Injaculation (Retrograde Ejeculation) As A NoFap Substitute

[Jing]

Maybe you didn’t read too much about it’s effects on addiction and dopamine. I’d like to try it soon, BTW

I don't need to read more .. if you need to take a drug so you can keep on ejaculating that is only going to make more problems in the long run.

 

[Jing]

Then you abstain, of course.

But I thought you said no fap is just people raking in money?

 

[lampofred]

I think the need to masturbate might be driven primarily by nitric oxide as opposed to testosterone. I've completely lost my desire to masturbate for quite a while now after I started taking methylene blue.

 

[rei]

But I thought you said no fap is just people raking in money?

popularization of it. Truth is that according to currently available evidence you probably should ejaculate once in a while, if it makes you feel better. Simple as that, nofap is a viral campaign, a promoted concept that is not rooted in anything but belief.

Maybe even promoted by people that have gone manic from unresolved urges?

 

[Jing]

popularization of it. Truth is that according to currently available evidence you probably should ejaculate once in a while, if it makes you feel better. Simple as that, nofap is a viral campaign, a promoted concept that is not rooted in anything but belief.

So why do so many people feel better with no ejaculation?

 

[rei]

There is enough people in the world that many will feel better doing anything. What research are you refering to that in the population at large nofap makes them feel better?

See, i have no doubt nofap makes a masturbation addict feel better. But better than doing it once a week? That is not any longer supported by evidence, AFAIK.

 

[Jing]

There is enough people in the world that many will feel better doing anything. What research are you refering to that in the population at large nofap makes them feel better?

See, i have no doubt nofap makes a masturbation addict feel better. But better than doing it once a week? That is not any longer supported by evidence, AFAIK.

There's no fap forums where plenty of people feel better with no ejaculation .. I also feel better with no ejaculation ..

 

[YourUniverse]

Do we know definitively why masturbation makes people feel worse/tired? Prolactin or etc..?

 

[Logan-]

From:Cupid's Poisoned Arrow


***“On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak.”
A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. - PubMed - NCBI


***Even though ejaculations seemingly have no significant effects on serum testosterone levels, they can (at least according to rodent studies) alter the body’s ability to utilize testosterone. It has been seen that after multiple ejaculations a sharp decline in androgen receptors takes place inside the hypothalamus, and not only that, but a sharp increase in estrogen receptors follows as well. One rodent study also found out that 1 or 2 ejaculations in short span of time increased androgen receptor activity in the body, while 4 or more ejaculations caused a significant drop in the activity of AR, suggesting that ejaculating yourself to “sexual exhaustion” might lower your body’s ability to utilize androgens.
https://www.anabolicmen.com/ejaculation-testosterone/


***Studies have shown if you masturbate more than twice in a day, there becomes a decline in androgen receptors in your brain. These are what allows your body to use testosterone by binding to it – with less of these, the less your body can use and lower your active testosterone levels will be. [7]

And to make matters worse it’s been seen to make estrogen levels increase. [8] While your androgen receptors are on the decline, estrogen receptors are on the rise, meaning they’re binding to more of the female hormone in your body and increasing your risk of lower testosterone.

[7] Romano-Torres M, Phillips-Farfan BV, Chavira R, Rodriguez-Manzo G, Fernandez-Guasti A. Relationship between sexual satiety and brain androgen receptors. Neuroendocrinology. 2007;85:16–26.
[8] Phillips-Farfan BV, Lemus AE, Fernandez-Guasti A. Increased estrogen receptor alpha immunoreactivity in the forebrain of sexually satiated rats. Horm. Behav. 2007;51:328–334.
Does Masturbating Lower Testosterone? - TestoFuel Blog


***Today, there is also a growing number of evidence that links testosterone levels with the number of times you ejaculate in a single day. This is evidenced by changes observed in your number of androgen receptors or receptors that allow you to utilize testosterone throughout your body. Hence with lower androgen receptors, you will essentially also have lower active testosterone levels.

