I Fixed My Insomnia For One Weak With WHEY Protein

[Dino D]

If you need it; Background:
1. Keto Fixes My Insomnia And Caffeine Tolerance, Why?
2. Appetite/ I Have Endless Hunger, What To Do?

So I have Insomnia for 2-3 years, or just bad sleep... also anxiety or being irritable, brain fog, constipation and so one... for the last weak i fixed almost everything:

I took 100 gram of whey protein every day... the second day my sleep went from 3 to 8 (from 1 to 10) and stayed there, no irritability, no constipation-i go 2 times a day now, before it was 1 time in 2 days, coffee does not make so much problems anymore, i feel normal and not on constant adrenaline and nervousness. In fact i really feel happy and calm... and this happend the first time after a looooong time...

I saw some people here swearing on low protein, i went one day super low and it got super bad, so i had the idea to go high protein, at least 200 gram a day (like when I was younger, went to the gym, and didnt had problems)...
All the time i ate around 100 gram of protein a day and for one year I experimented with fat and carbs, with eating 2 times or 6 times, vagan or meat based and what not... dairy or no dairy etc. but i never upped my proteins (not intentionally)
also this simple video related to me a lot
#proteindeficiency
I feel so normal now, my sleep isnt great but i sleep and when i go to bed i feel SO NORMAL and not like i will explode!!! i take cheap whey 60-100 gram a day...
when i tried eating lots of meat i did not have such an effect... so it is still not clear to me, is it the high protein or is it because of the whey and the amino acid profile?
and one more thing, now it does not matter what carbs i eat, i hade big spikes from different carbs, digestion problems, adrenaline rushes from fruit, now i dont... maybe just a little...

so my advice is: if you have insomnia, constipation and feel bad, maybe you could try going high protein and try it with whey, its not 'that peaty' but one weak experiment will not kill you

 

[Vinny]

So cool, DinoD, to find a SINGLE thing that does so much good! Im very happy for you, perhaps ill try it too!

 

[Mary Lyn]

Hi Dino

Thanks for the info. Do you know of any whey proteins that do not contain lethicin and are from grass fed cattle?

 

[Dino D]

So cool, DinoD, to find a SINGLE thing that does so much good! Im very happy for you, perhaps ill try it too!

Thx
It is very simply to try...

Hi Dino

Thanks for the info. Do you know of any whey proteins that do not contain lethicin and are from grass fed cattle?

No, but you have a lot of whey proteins out there, i believe you can find such whey...
If not, whey in the form of isolate could be even easier to digest, so if you have problems with whey or such ingredients, they should be less present with whey isolate...
I will also try casein, maybe it is not about whey, maybe its just about high protein... still maybe it is whey, or something in whey that is good for me...
Sometimes I mix in the whey smoothie one banana or coconut oil... I dont know, i suddenly feel like I can eat everything. Maaaybe not gluten :)

 

[ecstatichamster]

It’s great.

Really.

I am not trying to be cynical, please understand how much I appreciate your account.

Now let’s see how it goes with you in a few months. Always the litmus test here.

How long did you have insomnia by the way?

 

[somuch4food]

so my advice is: if you have insomnia, constipation and feel bad, maybe you could try going high protein and try it with whey, its not 'that peaty' but one weak experiment will not kill you

That fits me pretty good. The part about increasing meat not leading to anything would fit my case as well. I feel my digestion gets weaker and I get more constipated when I overdo meat.

How do you fit 100g of whey in your day? Smoothies and protein shakes, I would guess. Did you ease into this or just went straight to the full dose?

I will also try casein, maybe it is not about whey, maybe its just about high protein... still maybe it is whey, or something in whey that is good for me...

Casein is known to cause issues in many. That would a good experiment, but if it fails it still doesn't mean it's not just an increase in proteins.

 

[Dino D]

It’s great.

Really.

I am not trying to be cynical, please understand how much I appreciate your account.

Now let’s see how it goes with you in a few months. Always the litmus test here.

How long did you have insomnia by the way?

