I Need Help To Grow Back My Receding Hairline. [20yo MALE]

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There are at least 2 cases documented here on the forum .Got the threads saved up. Reversal or receding hairline.
One is @rawmeat
I would like to see them too please ! :)
I'm really CONVICED if one manage to tackle MPB in its early stage it can be reversed to a certain degree.
 

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More magnesium. Waaay more. At least 1:1 with calcium and phosphorus. To bowel tolerance. Grams are fine. Also apply topically on scalp (maybe even with iodine and MSM; there are MSM + magnesium oil spray products).

Melatonin.

Melatonin and HGH/IGF-1 are the hormones that are different before typical onset of recession.

I'm suggesting hundreds of milligrams of melatonin. See: Jeff Bowles.

One is sufficient potassium. Another is retention. Melatonin, ZMA, AOR Ortho-Core, etc.

Beauty of melatonin is reduced oxidative stress, inflammation, reaction to endotoxin, lipid peroxidation, heavy metals, mTOR (during sleep), insulin resistance, cortisol, etc.

Vitamin K2.

Beta adrenergic receptor 2 agonism (usually from epinephrine) increases vasodilation and lowers inflammation. ADRB2 agonism is associated with warmer climates. Beta 3 increases thermogenesis and vasoconstriction.
Did this regrow hair for yourself? Especially interested in magnesium and melatonin.
 

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What about ZMA? I have two packages of it. A single pill is 125mg of magnesium, 5mg of zinc, 0,66mg of b6. What would be the safe daily dose? I'm not sure about taking too much b6.
 
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So what are you guys suggesting to fix my health/metabolism, regrow my hairline and slowly bulk up ?
Could you give me some advice, or link me to useful thread/ressources ? :)
 

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@Undertone Might want to look up Danny Roddy series on his Youtube channel.
Something I've learned after a few months on this forum: You'll receive fantastic advice that you can apply. But you can't just rely on being it given to you, you can do that of course, but it'll only lead to frustration, and you'll be going back in circles. So read, learn as much as possible, choose the hypothesis that you go with and test that one out. Then reflect and either refine or change strategy.
At some point, you gotta take matters into your own hands. That's what I'll be doing for sure. That is the fastest path there is.
 

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Oxidative Stress in Ageing of Hair

Ageing of hair manifests as decrease of melanocyte function or graying, and decrease in hair production or alopecia. There is circumstantial evidence that oxidative stress may be a pivotal mechanism contributing to hair graying and hair loss.

Oxidative Stress in Ageing of Hair \


A hypothetical pathogenesis model for androgenic alopecia: clarifying the dihydrotestosterone paradox and rate-limiting recovery factors

AGA is the result of chronic GA-transmitted scalp tension mediated by pubertal and post-pubertal skull bone growth and/or the overdevelopment and chronic contraction of muscles connected to the GA. This tension induces a pro-inflammatory cascade (increased ROS, COX-2 signaling, IL-1, TNF-α, etc.) which induces TGF-β1 alongside increased androgen activity (5-αR2, DHT, and AR), which furthers TGF-β1 expression in already-inflamed AGA-prone tissues. The concomitant presence of DHT and TGF-β1 mediates perifollicular fibrosis, dermal sheath thickening, and calcification of the capillary networks supporting AGA-prone hair follicles. These chronic, progressive conditions are the rate-limiting factors in AGA recovery. They restrict follicle growth space and decrease oxygen and nutrient supply to AGA-prone tissues – leading to tissue degradation, hair follicle miniaturization, and eventually pattern baldness.

