If PUFA's Are One Of The Main Causes Of Aging, Why Don't Fruitarians Look Younger Than Other People

[Xisca]

coconut is more about lauric acid!
And I can believe that the ratio om3-6 can be something important, but of course if using veg oils it is more important, and with nuts it is fine.
Still, let me an excuse for enjoying hemp seeds!

Liver and the rest are very polite, they talk if you know their language!
Same as a dog, when people say he has biten without warning, the poor dog has been speaking out loud but was not heard in his language!
Body language should be taught as 1st language at school...

 

[Jennifer]

Yeah, but I eat avocados, too and I wouldn't want to give those up either. When I get a really sweet and creamy one, I'm in heaven! Plus, they make my skin really soft. It took me at least a year after I stopped strict Peating before I could eat one without thinking it was hepatoxic to my liver. lol

I've never had hemp seeds before. To be honest, I've never really been a fan of most nuts or seeds. Are they at all similar to sesame seeds? I've had lo mein before so I know what sesame tastes like.

Yeah, I've become quite familiar with what my tissues are telling me. It definitely helps. :)

 

[Richiebogie]

Hi @Xisca, yes we have been giving our dog cuts of meat with bone. It cleans the teeth and dilutes the phosphorus. We have stopped buying mince as we have increased the fruit and veg.

Hi @Jennifer, that was an interesting quote from Dewitt. 60% fruit by calories is a lot of fruit! Tess does seem to love bananas so maybe we can up that to 2 bananas a day soon. Maybe coconut oil instead of butter or else a fatty cut of meat & bone...

That was sad to lose 3 dogs so close together. You would probably get great results starting puppies on the Dewitt diet.

Thanks for the link to Hilde's dry fast results.

I am keen to improve my health, but is that what I have to look forward to? Is that the light at the end of the tunnel?

Better out than in they say!

Dry fasting seems to be the ultimate but obviously you need to build up slowly.

Did you drop salt around the time you started intermittent dry fasting? I wonder if too much salt stops kidney filtration...? I am just adding a small amount of Himalayan salt to my balsamic vinegar in my tomato and green leaf salad.

The dried Gotu Kola hasn't much flavour, so I also add some mixed dried Italian herbs (oregano, sage, marjoram etc). I also found some fresh dill which is delicious in the salad. Thanks for suggesting that!

I have dropped lemon juice, blackberries & blueberries until my mouth ulcers resolve! Papaya, mangos and figs have high lycine to arginine ratio so I am focussing on those to balance the higher arginine in my OJ!

I assume that grape fast guy didn't make it. I wonder if papaya is better. It is the fruit with the highest lysine to arginine ratio, up near dairy products, and is correlated to low breast cancer... Much to test!

Have you heard of kanekiki on the big island? ( Kanekiki.com ) Fruitarians can live there in exchange for some farming or building work. There are some youtube clips. It looks idyllic. You could build your own Jennikiki nearby!

The big island has so much to offer, what with the fruit farms, the lava flows, the observatories and sea level to 4200m in an hour's drive!

It would be great if your parents moved there too. Do you have much other family in Vermont? I imagine they would all want to pop over to Hawaii to visit you for holidays!

I have only been to honolulu once for a week on a round the world trip in 2006. We then went to San Francisco, New York then took the train near Vermont to Montreal!

The Big Island is top of my list for any return to the US!

 

[Jennifer]

@Richiebogie – Yep, I definitely would start any future pups on raw right off the bat. Cricket and Bee naturally gravitated to higher fruit consumption so it seems normal to me. For the most part, they liked what I liked so we grazed together. lol

Haha! Not sure for us, but it definitely was the light at the end of the tunnel for that roundworm.

No, I had dropped salt before looking into Dr. Morse's work because after coming off dairy and the minocycline, salt was causing severe burning in my gut. Once I dropped it, the pounding heart and burning ears and face that I would get after having meals, stopped happening. Besides the anxiety attacks, those were my symptoms of adrenaline.

I started dry fasting a year after incorporating Dr. Morse's advice when I knew my adrenals could handle it (no longer waking at 3:00am if I hadn't eaten enough the previous day). I'm not sure if it affects you but for me, I'm still not at a point where salt doesn't mess with my adrenals and I suppose this could affect the kidneys since the adrenals control them?

How are your kidneys filtering and is your diastolic blood pressure on both arms looking good? You can easily test if the salt (or anything else) is slowing down detoxification if it reduces the amount of sediment in your urine and I would think over the long haul, if it causes your diastolic number to drop too low or rise too high, which would indicate your kidneys are struggling.

I did some experimenting again this past Saturday and Sunday and ate some homemade veggie soup and like every time before, I had less filtering and disturbed sleep. This also happens with higher fat fruits/coconut but to me, the positives I get from having them a few times a week outweigh the minor negatives.

Oh, good! I'm glad you liked the fresh dill.

