If You Don't Want Low Testosterone DO NOT FAST

[TubZy]

Turth is, no one really seems to know exactly what gbolduev is saying, hence the lengthy debates and such. Here's a proposal: why don't Gbolduev and all his guinea pigs go live in his hometown where you can be experimented on in his lab, and when there is actual proof of what he's saying you can all report back to this forum! Plus it will double as some good male bonding time. I think it will be special.

Which people? I have no idea what topic you are pertaining to?

In this topic, I presented multiple human studies and even highlighted the benefits of going on a short fast, what is there not to understand?

For PFS, that is self explanatory at this point, by now many people understand what he is saying obviously except for people who don't understand PSSD, PFS etc. in the first place like you.

 

[JoeKool]

Turth is, no one really seems to know exactly what gbolduev is saying, hence the lengthy debates and such. Here's a proposal: why don't Gbolduev and all his guinea pigs go live in his hometown where you can be experimented on in his lab, and when there is actual proof of what he's saying you can all report back to this forum! Plus it will double as some good male bonding time. I think it will be special.

Like putting your first name in the last name box on a job application, first chance you get to prove yourself here and you have a typo on the opening word... I'd get my TURTH checked if i were you

 

[Drareg]

Like putting your first name in the last name box on a job application, first chance you get to prove yourself here and you have a typo on the opening word... I'd get my TURTH checked if i were you

Yeah Joe you so funny with that response,muhhuhmuh.
How’s your hair and libido doing,with this attitude you won’t keep it for long.

 

[namaste]

It’s a forum I linked,not a study,just for discussion, I only started reading it and you responded,so to be clear tubzy it’s not research and now you’ve admitted to not reading it lol.
What about the points and questions asked in the first post,why all of you are in PM is pointless,just ignore the comments in the threads,at least others can read along.

We are in a private chat to steer clear of people that scream "PLACEBO" every time someone posts positive results.

 

[TubZy]

It’s a forum I linked,not a study,just for discussion, I only started reading it and you responded,so to be clear tubzy it’s not research and now you’ve admitted to not reading it lol.
What about the points and questions asked in the first post,why all of you are in PM is pointless,just ignore the comments in the threads,at least others can read along.

I was saying it as an example. Who reads the title of anything (emails, studies, forum links) and presents it to someone else to prove a point, and after it is presented then reads the content of it? Meanwhile backfiring. That makes logical sense to you lol?

 

[alywest]

Which people? I have no idea what topic you are pertaining to?

In this topic, I presented multiple human studies and even highlighted the benefits of going on a short fast, what is there not to understand?

For PFS, that is self explanatory at this point, by now many people understand what he is saying obviously.

It was fine for you to present your thoughts as to fasting because that was the point, I'm referring to the multiple threads in which Gbolduev has chimed in with downright obnoxious claims. I can think of at least two right now. One is where the OP warned people of the fact that CO2 killed someone (how does that pertain to Gbolduev's theories?), and the other was where the OP showed photos of a man in his 40's who is Anti-Peat and looks great from the neck down, which Gbolduev seemed to take as license to say Peat doesn't know anything about anti-aging because he looks like crap. And of course this thread. All three were engaging in interesting, thought-provoking conversation and then we have to redirect our attention (or just avoid the thread altogether) to bat Gbolduev away.

 

[namaste]

I'm sorry that you're doing so badly, I'm just wondering, did you try improving your thyroid, did you try everything that Peat had to suggest? If so, and I'm assuming it didn't work then, then why are you even here? Keep your thread going but I don't see why Gbolduev needs to chime in on any thread on this forum that he seems to think apply directly to him. For instance, the OP on this thread was simply telling people that fasting was detrimental to him and his T levels. No one asked what's his face if he agreed with the dude or not. People were actually having a productive conversation on the subject until Gbolduev chimed in. If you feel that he has the answers to what you are looking for, then stick to the plan and your own threads and let the people who actually think Ray Peat has something valuable to share have their healthy debates on the subject matter. Somehow whenever Gbolduev gets involved, the debate gets more heated and negative. I don't know if this is due to high estrogen levels, or the fact that he's a slow oxidizer and I don't really care.

I understand your intentions and I hope I did not come off too harsh. I do agree that gbold and everyone who is following his advice should stick to the designated sub-forum. I just want people to understand how bad some have it and that they should choose their words carefully.