According to a study conducted by the Universidad Veracruzana in Mexico, one to two ejaculations for a short period of time can increase androgen receptor activity. However, when ejaculations are done four or more times during a short period of time, there is a significant reduction in androgen activity. Specifically, it was observed that androgen receptors returned to its baseline level after the fourth ejaculation. (study)

This finding seems to be supported by another study done by the Centro de Investigación y Estudios Avanzados and Instituto Nacional de Ciencias Médicas y Nutrición 'Salvador Zubirán' in Mexico. Their experiment revealed that multiple ejaculations resulted in a significant decline in androgen receptors. (study)

At the same time, a study conducted by CINVESTAV in Mexico found that while androgen receptors are decreased after multiple ejaculations, there is also a significant increase in estrogen receptors. (study)
Is There a Link Between Masturbation and Testosterone?


***Dopamine is a major factor. Drugs and activities whichc change the regulation of dopamine will alter libido. Dopamine agonists (pramiprexole), dopamine reuptake inhibitors (wellbutrin, cocaine, methamphetamine) will all cause increases in reward seeking behavior including but not limited to libido. Dopamine blockers such as antipsychotics are often considered libido killers.

Dopamine is counter-regulated by prolactin which is released after male ejaculation, so increases in prolactin cause dopamine and libido to drastically fall off. The other name for dopamine is prolactin inhibiting hormone, or PIH. Males who are able to ejaculate multiple times in a row with no refractory period tend to have a reduced production of or response to prolactin.

Testosterone is a huge factor in libido for men and women. Testosterone acts as a neuromodulator and potentiates dopamineric activation of the sex drive.
ELI5: What causes libido, and why does it vary so much between people? : explainlikeimfive


***It not only helps regulate testosterone production in men, but also helps to regulate immune functions, salt and water balances, metabolic functions, endocrine system, brain and behavior, and growth and development. Prolactin is what tells your body that it’s satisfied after sex, and lets the arousal mechanisms (aka dopamine) know they can settle down for a bit.
...
Because higher levels of prolactin are found in fathers of young children and in expectant fathers, as compared to un-mated males, according to a large-scale study in the Phillipines, behavioral endocrinologists have theorized that a modest rise in prolactin helps prepare men for the task of fatherhood. It quiets the sex drive, they figure, and along with oxytocin—with its weird reputation for being both the “cuddle” hormone as well as a byproduct of stress—helps dads of young children bond to and empathize with their offspring.
…
Elevated levels prolactin in the blood signals the gonads to make less testosterone (hypogonadism).
…
Sometimes levels also go up during periods of stress, even briefly.
...
It can be helpful to look at prolactin levels next to testosterone levels, because ongoing high prolactin secretion will signal the body to lower testosterone production.
Prolactinemia | Causes of Male Infertility


this is what 'YOU' can achieve after 'X' amount of days!

• 5 minutes - heart rate returns to normal.
  
  
• 2-3 days - guilt and shame seems to decrease.
  
  
• 7 days - brain fog lifts.
  
  
• 14 days - prolactin starts to drop.
  
  
• 14 - 21 days - due to drop in prolactin, dopamine sensitivity increases, you can start to enjoy the little things in life again, no longer emotionally numb, energy levels start to increase big time, confidence also increases.
  
  
• 30 days - cravings and flashbacks noticeably reduce.
  
  
• 30-60 days - PIED symptoms disappear or improve. Erections become rock solid, unless you're PIED symptoms are severe. Confidence keeps rising
  
  
• 42 days - ΔFosB (DeltaFosB) that has accumulated around the nucleus accumbens starts to remove itself. This makes it possible for the neurons in the porn-addicted pathways to now start to slowly break up over time without use.
  