I think that's a good idea to drop the lemons and berries until your ulcers resolve. I'm impressed you could even tolerate them while having those sores in your mouth. Sounds painful!

Yeah, maybe so. I also wonder if the tumor's growth would of been slower with papaya since it's supposedly less cleansing than grapes. If his kidneys weren't filtering and the grapes were pulling/mobilizing acids stored in his lymph system, they would be forced to take an alternate route out of one of his other eliminative organs, oftentimes the skin.

The land at Kanekiki is so pretty. And all that fruit! If I ever do get my land and you do get to the Big Island, you can visit Jennikiki and have all the fruit you care for. Hmm...how are your carpentry skills? I'm envisioning treehouse bungalows with swings. JK I won't put you to work. Haha!

Yeah, the Big Island has a lot to offer. I think the volcanic soil will make for some really delicious high Brix fruits and veggies. Oh, and there's Champagne Pond! Have you heard of it?

Yep, most of my family lives here in New Hampshire with me. I actually haven't wanted to leave because of my brother (my only sibling) and grandmother.

A round the world trip? Nice! Funny, I've wanted to take a train ride through New Hampshire and into Montreal. What was your favorite place you visited?

 

[Richiebogie]

Hi @Jennifer,

Last time I checked my kidneys still had not begun filtering. My blood pressure has always been good and salt does not seem to cause any problems though I found it warmed me up a bit on cold days.

I will try avoiding salt and peppers for a while to see if that soothes my adrenals and kidneys! Often we are not aware of what is doing us harm! You seem to be sensitive to salt so it may be causing me unseen issues!

It would be great to see some filtration!

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Yes the ulcers got very sore. I thought they might go if I held on but then 2 ulcers joined together!

I decided to drop OJ for a while to really get my lysine to arginine ratio up. I was drinking a litre a day of OJ but that was high in arginine relative to lysine.

Apparently arginine stops lysine from working and lysine is needed for calcium utilization. I believe Dr Morse says calcium gives strength to all structures, so that could be the connection to cold sores and lip ulcers! (I don't think any contagion is required to explain it... Maybe acyclovir works like lysine or disables arginine).

Additionally it turns out that human milk has a high lysine to arginine ratio (8 parts lysine to 5 parts arginine). It has the same ratio as avocados and figs which are somewhere between mangos and bananas, so I will eat mainly water/mango/banana smoothies, water/papaya/banana smoothies, dried figs, dried apricots, prunes, apples, pears, tomatoes and avocados for a while!

Earlier I thought that arginine was the great detoxifier and that I needed to eat less arginine to slow the painful cold sore detox, but now I wonder whether we all might need less arginine! I will let you know if I see some other improvements!

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Do you take b12 supplements? The combative girl on youtube (unnatural vegan) got me worried this morning in her response to an old video from Fullyraw Kristina.

However I found footage of Dr Morse saying supplements are not required, just fix your acidosis.

I am drinking chlorinated & fluoridated water so it might be an issue... Do you drink distilled water?

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I'm not a handyman at all, I'm afraid. I like gardens though, so a tropical fruit garden sounds great. If it were in Queensland then the fruit bats, snakes, mice, toads and spiders might enjoy it too! Hopefully you won't have those issues in Hawaii!

Wouldn't it be great if you could take all your relatives with you like when Charlie moved into the chocolate factory! I was thinking earlier that Dr Morse is a bit like Willy Wonka. He makes incredible things happen and thinks differently from everybody else!

He also has some loyal Oompa-Loompas!

New York was fun but I really loved Europe. Australian architecture only dates from 1788, plus we pull down everything old to build anew! So Venice, Rome and Florence were some of my favourite places!

You would have a lot of history in New Hampshire, I'm sure!

Have you been to Europe?

 

[Jennifer]

Hi @Richiebogie,

Ouch! Sorry to hear that. I hope they heal up quickly now that you've dropped the OJ.

That's great that your blood pressure has always been good. It actually sounds like your adrenals are strong, while your kidneys are weak. Though, if your diastolic is good too, I'm surprised you aren't filtering.

Thank you! It will be interesting to see how you do with less arginine in your diet.

Yep, he does say that calcium gives strength to all structures and that's why we see tissue weaknesses/prolapsed conditions when there is a parathyroid/thyroid gland weakness.

Yeah, Dr. Morse isn't a fan of supplementing other than whole herbs and glandulars. I've seen Unnatural Vegan's and Kristina's videos on B12, but John Rose mentioned something new I hadn't heard before. He said that Brian Clement claimed to have done a lot of research and looked at all these anatomy books over the last 200 years and saw that the appendix is getting smaller, and claims that's where we are supposed to make our B12.

I've read that the appendix houses a reserve of beneficial bacteria so if that's true, maybe it is possible that B12 is made there. And given the large amount of appendectomies performed yearly, maybe it's also possible that the appendix has shrunk due to poor food choices over the years. In that sense, regenerating the appendix might mean sustained healthy B12 levels without the use of supplementation or animal products?

