I Don't Think I Can Recover, Suicidal| Mental Health Log

Discussion in 'Mental Issues' started by SuperStressed, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. rmgwm

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    Not to sound argumentative but I was just explaining what my experience has been, not claiming to know how most people behave. I literally knew of a diabetic who had their leg cut off and then years later died because they wanted to drink coke and continue to eat sugar. I have multiple stories like this. I think we agree though, 100% that it's difficult to take advice seriously when there is so much random, contradictory, and confusing advice on the board.
     
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    It's also important to fight that mindset, because it can create a positive feedback loop of learned helplessness, which further compounds the problem(s).
    I went from a near-death degraded state a year ago to a comfortable and near symptom-free situation now. Am I cured of everything? No I still have issues, but they're relatively minor and since I'm also tracking health data (like you!) I'm seeing a clear positive trend in all of the metrics I'm tracking.

    It is important to stick with it because the more you learn, the more you can fine-tune your environment to make sometimes big improvements. For example, aspirin used to do little for me, but since I've started dissolving it in baking soda, I've had incredible improvements. A big factor I think is intestinal irritation. I know Ray has talked about it often, but recently he said something to the extent that we don't notice intestinal irritation during the day when blood sugar is elevated, but that it can be a root cause of many symptoms during the nighttime.

    For me, recognizing that intestinal problems were becoming a fundamental issue even if I did not feel pain down there, was a big factor, and that's why for example, the carrot salad can be so important in the long run. It seems trivial and everybody here knows about it, but few of us do it, and there's even people saying it feeds bacteria now, which it absolutely does not.

    Measuring the vitamin D levels and realizing how low they were, objectively was a big factor and this summer I've been getting more sun than I've had in a almost decade (coincidently, my health has been getting worse and worse since then).
     
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    Yeah man, that evil sugar kills daily!!
     
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    What do you think I need to do?
     
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    Sugar doesn't cause diabetes man you've been a member since before me you should know this..

    But to address the point at hand, there's also probably a big difference between people who take charge of their health and those that don't. My main exposure to sick people is this forum, where most are very active in their recovery and absolutely not passive.
     
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    I didn't say sugar causes diabetes, but someone who already has diabetes (as I explained above) should not be eating high amounts of sugar.

    That's your experience with sick people, my experience is different.
     
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    You will need to alter your diet and if you are taking any supplements you may need to stop some of those. Feel free to DM me your full regular diet, everything that you eat leaving nothing out, supplements too, I hope you're not addicted to coffee/caffeine because that will definitely be one of the first things to go. You can most likely start seeing improvements within two weeks time and then it will progressively get better - I gotta look at your diet first.

    That drug can for sure screw up cortisol levels long term.
     
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    Sugar is the precise food that diabetics should be eating not avoiding.

    Glucose and sucrose for diabetes.

    If anything, dietary fat should be the macronutrient that diabetics should not be eating except for small amounts of coconut oil. I find this to be true for me, with my own health issues. Ample and unrestricted sugar is the only macronutrient I tolerate in large amounts, while dietary fat and protein both worsen my health.

    High blood sugar is caused by elevated FFA's. Eating sufficient carbohydrates will actually decrease the blood sugar over time as the body stops sensing a lack of glucose relative to fats (either FFA's or dietary fats) in the diet.

     
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    True or False: People with type II diabetes can eat/drink as much sugar as they want.

    what's your answer
     
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    I know you directed this to @milkboi but since I'm already here...

    I would say a diabetic should/can eat ad-libitum nutritious forms of sugars. I don't advocate unrestricted refined white sugar. But no limit to fruit, syrups, juices, honey, etc, and a few colas a day etc and some added sugar to coffee is fine as well (I personally have no refined sugar except one or two colas a day).

    Sure, if all you eat is white refined sugar that's not smart, even for a healthy person. So this is kind of a trick question, as no one should be doing that, diabetic or not.
     