A hypothetical pathogenesis model for androgenic alopecia: clarifying the dihydrotestosterone paradox and rate-limiting recovery factors - ScienceDirect


Induction of transforming growth factor-beta 1 by androgen is mediated by reactive oxygen species in hair follicle dermal papilla cells

The progression of androgenetic alopecia is closely related to androgen-inducible transforming growth factor (TGF)-β1 secretion by hair follicle dermal papilla cells (DPCs) in bald scalp. Physiological levels of androgen exposure were reported to increase reactive oxygen species (ROS) generation. In this study, rat vibrissae dermal papilla cells (DP-6) transfected with androgen receptor showed increased ROS production following androgen treatment. We confirmed that TGF-β1 secretion is increased by androgen treatment in DP-6, whereas androgen inducible TGF-β1 was significantly suppressed by the ROS scavenger, N-acetyl cysteine. Therefore, we suggest that induction of TGF-β1 by androgen is mediated by ROS in hair follicle DPCs.

Induction of transforming growth factor-beta 1 by androgen is mediated by reactive oxygen species in hair follicle dermal papilla cells


Multiple nutritional, environmental and lifestyle factors can directly affect hair follicles, to weaken and make them sensitive to the action of androgens. Hair loss can be corrected and hair growth can be improved by addressing these non-androgenic factors. Patients having hair fall, thinning, loss of volume and poor growth can be precursors to androgenetic alopecia. Recent research has shown that androgens inhibit hair growth through release of Transforming Growth Factor (TGF) ß1. Further study of this mechanism reveals that generation of Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) induced by androgens leads to release of TGF ß1 and use of ROS scavengers can block the release of TGF ß1, explaining beneficial role of antioxidants in hair growth. The binding of ROS to intracellular proteins also causes hair loss by altering the protein structure, changing their immune recognition and converting them to new antigens targeted by inflammatory and immune systems. Calorie restriction and individual micronutrient deficiencies lead to a new process of intracellular destruction or autophagy before cell apoptosis, which could explain cessation of hair growth. Telogen is not a resting phase but now defined as active conservation of follicles under unfavorable conditions. Thus any stress, trauma, metabolic change or insult causes telogen. Micronutrients zinc, copper, selenium maintains immunity, control inflammation and preserve antioxidant activity of the cells. Vitamins A, C, D have a role in phagocytosis and antibodies maintaining resistance. Vitamin D3 modulates the hair-inductive capacity of dermal papilla cells. Vitamin and micronutrient deficiencies are prevalent among all the population of the world. Nutritive value of the foods has reduced over the years by 30%. Endocrine Disrupting chemicals are creating further damage to the hormonal balance of the body. All these can be countered by use of antioxidants and a well-planned nutritional program which will ensure strengthening and regrowth of hair follicles, without the use of Finasteride.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...n_Hair_loss_and_Hair_Regrowth_Review_Articlen
 

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I would like to see them too please ! :)
I'm really CONVICED if one manage to tackle MPB in its early stage it can be reversed to a certain degree.

check some of my old posts. Very possible to stop it. There is a degree of male scalp enlargement that will inevitably mature your hairline, unless you have a perfect head shape-- square and right angled forehead and solid brow ridge (example attached). However, a mature hairline is not balding.

My hair is ALMOST perfect. I'll do an updated post within the year on everything I did and what helped me most. One of the best pieces of advice I can give you is to just eat ******* normally. Orthorexia is a sin boys, don't fall into a trap of being a ghey picky eater. Stop obsessing on the forums, the vicious cycle stresses you out further. Put the massage work in, fix your posture, get your body warm and work out hard like a REAL man. SWEAT.

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check some of my old posts. Very possible to stop it. There is a degree of male scalp enlargement that will inevitably mature your hairline, unless you have a perfect head shape-- square and right angled forehead and solid brow ridge (example attached). However, a mature hairline is not balding.

My hair is ALMOST perfect. I'll do an updated post within the year on everything I did and what helped me most. One of the best pieces of advice I can give you is to just eat ******* normally. Orthorexia is a sin boys, don't fall into a trap of being a ghey picky eater. Stop obsessing on the forums, the vicious cycle stresses you out further. Put the massage work in, fix your posture, get your body warm and work out hard like a REAL man. SWEAT.