Dr. Morse mentioned clients that regrew previously removed thyroid glands. If I remember correctly, Ray has talked about how a womb creates an environment that allows for perfect healing of a fetus so maybe it's the same for our internal tissues given optimal conditions? I was thinking it had to do with the retention of CO2 but thinking in terms of Dr. Morse's work, maybe the amniotic fluid creates an alkaline environment which allows for perfect regeneration? I'm probably talking crazy now. It's late. lol

Anyhow, I currently don't supplement with B12 because I found that the forms I've tried (methyl – oral and hydroxo – injection) cause migraines. However, for peace of mind, I do get my B12 level checked regularly via a methylmalonic acid (MMA) test and if it ever starts to drop, I'll probably try a cyanocobalamin sublingual just to be on the safe side.

When I do consume water it's distilled, yes. It's something I picked up during my time following RBTI.

I'll make sure to get enough land so there will be plenty to share with the others. The deers here seem to think my perennial garden is a salad bar. I don't have the heart to stop them, though. We all need to eat!

It would be great if I could take all my relatives with me. I need workers. lol JK My grandmother and I always joke about going to Hawaii. She'll say to me "I don't think we'll ever get there, Tweety! Besides, could you see me wearing a grass skirt and coconuts?" Apparently, everyone over there dresses like they're the entertainers at a luau. That woman cracks me up!

You're right! Dr. Morse is like Willy Wonka. That's too funny! I used to say I was eating the equivalent of a Wonka diet back when I first started following Ray's work. Looking at it through a Peat lens, that boat scene finally makes sense. LSD trip. Note to self – never lick the wallpaper.

Yeah, New Hampshire is big into preserving its history and also land conservation. What I love most is there's a strong tie to our Amerindian roots. That and our Lakes Region and White Mountains are pretty spectacular.

Good choices! I haven't been to Europe, but I'd love to visit the Amalfi Coast.

 

[Richiebogie]

Those theories on the appendix and womb are great. I still have my appendix so maybe it is producing b12 but now I'm off OJ the bacteria could be suffering from the chlorine.

I might have to investigate non-reconstituted apple juice or a distillation apparatus. I may just need a condensation cover above my pressure cooker!

What did the RBTI people recommend re your diet? It sounds like they compare people to healthy animals. Here's a Peaty thought... I wonder if they looked at fast-growing livestock designed to be killed young, or healthy long-lived animals. Anyway the idea sounds good!

Poor Dr Morse is constantly being attacked by the medical establishment and it's fans. Healing people means walking through a legal minefield even in the US with its history of freedoms.

My understanding is that the US constitution was a careful effort to not replace Britain's tyrannical rule with a local version.

It looks like corporations, universities, schools and the media want tyranny back!

Your garden deers sound adorable. In more rural areas of Victoria you can get roos & wallabies eating grass and plants in people's gardens! They must sit in the same ecological niche as your deers. Most of the roo's predators went extinct at the hands of the aborigines. These were the megafauna - very large marsupials!

Your grandmother is funny. If you ever buy her a flight to Hawaii then you could also give her that luau outfit to wear on the plane!

My favourite Hawaiian joke was from "A very Brady sequel". The Bradys had just gotten off the plane. Someone asks "where's Marsha"?

Cindy replies in her sweet childlike voice, "She's over there getting lei'd by those Hawaiian boys!"

Have you seen "The Italian Trip"? It has 2 comedians driving around Italy staying at exclusive hotels and eating at the top restaurants while making each other laugh by saying silly things and doing imitations. They go to both the Ligurian and the Amalfi coasts in high definition.

I found the film gently entertaining but I imagine it might infuriate a few viewers!

My friend and I walked to a pretty bay featured in the film - San Fruttuoso on our round the world trip in 2006.

Apparently there is a statue of Jesus underwater just off the coastline there.

Actually I love watching a free tv station we get here called Food Network. It has beautiful travelogues and I don't mind watching them cooking animal parts. (I guess I haven't been vegan very long.)

A Melbourne guy of Vietnamese heritage did a great series on the Greater Mekong featuring southern China from the tropics up into the cooler mountain parts!

I am looking for interesting salads. Lemongrass was a key ingredient in a few recipes on last night's shows!

I'm not sure if they would pick up a raw vegan show, but if it were set it in Thailand it would be very watchable!

 

[Xisca]

I've read that the appendix houses a reserve of beneficial bacteria so if that's true, maybe it is possible that B12 is made there. In that sense, regenerating the appendix might mean sustained healthy B12 levels without the use of supplementation or animal products?

Nop! You make B12 there but cannot assimilate it there! It has even been tried, successfully, to take people's poo B12, clean it and put it in caps and give them back their own... In old times, they got B12, like in India, from grains, thanks to mice living in there. I saw also a european text mentionning that flour in past times sometimes had more mice sh** than flour in the bread...

