on existential pessimism. It's a distraction. Nothing else.

Meditation is a more legitimate focus of yours, but you miss the whole point. Merely seeking to empty your mind is fruitless wankery. The ultimate meditative experience is to not exist at all. That's when you have reached something real and profound.

No I'm just saying you get most of the bad sides with none of the good sides that they get.

I don't care. That's life. Would you also urge me to feel bad for being less handsome than someone else? What kind of sick mind are you?

you believe in them yet go on to explain how society is meaningless,most pursuits are deluions for you except IQ tests,you don’t care about reputation in the eyes of society yet keep doing IQ tests

This level of surely intentional misinterpretation is almost impolite. Please don't reply to posts made by me or my family ever again.

 

[Makrosky]

. I had similar beliefs to yourself before I practiced meditation, semen retention, and stimulus reduction in general (limit rewarding tasks like browsing the internet).

Interesting theory... is it solely based on your experience ? Or do you have other sources to back it up ?

 

[Such_Saturation]

I don't care. That's life. Would you also urge me to feel bad for being less handsome than someone else? What kind of sick mind are you?

I'm urging you not to state your case as the rule, or even the norm for that matter.