I agree, that's why my post says for one weak! :) I will update
I have insomnia for 3 years... it was super severe 2-3 years ago and i managed to regulate it so that i dont kill my self haha... I tried a lot of stuff... salt, sugar, fat, all herbs, melatonin(terrible insomnia from it), benzos(works), sleep pills(works), eating before bad, not eating, going low calorie, super high calorie, eating before bad, not eating before bad, super exercising, not exercising at all, getting a lot of sun (more insomnia), not using mobile phones or any electronics, open window, closed window, wim hof (terrible super extreme insomnia), bag breathing (nothing), sex, no sex... alcohol, weed (anxiety), fruit based, starch free, super fiber, no fiber, praying, meditating, and the list goes on and on... I have had days where i suddenly have slept amazing, then the next day i try to do the same and nothing, thats the first time that i slept for 7 days (i do wake up, the sleep is not super deep) but it is TOTALY acceptable... ALSO, i feel so normal, it was adrenalin all the time before... The first time that i go regularly to the toilet, i think even my skin is better... NO ENDLESS HUNGER like in the previous post!!! and now i can think that all that peat ideas can make a difference, fruit/starch fiber/no fiber, caffeine, salt and so ON... al those things almost didnt do anything, only made it worse sometimes... and still I KNOW it's to soon to make any long term conclusions... I will update...
I also have tinnitus for 4 years, and it is pretty low in the last days...

 

[ecstatichamster]

Thanks @Dino D

Much appreciate the details.

 

[Dino D]

That fits me pretty good. The part about increasing meat not leading to anything would fit my case as well. I feel my digestion gets weaker and I get more constipated when I overdo meat.

How do you fit 100g of whey in your day? Smoothies and protein shakes, I would guess. Did you ease into this or just went straight to the full dose?



Casein is known to cause issues in many. That would a good experiment, but if it fails it still doesn't mean it's not just an increase in proteins.

I WAS IN A very crazy place. The first day i did 5 smoothies 5x30 grama(150 gram a day), the second i did 4... now i do 2-3... its getting annoying... every day the same food you get an abstinence towards it... there are very delicious wheys out there (i know from before) my current is very bad haha... you can add a banana, milk, or anything that you like... doing two whey smoothies with so many different ingredients and flavours should be easy for anyone... and I think when you fix stuff, but this is now an assumption, you dont need it that much... arent proteins and aminos the building block for so much mechanisms and cells in our body? why would you function properly if you dont have enough proteins... when bodybuilders go on a diet, they KNOW they WILL lose muscle and not fat if there is not enough protein... Protein is the most imporntat macro for them, It was for me also, I didnt know anything when I was 20, just that i need protein and everything was fine, they have never been any complex rules to eating, just get your proteins, my problems started when i got complicated about what to eat, time passed, stress came, time still passed, and a few years went down, my metabolism ****88 up, all the time I NEVER UPPED my protein... I dont want to go into science here, there are experts here, i'm just an observer of my body and i DO TRY END ERROR HERE... the question is what in our body, metabolism and digestion needs proteins, and how much? AND HOW MUCH DO SPECIFICALLY I NEED? How much do I need today, and how much will it be tomorrow? AND YOU? Does stress increase the need for proteins...? I think it does...

 

[Mary Lyn]

Thx
It is very simply to try...

No, but you have a lot of whey proteins out there, i believe you can find such whey...
If not, whey in the form of isolate could be even easier to digest, so if you have problems with whey or such ingredients, they should be less present with whey isolate...
I will also try casein, maybe it is not about whey, maybe its just about high protein... still maybe it is whey, or something in whey that is good for me...
Sometimes I mix in the whey smoothie one banana or coconut oil... I dont know, i suddenly feel like I can eat everything. Maaaybe not gluten :)

I t is not about digestion: Peat warns against lethicin and although he may be wrong about some things we should eat, I trust him over what we should not be putting into our system.as others agree with him. My search has not come up with anything yet and btw what do you think of this:

10 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Use Whey Protein Supplements

 

[somuch4food]

I dont want to go into science here, there are experts here, i'm just an observer of my body and i DO TRY END ERROR HERE... the question is what in our body, metabolism and digestion needs proteins, and how much? AND HOW MUCH DO SPECIFICALLY I NEED? How much do I need today, and how much will it be tomorrow? AND YOU? Does stress increase the need for proteins...? I think it does...

I'm all for personal experimentation. There are a lot of contradictions in the scientific literature.

I would try to taper off the dose over a period of time and see if the benefits start to wear off. You could only need sporadic protein increases in time of stress for example.