I juice my wormy oranges, and I eat wormy figs and mangos at the moment. The wormy part of a mango is surprisingly the yummiest, but if you get the right moment before fermentation occurs. I have to not look too much at the moment I eat it. But I can know there are worms, and I have to look and remove parts that are brownish. There is some retraining to be done there...

No vegan diet should be clean in the way we mean it nowdays. "No animal products" meant having animal food from insects, as real ecological farming was even without ecological pesticides! Apes eat insects. Cows eat insects that are in the herbs! Pure-itanism is the modern unseen problem.

 

[Jennifer]

Hi @Richiebogie,

Hmm...yeah, I hadn't thought about the chlorine affecting B12. It makes sense given how it kills off bacteria.

Carey Reams was a master agriculturalist who had noticed that cows in pasture would go out of their way to get at high Brix grass, even reaching beyond fencing, which helped to solidify his view of how essential mineral density was to good health so I guess in that sense you could say he compared us to animals?

The diet was largely vegetarian and excluded non-kosher meats, white potatoes, refined sugar and flour, coffee, tea, and black pepper, but varied for each person depending on their particular chemistry. He had this complex system that focused on 7 numbers equated to perfect health. It required frequent testing with reagents (to test urine and saliva pH), salt meters, refractometers etc. He analyzed hundreds of foods in his lab and clients are to eat those foods which push their numbers toward the "healing range." His main focus was calcium.

The practitioner I had was a registered nurse of 35+ years, a biochemist and enzyme specialist and worked as Reams' nurse for 8 years. She ran a Loomis urinalysis on me and found that I didn't digest starch, but digested fruit perfectly and to a lesser extent, fat and protein. RBTI tests showed I was chronically low in sugar and urea, the latter pointing to weak kidneys, and I was advised to juice a head of celery everyday. Reams found it to be the best source of bioavailable potassium and as Dr. Morse points out, the kidneys have an affinity for potassium.

She also questioned if I was living in a house with toxic mold because she could see it in my numbers. I wasn't at the time I was working with her, but found out this past December I had chronically high toxic mold levels stemming from the house I grew up in. Anyhow, for my particular chemistry, I ate fruits, specifically the tropicals (Reams' tests showed they were high in calcium), veggies, eggs, occasionally beans, fats were from coconut, sweeteners were honey, maple syrup and blackstrap molasses, lots of culinary herbs, and for a brief period, dairy. I had problems with dairy even back then so we eventually dropped it from my diet.

I also struggled with getting my extremely high urine pH to come down, and it was only until I delved into Dr. Morse's work that I learned why – my weak kidneys inability to filter out metabolic waste/acids so instead, they were dumping alkaline minerals. Both my grandmothers have/had kidney disease so...

Yeah, it's awful how the healers who go against the grain and get results are targets. I can understand wanting to protect people from being harmed by ill equipped practitioners, but when they go after healers who save so many lives, I have to question if it has less to do with our safety and more to do with healthy people being a threat to profits.

Not to be cynical but I'd say it was careful effort based on already flawed attitudes at that time. I don't see how it was ever not tyrannical when not everyone was afforded the same rights, you know? Like caged animals that had never known real freedom, giving us an inch probably seemed like a mile to us. IMO tyranny never went away, it just got craftier.

LOL I remember that scene! Funny!

Haha! If I can get my 93 year old grandmother in a luau outfit on a plane to Hawaii, my life will be complete! I'll have seen it all!

I just looked at the trailer! I'm renting that movie! Actually, all of them. They look lighthearted and funny. Thanks for suggesting it! I'll keep an eye out for San Fruttuoso.

I love the Food Network, too! I won't alert the vegans if you don't. The first time I saw the Amalfi Coast was on Giada in Italy. I would be thrilled if they had a raw vegan show on the network. I'm waiting for the day when cafes like this become common:

http://rawconnections.com.au

Pics of their food:

Rawthentic - Organic Unbakery & Farmacy

I haven't tried it before but I saved this Thai satay recipe that calls for lemongrass. You could put the marinade over summer squash or cucumber noodles?

A Delicious Vegetarian and Vegan Thai Satay Recipe

 

[Jennifer]

Nop! You make B12 there but cannot assimilate it there! It has even been tried, successfully, to take people's poo B12, clean it and put it in caps and give them back their own... In old times, they got B12, like in India, from grains, thanks to mice living in there. I saw also a european text mentionning that flour in past times sometimes had more mice sh** than flour in the bread...

I juice my wormy oranges, and I eat wormy figs and mangos at the moment. The wormy part of a mango is surprisingly the yummiest, but if you get the right moment before fermentation occurs. I have to not look too much at the moment I eat it. But I can know there are worms, and I have to look and remove parts that are brownish. There is some retraining to be done there...