  
• 90 days - considered a full reboot for most people, however people with severe PIED will need longer. Confidence still rising
  
  
• 120 - 150 days - symptoms of severe PIED disappear or improve.

this is what 'YOU' can achieve after 'X' amount of days! : NoFap

 

[InChristAlone]

One of my boyfriend's used to do this instead of using condoms. Thankfully he was really good at it or my life would have taken a very different road.

 

[Logan-]

I think the need to masturbate might be driven primarily by nitric oxide as opposed to testosterone. I've completely lost my desire to masturbate for quite a while now after I started taking methylene blue.

According to Nathan Hatch, elevated levels of nitric oxide (a stress hormone) can cause excessive sexual desire, and he suggests eating GABA-promoting root vegetables like sweet potato and taro to calm it down.

 

[Douglas Ek]

I think injaculation can be a good substitute for NoFap. You still experience the orgasm, satiety, and relaxation; but you don't experience the low energy, lowered motivation, lowered mental capacity, lowered mood etc. that happen after the ejaculation.

The question is, is this dangerous in the long term? Could it have any negative effects on human physiology?

This link explains how it's done: Everything You Need to Know About Injaculation - Selfhacked

When a male reaches orgasm, and the ejaculate is forced to remain 'inside' or redirected into the bladder, either by clenching or physical manipulation through the taint.
Urban Dictionary: injaculate

I can do this through clenching[1]; without any physical manipulation. So, my question applies to that method, not the finger-press method that people generally refer to.

Found this, I don't know if the thoughts given are true : https://www.quora.com/How-does-injaculation-cause-infertility-in-males-check-the-details

[1]: Clenching the muscles of the pelvic floor just before the orgasm prevents ejaculation. Think about how kegel exercises are done, same muscles.

Prolactin is responsible and the reason why after an orgasm you feel you cant go again. So any type of orgasm will stimulate this prolactin release while abstaining from it will increase dopamine and eventually make you horny untill you have sex again. This is the design so you wont fornicate all the time. Also to get you to switch partner

 

[vulture]

Prolactin is responsible and the reason why after an orgasm you feel you cant go again. So any type of orgasm will stimulate this prolactin release while abstaining from it will increase dopamine and eventually make you horny untill you have sex again. This is the design so you wont fornicate all the time. Also to get you to switch partner

I used caberglonine low dose and didn’t see any improvement in that matter. I would give low dose naltrexone a try, but I was expecting reduced refractory periods and more libido/desire.

 

[Nebula]

From:Cupid's Poisoned Arrow


***“On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak.”
A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. - PubMed - NCBI


***Even though ejaculations seemingly have no significant effects on serum testosterone levels, they can (at least according to rodent studies) alter the body’s ability to utilize testosterone. It has been seen that after multiple ejaculations a sharp decline in androgen receptors takes place inside the hypothalamus, and not only that, but a sharp increase in estrogen receptors follows as well. One rodent study also found out that 1 or 2 ejaculations in short span of time increased androgen receptor activity in the body, while 4 or more ejaculations caused a significant drop in the activity of AR, suggesting that ejaculating yourself to “sexual exhaustion” might lower your body’s ability to utilize androgens.
https://www.anabolicmen.com/ejaculation-testosterone/


***Studies have shown if you masturbate more than twice in a day, there becomes a decline in androgen receptors in your brain. These are what allows your body to use testosterone by binding to it – with less of these, the less your body can use and lower your active testosterone levels will be. [7]

And to make matters worse it’s been seen to make estrogen levels increase. [8] While your androgen receptors are on the decline, estrogen receptors are on the rise, meaning they’re binding to more of the female hormone in your body and increasing your risk of lower testosterone.