Many things can increase the need for proteins and I think Peat says that the older you get the more you benefit from increased proteins.

Have you tried gelatin/collagen which is considered more Peaty?

BTW, I just watched the video and I have many of those symptoms. You might have just gotten a second guinea pig for your little experiment.

My search has not come up with anything yet and btw what do you think of this:

10 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Use Whey Protein Supplements

They are all valid points, but even traditional food sources are not natural anymore with all those human interventions. Fishes and seafood also contain contaminants.

The points about whey powder having too much proteins that create possible gut issues and change in gut flora can be said of any food really. Creating a smoothie with fruits and a source of fat could help with that. Using only the whey powder in water might create more issues.

We just need to listen to our body. Since I started using more intuitive eating, I have become better at identifying my body's signals related to inflammation and endotoxin load, but I haven't found my ideal eating pattern/diet that would prevent this state completely.

 

[Dino D]

I t is not about digestion: Peat warns against lethicin and although he may be wrong about some things we should eat, I trust him over what we should not be putting into our system.as others agree with him. My search has not come up with anything yet and btw what do you think of this:

10 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Use Whey Protein Supplements

I'm not an expert, and I'm truly not defending whey, and I'm not relevant at all... after two years whey just worked and thats it... you can try it, or somome else can aslo try it if other thing here dont work...

still a reply to your link
1.
Whey protein powder is an evolutionarily novel, processed food product with an abnormal nutrient composition. YES. but our life is also a novel 24 hour stress, sedentery lifestlye, no sun, no fun... no long periods of relaxation, no natural food... and in this context whey, sugar and supplement can have its place, it would make only 10-20% of the diet
2. maybe, everything else can also
3. yes, but my skin is better
4. yes, but my hunger is under control, also sugar is insulogenic, so what
5. maybe, that is bad, dont buy those
6. yes, i will try go to high protein without whey, it is harder
7. yes, they have to be better sources then whey.. dairy is problem for many, but who has a problem with dairy will still be most likey able to hande whey isolate
8. maybe yes maybe no,
9. yes, natural is the best
10. OK, but this forum helped more then nature , so did whey, and i cant go live in nature...

however i basically agree that whey is not the ultimate solution, but i dont belive that it is SUPER BAD.

 

[Dino D]

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Have you tried gelatin/collagen which is considered more Peaty?

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We dont have gelatine around here... i have found some but it is not nice ... we have collagen protein powders, i could try that...

 

[somuch4food]

We dont have gelatine around here... i have found some but it is not nice ... we have collagen protein powders, i could try that...

That would another interesting experiment. I was avoiding protein powders since I want to rely on foods for the most part, but many food sources of proteins seem to not agree totally with me. A ponctual protein supplementation might help my body go in the right direction.

@Mary Lyn When searching for a pure whey powder, I found this one: https://www.amazon.ca/NAKED-Undenat...71ZDDNBY/ref=pd_sim_121_2/135-9818593-2389156

I don't know if it's available where you are. They have information on contamination and specify they use no heat in their process.

 

[Dave Clark]

Hi Dino

Thanks for the info. Do you know of any whey proteins that do not contain lethicin and are from grass fed cattle?

Whey Protein Concentrate- Hormone Free, non-GMO, Grass-Fed Whey Concentrate Good price, grass-fed, nothing added.

 

[Mary Lyn]

somuch4food [URL='https://raypeatforum.com/community/members/dave-clark.6234/'] Dave Clark[/URL]

Excellent!

 

[Mary Lyn]

Found one in the UK:

Premium Organic Whey Protein | Pulsin

 

[somuch4food]

@Dino D You really inspired me. When I went shopping today I grabbed some whey and collagen powders.

I will be experimenting with those, but I will start with lower doses and work my way up if needed.

 

[Runenight201]

What type of meats have you tried? All meat is not created equal, and even within the same animal, certain cuts are better than others.

 

[Constatine]

Upping my protein to at least 200 grams a day helped a whole lot in my case as well. I've seen a lot of studies showing benefits specifically with whey protein so I think its a fine protein source but for some reason I don't tolerate pure proteins too well. Rather I eat a lot of animal protein.
IMO many sick people can benefit from very high protein diets. Though when going really high on protein your body will be robbed of calcium and can even become a bit acidic so its important to keep calcium intake at least moderate.