No vegan diet should be clean in the way we mean it nowdays. "No animal products" meant having animal food from insects, as real ecological farming was even without ecological pesticides! Apes eat insects. Cows eat insects that are in the herbs! Pure-itanism is the modern unseen problem.

Right. I wasn't implying that B12 is assimilated in the appendix, only that the appendix houses a reserve of B12 per Brian Clement.

Yep, bad choice of words on my part. We can't avoid consuming living organisms completely. I find bugs on my lettuce but so far, I haven't found any in my fruit. I usually just put the bugs outside or if they're too small for me to get off without squishing them, I just put the leaf their on outside. In the very least, I'm eating microorganisms given the fact that I don't wash my produce. So if a B12 deficiency doesn't do me in, the E. coli will. LOL

 

[Xisca]

Right. I wasn't implying that B12 is assimilated in the appendix, only that the appendix houses a reserve of B12 per Brian Clement.
I find bugs on my lettuce but so far, I haven't found any in my fruit.

I was not implying it either, but when it goes out of the appendix, it gets into the colon, and as I learned that we cannot assimilate it there... out to the exit!
It is really strange that nature made us synthetise something that we cannot profit of.... still a mistery for me!

My fruits have bugs. Nobody would buy them, and they do not keep, so...
I have read about apes in behaviour reasearch center having health problems before they thought about giving them buggy fruits.

toxic mold because she could see it in my numbers. I wasn't at the time I was working with her, but found out this past December I had chronically high toxic mold levels stemming from the house I grew up in.

Same with my chilhood house! I went around there last month, and could smell it from outside. So I asked the owners to let me see my childhood house, and then in the underground, I asked if they could smell it, and they said no, but that they solved a water-pipe problem yes.
So I warned them, because they have children, and explained why they should remove the wall plaster etc before restauring this place.
Then I noticed the same smell in the church and maybe this toxic one came from there? Consequences for having a catholic mother? And then I visited also an old house where we spent some holidays, and the same smell was there again, so we might have moved the spores there! And again, though I could hardly stand the smell, the owner could smell NOTHING.

Please can you tell me which numbers showed it? White cells and eosinophiles?

 

[Xisca]

The practitioner I had was a registered nurse of 35+ years, a biochemist and enzyme specialist and worked as Reams' nurse for 8 years. She ran a Loomis urinalysis on me and found that I didn't digest starch, but digested fruit perfectly and to a lesser extent, fat and protein. RBTI tests showed I was chronically low in sugar and urea, the latter pointing to weak kidneys, and I was advised to juice a head of celery everyday. Reams found it to be the best source of bioavailable potassium and as Dr. Morse points out, the kidneys have an affinity for potassium.

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[Richiebogie]

Hi @Jennifer,

I read that Mr Reams ran his tests on healthy animals to ascertain what constituted good health in all animals including humans.

It sounds like a clever system.

You were lucky to get the chief assistant of the founder! Did you have to go far from home?

I also struggled with getting my extremely high urine pH to come down, and it was only until I delved into Dr. Morse's work that I learned why – my weak kidneys inability to filter out metabolic waste/acids so instead, they were dumping alkaline minerals.

Wow, I wonder how common that is for those without filtering kidneys! They may be urinating out valuable alkaline fluids leaving them more acid.

It could explain why dry fasting is effective. The alkaline fluids are retained in the kidneys helping to heal them!

It may also explain why some people swear by drinking their own fluids! (They should only do it while their kidneys aren't filtering and their urine is alkaline).

Have you tested your pH since filtering? I wonder if it is getting less or more acid as you heal!

I might have to find some litmus paper!

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Thanks for finding that raw vegan restaurant in Australia. Tweed Heads is near Byron Bay, Nimbin, Mullumbimby and Lismore which are some fairly alternative communities near the coast and amongst subtropical rainforest.

Thanks for the recipe. Do you eat yellow squash raw or lightly steamed?

I just found some of the Asian vegetables from TV at our local market! Vietnamese mint, Thai basil, bitter lemon, choko, lemon grass...

We have a lot of Thai, Malaysian and Vietnamese people in Melbourne so demand brings supply!

I will try some of these veggies when I get bored of my fresh dill, dried herbs, tomato and avocado salads, but that could be some time away!

Actually it turns out that Luke Nguyen is from Sydney not Melbourne. I wonder if he shows up on your version of the Food Network? We also get Donal from Ireland, Mystery Diners, Giada, No Reservations, Chopped, Andrew Zimmern and some other Australian and New Zealand chefs!

My lip ulcers are clearing up on the lower arginine relative to lysine diet. (In retrospect it doesn't matter whether I eat 40g protein today or 80g a few month's ago - it was the ratio that mattered!)