[7] Romano-Torres M, Phillips-Farfan BV, Chavira R, Rodriguez-Manzo G, Fernandez-Guasti A. Relationship between sexual satiety and brain androgen receptors. Neuroendocrinology. 2007;85:16–26.
[8] Phillips-Farfan BV, Lemus AE, Fernandez-Guasti A. Increased estrogen receptor alpha immunoreactivity in the forebrain of sexually satiated rats. Horm. Behav. 2007;51:328–334.
Does Masturbating Lower Testosterone? - TestoFuel Blog


***Today, there is also a growing number of evidence that links testosterone levels with the number of times you ejaculate in a single day. This is evidenced by changes observed in your number of androgen receptors or receptors that allow you to utilize testosterone throughout your body. Hence with lower androgen receptors, you will essentially also have lower active testosterone levels.

According to a study conducted by the Universidad Veracruzana in Mexico, one to two ejaculations for a short period of time can increase androgen receptor activity. However, when ejaculations are done four or more times during a short period of time, there is a significant reduction in androgen activity. Specifically, it was observed that androgen receptors returned to its baseline level after the fourth ejaculation. (study)

This finding seems to be supported by another study done by the Centro de Investigación y Estudios Avanzados and Instituto Nacional de Ciencias Médicas y Nutrición 'Salvador Zubirán' in Mexico. Their experiment revealed that multiple ejaculations resulted in a significant decline in androgen receptors. (study)

At the same time, a study conducted by CINVESTAV in Mexico found that while androgen receptors are decreased after multiple ejaculations, there is also a significant increase in estrogen receptors. (study)
Is There a Link Between Masturbation and Testosterone?


***Dopamine is a major factor. Drugs and activities whichc change the regulation of dopamine will alter libido. Dopamine agonists (pramiprexole), dopamine reuptake inhibitors (wellbutrin, cocaine, methamphetamine) will all cause increases in reward seeking behavior including but not limited to libido. Dopamine blockers such as antipsychotics are often considered libido killers.

Dopamine is counter-regulated by prolactin which is released after male ejaculation, so increases in prolactin cause dopamine and libido to drastically fall off. The other name for dopamine is prolactin inhibiting hormone, or PIH. Males who are able to ejaculate multiple times in a row with no refractory period tend to have a reduced production of or response to prolactin.

Testosterone is a huge factor in libido for men and women. Testosterone acts as a neuromodulator and potentiates dopamineric activation of the sex drive.
ELI5: What causes libido, and why does it vary so much between people? : explainlikeimfive


***It not only helps regulate testosterone production in men, but also helps to regulate immune functions, salt and water balances, metabolic functions, endocrine system, brain and behavior, and growth and development. Prolactin is what tells your body that it’s satisfied after sex, and lets the arousal mechanisms (aka dopamine) know they can settle down for a bit.
...
Because higher levels of prolactin are found in fathers of young children and in expectant fathers, as compared to un-mated males, according to a large-scale study in the Phillipines, behavioral endocrinologists have theorized that a modest rise in prolactin helps prepare men for the task of fatherhood. It quiets the sex drive, they figure, and along with oxytocin—with its weird reputation for being both the “cuddle” hormone as well as a byproduct of stress—helps dads of young children bond to and empathize with their offspring.
…
Elevated levels prolactin in the blood signals the gonads to make less testosterone (hypogonadism).
…
Sometimes levels also go up during periods of stress, even briefly.
...
It can be helpful to look at prolactin levels next to testosterone levels, because ongoing high prolactin secretion will signal the body to lower testosterone production.
Prolactinemia | Causes of Male Infertility


this is what 'YOU' can achieve after 'X' amount of days!

• 5 minutes - heart rate returns to normal.
  
  
• 2-3 days - guilt and shame seems to decrease.
  
  
• 7 days - brain fog lifts.
  
  
• 14 days - prolactin starts to drop.
  
  
• 14 - 21 days - due to drop in prolactin, dopamine sensitivity increases, you can start to enjoy the little things in life again, no longer emotionally numb, energy levels start to increase big time, confidence also increases.
  
  
• 30 days - cravings and flashbacks noticeably reduce.
  
