Improvements But Still Really Sick :(

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  1. jayUK9779

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    Hi everyone,

    Not sure what my next move should be. I am relatively new to peating and have not been able to do it 100% as body is unable to cope.

    My limitations is I can not tolerate OJ or any form of dairy at all! I have tried every type and all cause irritability and mood swings aswell as insomnia!

    Positives: since reducing PUFAs and going gluten free my brain fog has gone, tiredness has reduced.
    Daily carrot in coconut oil has been great for my digestion
    Coffee with sugar and gelatine has at times made me feel 'normal again'

    Negatives:

    Underweight
    still tiredish
    Depression
    INSOMNIA

    My intolerances Eggs, Dairy and gluten.

    My diet consists of rice, potatoes, kale broccoli,all muscle meat, coffee and gelatin in morning, UK coca cola.

    Fruit is hard to come by but I just have the occasional melon.

    I dont take any thyroid and I have purchased Pregnenolone but too scared to take it.

    My next move is going to be eggshell calcium and maybe aspirin but not sure which brand!

    Any commments would be great as im really stuck.

    Jay
     
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    Eggshell is causing me an allergic reaction, aspirin is doing the same thing. My biggest improvements came after starting thyroid supplementation.
     
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    Have you tried cheese? Home made cheese? Raw egg yolk?
     
  4. Mittir

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    I had allergic reaction to Egg shell powder too.
    Since you are relying on muscle meat it is very important for you to
    balance high phosphorus in muscle meat with calcium.
    I did not have good experience with supplement.
    I use slaked lime ( calcium hydroxide) in OJ or lemon juice .
    It forms calcium citrate in lemon juice and OJ.
    Slaked lime is used in cooking and making masa harina from corn.
    RP recommends a high calcium to phosphorus ratio.
    Make sure you get at least equal amount of calcium and
    phosphorus , if possible more calcium .

    Avoiding tryptophan rich foods after sunset helps with better sleep.
    But a glass of milk with 2-3 tbs of sugar or honey helps with sleep.
    Vitamin A is very important in making anti stress hormones.
    All kind of livers+ are very rich source of A. 3-6 oz of liver weekly
    will give provide required vitamin A .

    Easiest way to improve health and sleep is to use 500 watt of incandescent light.
    Check our thread on light therapy.
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    Egg yolk is easier to digest.
    80 grams of protein and B vitamins are essential for healthy liver.
    I believe Charlie has good experience with 10 mg of pregnenolone.
    I would be very cautious in using Aspirin with weak stomach.
    Aspirin can easily cause intestinal ulcer to people with weak stomach lining.
    If you choose to use Aspirin make sure you are getting good amount of vitamin K
    with it to control excess bleeding.
     
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    Thank you so much guys, the advice is so helpful :)

    I think I will give the aspirin a miss then due to my weak stomach.

    Thanks Charlie I will give the home made cheese and the raw egg yolk a go and see how I fair :)

    Interesting to hear that the egg shell calcium can be problematic, I really want to increase my calcium intake as I am reading so many good things about the benefits of more calcium in your diet. Just my body seems to not want to tolerate calcium dense foods!! :P
     
  6. Mittir

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    Another vital point i forgot to mention was the avoidance of starch .
    Starch causes a lot of problems, especially increasing endotoxin, cortisol
    and insulin. Starch is very bad at refilling liver glycogen storage, which
    is the major part of RP recommendation. You have to use mostly sugar
    ( fruits, milk sugar, honey, table sugar) as a source of carbohydrate.
    If you have problem with fruits you can use plain sugar , and cooked potato
    juice to get all the nutrient and protein without any carbohydrate.
    You can also use broth of potato and other safe vegetables and fruits
    for vitamins and minerals missing in sugar.
    Bag breathing 1-2 minutes* and 2-3 times a day is also very helpful.
     
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    Thanks again Mittir,

    My only reasoning for the starchy foods is the weight gain, I am so underweight :( I'm thinking its an adrenal problem. I have never been able to gain weight.

    Will try the bag breathing :)
     
  8. Mittir

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    Starch increases fat gain. For muscle gain you need to focus on protein and thyroid function.
    Cells are able to metabolize sugar more efficiently than starch.
    You need sugar for good thyroid function.
     
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    @Mittir What exeactly are the safe (starchless) vegetables? bc I read root vegetables are ok,but as I understand apart from carrots (&beets?) , all root vegetables contain starch which is advised against. And from what I understood they're all equal/higher in phosporus to calcium.
    I'm asking bc now it's getting colder again,I start to crave warm dishes more which usually contain vegetables.

    And I've read that tomato is high serotonin/PUFA
     
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    Oh and I would try the Ray Peat protein potato soup.
     
  11. Mittir

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    @Dutchie
    RP specifically mentioned tender summer squash as an example of low starch
    vegetables that is ok with lots of fat. Cucumber, tomato, pepper
    are really fruits which are used as vegetables.
    You can skip pepper, tomato and potato if you have
    problem with nightshade family.
    The broth only gives you some vitamin and minerals,
    it is lot like natural supplement of water soluble vitamins and some
    and minerals. I do not believe lot of starch is leached into broth.
     
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    Thanx Mittir,however i wasnt talking about the broth&starch but i was wondering about rootvegetables&pumpkin and starch?:)....and that cal/phos ratio you mentioned,why is that so important?and can you even go too high phosphorus when eating no grains...
     
  13. Mittir

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    @Dutchie
    Ratio of calcium to phosphorus directly control parathyroid hormone.
    Calcium and phosphorus also play role in feeding of bacteria and endotoxin
    production by breaking down fiber.
    Starch without a lot of fat has the potential to enter the blood stream and block small arteries.
    RP really does not recommend starch as a good source of carbohydrate.
    But if someone has to rely on starch when they can not have fruits and
    other good source of sugar then they can have well cooked potato with
    lots of saturated fat.Here are few quotes on starch


     
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    Ok,what about the root veggies then,are they all starch except for carrots? As Winter is approaching,I usually find myself craving more heartier dishes which usually contain rootveggies or other veggies and with higher fat and most of these dishes are hard to incorporate fruit into.
    Most fruity dishes are desserts in most cookbooks and accompany icecream(which I still havent been able to make a decent version of:( ) or flours

    Oh and you mentioned not eating high tryptophan foods for dinner,except for milk before bed. But isn't milk high tryptophan either?...and what's more high tryptophan...eggs?meat?maybe except for gelatinous cuts like lambshank&organmeats?...seafood also or is that more ok?
     
  15. Mittir

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    @Swandattur

    Ray Peat mentioned that in Josh Endotoxin and Serotonin and KMUD serotonin interview that
    phosphorus stimulates the breakdown of starch, soluble and indigestible fiber and calcium blocks
    that breakdown. This is called phosphorolysis. Higher ratio of calcium to phosphorus will lower endotoxin by inhibiting break down of fiber to feed bacteria. This is why grains are so harmful,
    it comes with both phosphorus ,starch and fiber.
     
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