 

[alywest]

Like putting your first name in the last name box on a job application, first chance you get to prove yourself here and you have a typo on the opening word... I'd get my TURTH checked if i were you

Oh, sorry, JoeKool, I don't know how to spell Truth, thanks for pointing that out!

 

[alywest]

I understand your intentions and I hope I did not come off too harsh. I do agree that gbold and everyone who is following his advice should stick to the designated sub-forum. I just want people to understand how bad some have it and that they should choose their words carefully.

I had Depo-provera (which according to Gbolduev is in the same family as Finasteride) shot into my butt cheek as well as Prozac all a little over a year ago. I found Peat less than a year ago and I'm already starting to improve. I don't see the need to jump ship so quickly. My thyroid, thymus, liver, brain, etc. all need some time to heal and that is natural. I think in the US everyone wants instant results and if they don't get it they start doing crazy things like starve themselves just to have something happen instantaneously. Trust me, I have taken every supplement under the sun hoping for a quick fix, but nothing is. I can see how people would commit suicid. No one wants to go through the struggle. If you lived in a different place or time (let's say Syria) you would be struggling just to survive everyday. There is no quick fix there. People have lost innocent children and they still have to endure. We, on the other hand, intentionally starve ourselves I guess to punish ourselves for the fact that there's so much food readily available to us. We subconsciously punish ourselves for having privilege.

 

[Drareg]

I was saying it as an example. Who reads the title of anything (emails, studies, forum links) and presents it someone to someone else to prove a point, and after it is presented then reads the content of it? That makes logical sense to you lol?

I read the start of the forum posts and was on here,no it was not to prove a point it was me checking to see if it may have worked in 2011 for somebody in a seperate forum which would have been helpful all round,you hilariously are trying use this as me presenting a study,that’s a strawman your now creating.
The studies on fasting and obesity you presented were crap as I pointed out with examples as to why.
The bottom line fasting does not work,it’s a patch,something all of you claim to not be looking for.

And be honest you do have issues with hair loss and erectile dysfunction,gbolduev still has these problems also and he is guinea pigging all of you.

 

[Jsaute21]

I was saying it as an example. Who reads the title of anything (emails, studies, forum links) and presents it to someone else to prove a point, and after it is presented then reads the content of it? Meanwhile backfiring. That makes logical sense to you lol?

Just curious and do not mean this to refute any points; how come Danny Roddy able to cure his PFS with such a standard Peat approach? He looks great and claims to be very healthy. He said, thyroid and fat solubles along with good diet have him fully recovered.

 

[TubZy]

I read the start of the forum posts and was on here,no it was not to prove a point it was me checking to see if it may have worked in 2011 for somebody in a seperate forum which would have been helpful all round,you hilariously are trying use this as me presenting a study,that’s a strawman your now creating.
The studies on fasting and obesity you presented were crap as I pointed out with examples as to why.
The bottom line fasting does not work,it’s a patch,something all of you claim to not be looking for.

And be honest you do have issues with hair loss and erectile dysfunction,gbolduev still has these problems also and he is guinea pigging all of you.

You not only said that but claimed "there were a million of sites, like porn sites". Seems like you were trying to prove something for sure, who just randomly posts links to stuff? Straw boy.

I guess you didn't hear me the first time, I have a full head of hair, I was luckily able to keep it. Never really had ED issues luckily, just mental, but it seems your mental capacity is even worse. My initial log from a long time ago is where I mentioned it, so sorry to say that is a strawman your creating now.

Are you still trying to get a "bodybuilders physique" with dried testicles that you want to rub on your balls or eat them directly. Seems you got some real issues
Body Builders And Dried Testicle Supplement

 

[Dhair]

A dramatic spike in testosterone levels immediately after refeeding is to be expected, but it will not be sustained. The body responds to the influx in energy after starvation and then levels out. This is common sense and the studies absolutely don't prove anything conclusive.

 

[Drareg]

You not only said that but claimed "there were a million of sites, like porn sites". Seems like you were trying to prove something for sure, who just randomly posts links to stuff? Straw boy.

I guess you didn't hear me the first time, I have a full head of hair, I was luckily able to keep it. Never really had ED issues luckily, just mental, but it seems your mental capacity is even worse. My initial log from a long time ago is where I mentioned it, so sorry to say that is a strawman your creating now.