  
• 30-60 days - PIED symptoms disappear or improve. Erections become rock solid, unless you're PIED symptoms are severe. Confidence keeps rising
  
  
• 42 days - ΔFosB (DeltaFosB) that has accumulated around the nucleus accumbens starts to remove itself. This makes it possible for the neurons in the porn-addicted pathways to now start to slowly break up over time without use.
  
  
• 90 days - considered a full reboot for most people, however people with severe PIED will need longer. Confidence still rising
  
  
• 120 - 150 days - symptoms of severe PIED disappear or improve.

this is what 'YOU' can achieve after 'X' amount of days! : NoFap

The decrease in androgen receptors from multiple ejaculations per day seems like the most likely reason for the negative symptoms associated with male masturbation. It seems the brain and body aren't usually capable of multiple ejaculations per day without increasing stress hormones unless metabolism is very high and even then enough consecutive days of multiple ejaculations per day could raise stress hormones chronically.

So the general advice to men should probably be no more than one ejaculation per day.

But those with already damaged metabolisms and hormonal profiles are probably going to feel better decreasing frequency significantly more until they have resolved their problems.

I've seen guys on nofap forums (even very young guys) say their ED did not go away even after many months of zero masturbating. So it's clear something long term can sometimes be pushed out of balance in some males through multiple ejaculations per day and sometimes it doesn't just fix itself. They aren't just making this up. Something real is going on.

I think this most likely is a decrease in androgen receptors, things that increase androgen receptors density and decrease prolactin would probably be the most helpful for recovery from too frequent ejaculation. If a couple months of no ejaculation doesn't fix it, obviously there's more going on that needs to be addressed.

 

[Amazoniac]

It's possible to control libido with vitamins E and C, but also molybdenum. If you overdo it to the point of lacking interest in sex, you can make it your new virtue and brag for how long you don't ejaculate.

 

[Jing]

Case Study:  How come there are about 5-10% of sexual exhaustion cases that never recover? cut off testicular arteries by prolactin, norepinephrine and/or epinephrine induced arterial constriction and inflammation for the death of the testicular somatic s

 

[Steene]

Cutting down orgasming is probably one of the most peatish things you can do. People are fooling themselves by saying the problem is the ejaculation. I know how to perform non-ejaculatory orgasms, simply by flexing your core for about to 15-20 seconds. The orgasm feels different and may mislead you it isn't the same as a normal climax, but in fact it is just a weaker orgasm with the same negative effects and people tend to overdo it afterwards.

The goal is to cut down orgasms to maybe one in every two or three weeks (if you can't live without them). Life is so much more enjoyable without them.

 

[vulture]

Case Study: How come there are about 5-10% of sexual exhaustion cases that never recover? cut off testicular arteries by prolactin, norepinephrine and/or epinephrine induced arterial constriction and inflammation for the death of the testicular somatic s

“By the way, if you have been misled to over-masturbation, over-ejaculation (high-frequency ejaculation), or excessive sex, our products can help you get recovery from sexual exhaustion symptoms unless your testicular function was fully castrated by excessive sex.“

 

[vulture]

Cutting down orgasming is probably one of the most peatish things you can do. People are fooling themselves by saying the problem is the ejaculation. I know how to perform non-ejaculatory orgasms, simply by flexing your core for about to 15-20 seconds. The orgasm feels different and may mislead you it isn't the same as a normal climax, but in fact it is just a weaker orgasm with the same negative effects and people tend to overdo it afterwards.

The goal is to cut down orgasms to maybe one in every two or three weeks (if you can't live without them). Life is so much more enjoyable without them.

So, if you are resting with an attractive female and get a boner and want to have sex, you would have sex without orgasm?
Or not having sex?

 

[vulture]

It's possible to control libido with vitamins E and C, but also molybdenum. If you overdo it to the point of lacking interest in sex, you can make it your new virtue and brag for how long you don't ejaculate.

How would you do that?
What about progesterone?