I wonder if some of the itchiness Dr Morse's patients have on the grape and berry diets are due to arginine irritating their 'herpes' issues. Eg shingles. I think Dr Morse attributes the itching to fungus! Maybe it is poor calcium utilization in the skin! Anyway I will see if I can strengthen my own skin by staying higher in lysine for a while!

 

[Jennifer]

I was not implying it either, but when it goes out of the appendix, it gets into the colon, and as I learned that we cannot assimilate it there... out to the exit!
It is really strange that nature made us synthetise something that we cannot profit of.... still a mistery for me!

My fruits have bugs. Nobody would buy them, and they do not keep, so...
I have read about apes in behaviour reasearch center having health problems before they thought about giving them buggy fruits.


Same with my chilhood house! I went around there last month, and could smell it from outside. So I asked the owners to let me see my childhood house, and then in the underground, I asked if they could smell it, and they said no, but that they solved a water-pipe problem yes.
So I warned them, because they have children, and explained why they should remove the wall plaster etc before restauring this place.
Then I noticed the same smell in the church and maybe this toxic one came from there? Consequences for having a catholic mother? And then I visited also an old house where we spent some holidays, and the same smell was there again, so we might have moved the spores there! And again, though I could hardly stand the smell, the owner could smell NOTHING.

Please can you tell me which numbers showed it? White cells and eosinophiles?

Ah, okay. I understand what you meant now. Thank you for explaining.

Thinking more about what John Rose said, I did a quick google search on Brian Clement's research on B12:

B12 Deficiencies - Hippocrates Health Institute

Dr. Morse considers B12 a covitamin, a cobalt derivative, and relates a deficiency in it to weak adrenals and/or possible malabsorption. I'll see what happens with my B12 levels as I continue to work on my adrenals.

I'm glad you warned that family. Living with mold can have devastating effects on us. We had flooding in our basement twice, causing black mold to form on the walls and in the rugs. We cleaned them, but mold eventually grew back on the walls so we're now thinking that it may have spread to the studs/framing. After that was when I began dropping weight. My brother and I started hiking for the first time around that time so initially, I just figured the weight loss was due to that.

I think the mold continued to be a problem for my mum and I even after we were no longer living there because our bodies were unable to kick it out or "detox" it fully given our weak kidneys and adrenals. It was only until this past December when my current doctor ordered blood tests for mold toxicity that my dad made mentioned of this mysterious facial rash and weepy eyes he had that went away right after we moved out. Interestingly, the rash I've struggled with only appears on my face.

RBTI isn't like traditional medicine so by numbers, I mean my RBTI numbers. These numbers are based on 7 tests. There are six tests done on urine samples – total carbohydrate, pH, conductivity, cell debris, nitrate nitrogen & ammonia nitrogen, and one test done on the saliva – pH. Maybe she saw it in the cell debris or by the pattern of my numbers? I'm not sure. At first she asked me if I had a yeast infection and when I said no, she began to suspect I was living in a home with toxic mold.

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[Jennifer]

Hi @Richiebogie,

No, I lived too far from her so I shipped my urine out to the lab every couple of weeks or so. Knowing what I know now, though RBTI helps many people, I think it makes healing far more complicated than it has to be.

I was put on over 14 supplements and had to eat very specific foods even within a single food category. For example, I was only allowed to eat certain fruits or certain vegetables based on my numbers. I also had to test my urine and saliva pH multiple times a day, as well as my urine Brix. I was essentially a slave to my numbers and I found it very disempowering.

Hilde says dry fasting is effective because it forces the kidneys to squeeze out trapped acids, but their healing by retaining alkaline fluids is an interesting thought. I could see that!

Ooh...yeah, urine therapy. I had a friend back when I did RBTI who tried it. It didn't do him any good. It was something I just couldn't get onboard with. Knowing what I know now, I definitely wouldn't want to recycle my metabolic waste.

Yep, my pH has finally come down since I started filtering so I think there is truth to what Dr. Morse says.

You're welcome! I saw the restaurant in one of Freelee's videos. It looks like a pretty area to live. It sort of reminded me of LA or Miami, but I've never been to either so...

I eat the squash both ways, but usually raw. I soak the noodles first in lemon juice to soften them, then drain the liquid and add the sauce and let it absorb for at least 15 minutes before eating.

Oh, great! We have an Asian section at the supermarket that has a few of those veggies, but I still haven't found Thai basil.

Yep, I just looked and Luke Nguyen is on a station here called the Cooking Channel. We get the other ones you mentioned, too. I'll see when Passport to Asia is on next and set the DVR to record it.

Awesome! I'm glad they're clearing up. Yes, Dr. Morse attributes itchy skin to fungus from having weak adrenals, but it wouldn't surprise me if shingles play a role.

 

[Richiebogie]

Hi @Jennifer,

RBTI sounds good but it's great that you have found something much simpler and better!

Thanks for your squash recipe! I have never tried making noodles from veggies but I did get a free tool a few months back so I should try it some day!

I have seen zucchini noodles used as a spaghetti replacement!