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Thanks a lot, I agree with you ! Can't wait to see your update ! :)
 

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Yeah i meant about whole you (preferably side profile), not only your hairline. The reason i asked is because i have a theory on MPB being caused by postural damage/fascial tension, if such lunacy interests you just look into my post history, no need to take pictures ;)
Hey Rei. You're definitely on to something with the domino effects from a misaligned posture. Do you know Egoscue Therapy or Original Strength? I'd like to know more about your chiropractic yoga. I have/had scoliosis along with a spinal fusion at age 14. Asymmetry continues with muscles pulling bones out of place including in the face on one side.
 

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I'd like to know more about your chiropractic yoga.
Visualize what you want to achieve, then start doing what those two words mean to you.

It's not about doing some thing, it's about doing anything which brings you one step closer to your goal. I did not believe in chiropractic and thought yoga is a trendy name for stretching. But turns out when you do what you feel is needed, you find yourself doing things that are best described by these words. My initial goal was to simply straighten my neck, and oh boy how things snowballed from there. But the point is to find and listen to your inner voice. Fasting, meditation will help you hear better, and friends have told me also certain illegal drugs modify your awareness in a similar way.
 
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First warning: DO NOT EVER EVER TAKE FINASTERIDE. Screw the pharmaceutical establishment. It will **** you up, and it is not needed.

Your metabolism is way too low for a 20 year old.
You should be able to fix that with more food, smaller snacks throughout the day, and going to bed earlier with more sleep.
Eat foods that are appetizing to you, but avoid fast food and vegetable oil fried stuff. Take vitamin E if you eat a meal fried in vegetable oil.
Drink plenty of milk and eggs, and enough sugars.

Find some exercise/sport to have an outlet for stress. Don't burn the midnight oil, even if you're young. Take care of your body.

Track your temperature daily in a spreadsheet or something until you reach around 98F upon waking up consistently.

Avoid stressful things in your life. Reflect on what makes you happy and go work towards that.
Forget social pressure to do what ppl expect of you, go towards what you desire.

You're so young that you can work towards something and have many years to get it down.

Stay in touch with your friends, it's crucial for social support. Create a circle of friends around you, that will carry you through life.
There is such a thing as involuntary loneliness. Easy to lose touch with people, much harder to get back into touch.

Have healthy sex with girls who want you, don't want porn or at least very infrequently.

If you go through difficult times, say family deaths or breakups or are just frankly struggling as a young adult, reach out to people. Talk about your feelings with your friends, parents, etc.

Get as much sun as you can, if not take vitamin D everyday (liquid form) all winter.

I'm in my late 20s, and did everything wrong in my early 20s, got extremely physically sick in my mid20s, and am just starting to recover. And contrary to you, I had perfect hair and health at 20, and everything still went downhill fast.

Don't make my mistake, and you should be able to turn things around quickly.
 

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It sounds nice to say "maitnain healthy life" and such to save your hair, but it's bs. Once again, there are sick, stressed people with terrible craniofacial development and lifestyle, who indulge in drugs and alcohol and still have perfect hairlines and superb density.
You can do everything perfectly, diet, lifestyle etc. and still lose ground.
 

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It sounds nice to say "maitnain healthy life" and such to save your hair, but it's bs. Once again, there are sick, stressed people with terrible craniofacial development and lifestyle, who indulge in drugs and alcohol and still have perfect hairlines and superb density.
You can do everything perfectly, diet, lifestyle etc. and still lose ground.
probably true
 

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Nobody here ever grew back one hair but giving all those advices.



Alright guys

I havent seen many on here either.. but on websites I have seen results.. it usually involves micro needle, hard scalp massage and dht blocking.
The problem here is people don't focus on dht reducing at all. In some cases people don't respond even after a year of massages unless dht reducing is also implemented.
 