Are you still trying to get a "bodybuilders physique" with dried testicles that you want to rub on your balls or eat them directly. Seems you got some real issues
Body Builders And Dried Testicle Supplement

Yes you had/have mental issues....... and you question mine,it could just be your perception.......
Keep ignoring my points or are you waiting for the big gbold brah to answer for you?
Also remember I linked a forum not a study,and it’s a fact there is a lot of hair loss pfs sites out there,people on forums like this just post random stuff all the time,like somebody who claims to have no hair loss issues ,PFS or erectile dysfunction but just posts prolifically in forum threads about that.....
Some real issues in the above.....

Tubby the big question then for all the rpf.com forum members and your gear head bro’s is why are on a sites for PFS and discussing erectile dysfunction issues? Your also following a hardcore experiment aimed at those issues.

 

[TubZy]

A dramatic spike in testosterone levels immediately after refeeding is to be expected, but it will not be sustained. The body responds to the influx in energy after starvation and then levels out. This is common sense and the studies absolutely don't prove anything conclusive.

Explain to me how achieving a 1000 point jump in test levels within 5 days is expected. By yours and OP's logic, steroids users who come off a steroid into PCT should react that way, quite the opposite.

The title of this thread is fasting causes low T BTW.

 

[Drareg]

A dramatic spike in testosterone levels immediately after refeeding is to be expected, but it will not be sustained. The body responds to the influx in energy after starvation and then levels out. This is common sense and the studies absolutely don't prove anything conclusive.

And they never followed up the study either,obese patients will notice benefits from any weight reduction particularly in a controlled environment like that.

 

[TubZy]

And they never followed up the study either,obese patients will notice benefits from any weight reduction particularly in a controlled environment like that.

I don't think you understand what OP is saying. This is directly from his post.

"-very high levels of testosterone/androgen increases AR density, this is almost 100% certain

-this has been confirmed in manyactual humans (because there are manymen who use steroids) and consistentincreases in AR density is observed"

Coming off of a fast will skyrocket your T levels way higher than they were before INCREASING AR density and sensitivity. Instead OP is claiming saying fasting will do the opposite thus decreasing AR density, which is not true. It doesn't matter if it can be only for a week or month etc. it is irrelevant, your AR are going to be more sensitive.

That was his entire point on taking steroids meaning that it will increase AR density, no one is going to take steroids 24/7.

 

[Drareg]

I don't think you understand what OP is saying. This is directly from his post.

"-very high levels of testosterone/androgen increases AR density, this is almost 100% certain

-this has been confirmed in manyactual humans (because there are manymen who use steroids) and consistentincreases in AR density is observed"

Coming off of a fast will skyrocket your T levels way higher than they were before INCREASING AR density and sensitivity. Instead OP is claiming saying fasting will do the opposite thus decreasing AR density, which is not true. It doesn't matter if it can be only for a week or month etc. your AR are going to be more sensitive.

Tubzy you are talking about coming off a fast....... how about staying off the fast what happens?
Does Mr Olympia fast?

 

[TubZy]

Yes you had/have mental issues....... and you question mine,it could just be your perception.......
Keep ignoring my points or are you waiting for the big gbold brah to answer for you?
Also remember I linked a forum not a study,and it’s a fact there is a lot of hair loss pfs sites out there,people on forums like this just post random stuff all the time,like somebody who claims to have no hair loss issues ,PFS or erectile dysfunction but just posts prolifically in forum threads about that.....
Some real issues in the above.....

Tubby the big question then for all the rpf.com forum members and your gear head bro’s is why are on a sites for PFS and discussing erectile dysfunction issues? Your also following a hardcore experiment aimed at those issues.

I'm not going to give you an entire lecture on PFS, the info is out there you can read it or better yet go to the 200+ page PFS thread on here for the 100th time go read it instead of asking me to explain things for you.

Anyways, so what exactly are you asking me, your sentences and questions are all jumbled all over the place. And I'm not on any PFS sites, I think that is what you are asking?

 

[TubZy]

Tubzy you are talking about coming off a fast....... how about staying off the fast what happens?
Does Mr Olympia fast?

Because pro BBers are on TRT, they don't need to fast or to really do anything for that matter to keep their T levels high when they are shooting up once a week.