It is great that your kidneys are expelling acids! My friend bought some ashwagandha the other day so I might try that soon!

I was just reading an old thread from Haidut that discusses arginine's relation to cancer!

I'm not sure if it is high total arginine which is bad or if a low lysine:arginine ratio causes issues!

If it is the latter then Dr Morse's all-grape diet may not be a good idea for cancer patients!

On the one hand grapes are alkalising but on the other hand they have one of the lowest lysine to arginine ratios of the fruits!

I recall again the man with the neck tumor who had such faith in the grape cure. He shunned all other food but the cancer just got worse and worse!

Here is Ray Peat discussing arginine:



Here is the thread:

Arginine Depletion May Be A Viable Approach For Cancer

And here is a link to a journal article:

"Arginine has been known to influence the growth of transplantable mice tumor since 1930 (1). Diet supplemented with arginine enhances tumor growth in mice. Conversely, dietary restriction of arginine inhibits growth of metastatic tumor (2)." (Cheng et al. (2007) Pegylated recombinant human arginase (rhArg-peg5,000mw) inhibits the in vitro and in vivo proliferation of human hepatocellular carcinoma through arginine depletion [Pegylated recombinant human arginase (rhArg-peg5,000mw) inhibits the in vitro and in vivo proliferation of human hepatocellular carcinoma through a... - PubMed - NCBI])

Anyhow, food for thought! I will keep investigating!

 

[Richiebogie]

I had another thought. Robert Morse is not against tumor size. He says that the body is putting all the acid waste into the tumor to deal with later.

These tumors can sometimes pop out through the skin, particularly if the kidneys are not filtering acidic lymph fluid.

So he might suggest the arginine is cleaning up the acids. He is against chemo and radiation that break the tumor apart and leave the body more acidic.

Also, the phytochemicals in grapes may compensate for the arginine and stop the tumor from growing.

However this may not work for all people. Papaya, mango, apples, apricots and figs may be safer!

 

[Jennifer]

I had another thought. Robert Morse is not against tumor size. He says that the body is putting all the acid waste into the tumor to deal with later.

These tumors can sometimes pop out through the skin, particularly if the kidneys are not filtering acidic lymph fluid.

So he might suggest the arginine is cleaning up the acids. He is against chemo and radiation that break the tumor apart and leave the body more acidic.

Also, the phytochemicals in grapes may compensate for the arginine and stop the tumor from growing.

However this may not work for all people. Papaya, mango, apples, apricots and figs may be safer!

Thank you for the link to the arginine thread and the clip with Ray.

I've been meaning to say I apologize for stating things you already know, given you've read Dr. Morse's book and watched his videos. I do it for others reading our comments.

How I understand it based on Dr. Morse's work is arginine, though like all the other amino acids is used for building, maintaining, repair, immune factors, transporters and catabolic factors, is still an acid (coagulating/dehydrating/corrosive) so I'm not sure he'd say it's cleaning up acids since it is one. He says acids in their pure form are corrosive. More on that later.

Okay, I just did a quick search and here he mentions amino acids at minutes 1:20...



What loosens up tumors (made up of acidic cellular waste and by-products of metabolism and/or damaged/atypical cells a.k.a "cancer" cells from acidosis that an overburden lymphatic system is forced to shuttle off to lymph nodes) are bases, and what cleans up this waste would be microphages (immune system) in the lymph nodes (septic tanks).

What Ray and haidut appear to be talking about is arginine in its isolated/pure form. I believe one of the factors that makes the form of arginine you and I are talking about different from what they're talking about or from chemo/radiation (1 – 2 pH) is that in whole foods, it comes packaged with base chemistry and other beneficial compounds, like what you pointed out with the grapes – the phytochemicals.

This is what I meant by "When God created the poison, he packaged the antidote with it." or my using celery juice instead of refined salt when my adrenals are struggling. Same with fat. I now try (still working on overcoming PUFA fear) to view fat from raw, whole plant sources like coconut, avocados, olives etc. as more than just MUFAs, PUFAs, saturated fats, omega 3, 6, 9, vitamin E etc. I see them as yummy buffers (the lymphatic system is a lipid based system and lipids buffer us from acids).

I honestly don't believe grapes cause cancer, but I do think that replacing them with papaya, mangoes, apples, apricots and figs might be a gentler approach for those who aren't filtering well because they are less astringent so metabolic waste is loosened up more gradually and not overburdening their body?

So how have you been feeling? Has your energy returned? How is Tess doing?

 

[Richiebogie]

Hi @Jennifer,

Thanks for your reply. Yes you are right that Dr Morse considers all amino acids including lysine and arginine as acidic and problematic!

It is also interesting in that video how he says that acids coagulate, dry out and form hard lumps!

That is a good idea to think of avocado as assisting the lymph system to rehydrate and flow!