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It sounds nice to say "maitnain healthy life" and such to save your hair, but it's bs. Once again, there are sick, stressed people with terrible craniofacial development and lifestyle, who indulge in drugs and alcohol and still have perfect hairlines and superb density.
You can do everything perfectly, diet, lifestyle etc. and still lose ground.

lol, sorry but I'm sick of always seeing this same rhetoric. "Homeless people aren't bald"
This has been addressed many times

Diet is but a tiny fraction of what makes a person healthy. People do inherit physiological states from their parents and grandparents. Stress is passed on through generations. If your metabolic reserves are high, and your mom at a healthy pregnancy, maybe for example went beyond the 9months, and you were breastfed, with little psychological stress as a child and teenager, you can grow to become a very resilient young adult who parties all the time, never sleeps, drinks like crazy and keeps perfect hair. It's incredibly hard to compensate for inadequate development. Really healthy humans are incredibly resilient to stressors. They can be exposed to stress which would kill someone else, and it bounces off of them.

You can't compare people because honestly we're all totally different cases. But the younger we are the more we can enact changes which reverse the pathological conditions created by a stressful environment. A young guy (<25 year old) losing hair can remedy it by taking concrete steps to get lots of sunshine, sleeping well, suppressing parathyroid with lots of milk, calcium magnesium, having a good support system of friends, healthy sex, and pursuing what is interesting to them. It sounds so simple, but 95% of the people who start losing their hair never make those changes, precisely because they see friends of theirs who live "terrible lives" and yet have incredible hair. Those people have been more lucky than you were in their development, but I bet their children will be bald, because that's how it goes, we pass on the stress adaptations to our children.
 

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People do inherit physiological states from their parents and grandparents. Stress is passed on through generations. If your metabolic reserves are high, and your mom at a healthy pregnancy, maybe for example went beyond the 9months, and you were breastfed, with little psychological stress as a child and teenager, you can grow to become a very resilient young adult who parties all the time, never sleeps, drinks like crazy and keeps perfect hair. It's incredibly hard to compensate for inadequate development. Really healthy humans are incredibly resilient to stressors. They can be exposed to stress which would kill someone else, and it bounces off of them.

Very convenient explanation.
 

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Very convenient explanation.

It's not merely 'convenient' it's the entire thesis behind Ray's work, and
Georgi (haidut) and Ray have explained those things for years, we are the products of our past environment and we pass on these adaptations.

I think you need to do more research.
 

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lol, sorry but I'm sick of always seeing this same rhetoric. "Homeless people aren't bald"
This has been addressed many times

Diet is but a tiny fraction of what makes a person healthy. People do inherit physiological states from their parents and grandparents. Stress is passed on through generations. If your metabolic reserves are high, and your mom at a healthy pregnancy, maybe for example went beyond the 9months, and you were breastfed, with little psychological stress as a child and teenager, you can grow to become a very resilient young adult who parties all the time, never sleeps, drinks like crazy and keeps perfect hair. It's incredibly hard to compensate for inadequate development. Really healthy humans are incredibly resilient to stressors. They can be exposed to stress which would kill someone else, and it bounces off of them.

You can't compare people because honestly we're all totally different cases. But the younger we are the more we can enact changes which reverse the pathological conditions created by a stressful environment. A young guy (<25 year old) losing hair can remedy it by taking concrete steps to get lots of sunshine, sleeping well, suppressing parathyroid with lots of milk, calcium magnesium, having a good support system of friends, healthy sex, and pursuing what is interesting to them. It sounds so simple, but 95% of the people who start losing their hair never make those changes, precisely because they see friends of theirs who live "terrible lives" and yet have incredible hair. Those people have been more lucky than you were in their development, but I bet their children will be bald, because that's how it goes, we pass on the stress adaptations to our children.

I agree & in particular I think relationship with mother growing up has a lot to do with quality of hair.
 

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Let's say one manages to fix all his health issues, minimize stressors and all that.
Have you ever seen anyone who had regrown his hairline without super strong hormonal regimens? Highly doubt that.
 

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