I continue to make my smoothies out of apple juice, banana, mango and papaya, as well as eat the higher lysine to arginine ratio fruits. While the lip is slowly healing it will be interesting to see if other tissues strengthen over time!

I discovered that nutritional yeast and the Australian yeast extract product "vegemite" are quite high in protein and b vitamins and has twice as much lysine as arginine! They have both been recommended by some people for cold sores and skin problems! While it is not a fruit or a green I might experiment with the occasional teaspoon as it could be useful to compensate for the high arginine in any berries, citrus or nuts (mainly coconut) I might eat in the future!

There is a lower salt version of Vegemite with vitamin b12 added so I might buy that version!

It would be good if over time the arginine ceased to be an issue!

Tess loves her banana and dates but my friend keeps slipping her liver treats, minced venison and some of his eggs and bacon during the day on top of her meat&bone dinner! I am encouraging him to save all animal protein for her dinner so that we can see in one view how much she is getting. Also I think it could be good for Tess' energy to have all the animal protein digesting overnight!

I just read that zucchini is the same species as yellow squash (the flying saucer shaped vegetable). I must have missed that lesson in primary school! No wonder they taste so similar. Their skins have a similar feel to them too! I'm not a fan of either but I do love their cousin, roast pumpkin! So does Tess!

Strawberry season is coming to a close here but mangos have arrived! I'm getting a pair of large overripe mangos for $1.00 from my favourite grocer!

That's interesting about your old moldy house causing problems! I guess you were constantly breathing in spores! Do you find coconut oil, vinegar or grated carrot help with yeast issues? I know you don't add salt.

I think Dr Morse says that starch and complex carbohydrates feed yeasts both because human enzymes struggle to digest starch and because with fat the complex sugars can cause high blood sugar!

I have a band of white at the roof of my mouth that goes from my left upper molars to the right upper molars. I am wondering if that is suggesting I have yeast throughout my digestive tract...

Or is it a sign of mucus and acids waiting to escape...? (Does Dr Morse believe the head lymph drains to the kidneys, or does he think it drains out the ears, nose or gets swallowed down the digestive tract!?)

 

[Jennifer]

Hi Richiebogie,

My pleasure! :)

Good! Yes, I hope that you see strengthening in all your tissues as your lip heals.

Oh, yeah! Nutritional yeast. I was looking at it not that long ago to add a cheesy flavor to dishes. I found one that is just straight up deactivated yeast without the added vitamins. Vegemite is from brewer's yeast, right?

Yeah, hopefully you won't have to worry about the arginine for long. This way of eating is already strict enough without having to worry about amino acid ratios.

Oh, good! I'm glad Tess is liking the bananas and dates. Sorry to hear your friend is making it challenging to see how much animal protein she is getting in total. I guess the bright side is he's at least giving her real food. I knew if Bee went missing in the house, a certain family member was sharing his highly processed snacks with him. lol

Yep, zucchini and yellow squash are both summer squash. I prefer winter squash, too. My favorites are Delicata and Butternut. Have you ever had mamey sapote? It supposedly tastes like a mix of pumpkin pie and sweet potato and has the texture of avocado.

Nice! Are the mangoes Kensington Prides? I watch this guy on YouTube who travels the world in search of exotic fruit and he tried an Australian mango that tasted like piña colada. Someone in the comments mentioned it being a Kensington Pride.

My dad had his music studio in the basement where the flooding happened and I used to go play the organ down there or do my artwork, dance etc. so looking back, we were exposed to it daily. Fat and anything fermented made the issue worse. The only thing that helped was sticking to a diet of low-fat sweet fruit and using Dr. Morse's Parasite M.

Yep, Dr. Morse is in agreement with Ray on starch/complex carbs. The white sounds like yeast unless...does your tongue stay pink or does it get a coating? Ray has said that the coating is related to bacteria in the gut. I can't recall if Dr. Morse has talked about tongue coatings, but he has said numerous times that moles on the skin are a sign of a fungal overgrowth so that's one indication.

Umm...all of the above? Head lymph will drain to the kidneys and/or be expelled out other eliminative systems (this includes mucous in our nose that drains down our throat into our digestive tracts and why Dr. Morse says not to swallow it but spit it out) if they're strong as this would mean that the rest of the body's lymph is flowing well since congestion starts at the feet, working its way up over time if tissues are weak.

However, if the acids have become so bad in an area, they're forced to take the most direct route (like my experience with the tonsil stones) but given the right conditions (alkalizing), they can dissolve over time and work their way out through the kidneys and other eliminative systems. Dr. Morse has said that diet alone can dissolve liver stones so...

It seems to me that even our ear wax is a normal part of elimination, but I'm thinking it should be liquid/runny and not the hard wax that some have? To me, the latter points to an over acidic condition considering acids cause coagulation/hardening and having hard earwax could pose a problem by becoming lodged in the ear? I can't imagine we were designed that way.