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    Nutritional Ketosis for Weight Management and Reversal of Metabolic Syndrome. - PubMed - NCBI


    A low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet to treat type 2 diabetes

    A ketogenic diet can reverse insulin sensitivity and diabetes (type II). I have literally witnessed this first hand in my mother in law who had to take insulin for her type II diabetes (who by the way, decided she would rather eat sugar and once she started again had to get back on insulin [another example of people I know wanting to indulge instead of getting better]).

    here is another in-depth analysis on "nutritional ketosis" reversing diabetes (there are countless accounts of this)

    https://peterattiamd.com/type-2-diabetes-reversible-scale/

    I have never read, nor heard of a single person ever reversing diabetes by eating bountiful amounts of sugar. Ever. Does a story exist? Probably, but I have never seen it.
     
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    Man, clearly you are in the wrong forums lol. I'm not gonna derail this guys thread further so this will by my last post. Sorry @SuperStressed I just can't let this kind of stuff fly on a Peat forum of all things.

    Keto can keep the symptoms at bay, but keto actually induces further insulin resistance. The moment you go off keto your insulin resistance is worse then ever. I know, because I did keto for two years and even 10 gram of carbs caused me major problems. Keto does not cure your metabolic rate. Yeah you can lose weight, but losing weight is not the same as curing your metabolism. I'm not gonna bother explaining, since Ray does it much better than I can anyway so read his articles. Posting things like this in a guys' log who is struggling and telling him that Peat is wrong and keto is the answer... On a Peat inspired forum is just poor form IMO. He's already confused and struggling enough. If you are looking for a famous example the Kempner diet is one of the most famous well known diet that reverses IR and obesity/diabetes and it is pretty much a purely carb diet (rice and fruit). The people you talk to likely mix carbs and fats and from the sound of it don't focus on nutritious foods full of B vitamins either so of course they won't get better. Then there is McDougal and the starch diet (which I'm not the hugest fan of necessarily, but it can work too). Very few people have the dedication to eat a high carb low to zero fat diet this is why you don't hear about it. People become diabetic for the precise reason of making it a habit of mixing high fat and high carb meals together, especially high PUFA fat and high carb meals. It's pretty much impossible to become diabetic on a high carb zero fat diet.
     
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    It has less to do with the intake of fat or sugar and more to do with nutrient content of diet and lowering free fatty acids in the blood. It is elevated free fatty acids in the blood that is responsible for diabetes. Niacinamide and aspirin is good for this. Where did you come from? Keto is a bandaid, if one could truly cure their diabetic state from keto then they should be able to go back to eating carbs. Some can, especially carnivore dieters eating organs because organs provide the healing nutrients that is the groundwork for proper metabolism. High fat keto is generally crap. Why is it I have yet to hear of these Dr. Berg ketoers stereotypical ex-obese guys every going back to eating carbs? Because they can't. They never cured their insulin resistance or propensity for obesity, or other health issues, they merely painted over them with fat bombs and keto bars. Weight loss as well as a high carb low fat diet(which will induce fat loss anyway) is the recommended diet for insulin resistance, diabetes, obesity, etc...

    This is not the correct thread to argue this regardless. Read Peat's work and read the countless studies posted by many members here on the roles of nutrients, carbohydrates, and certain compounds(e.g. niacinamide) in healing oxidative metabolism.
     
  14. rmgwm

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    I can't even finish reading that. You have constantly misunderstood or purposely put words in my mouth in every response you made.
     
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    At the level of severity you are suffering with anxiety and depression, perhaps an MAOI like Parnate or Nardil would do you well. Ray has spoken favorably of them (in his serotonin article), which is partly how I discovered them. I don't know where I'd be without them, because I pretty much felt like you for a year until I got on Parnate, with similar causes (hydrocortisone and benzodiazepines).

    Parnate, among other things, makes life tolerable for me while navigating my other health issues.

    Regarding restlessness, agitation, and anxiety, pretty much all supplements worsen that for me, regardless of their documented mechanisms. Even things like magnesium, P5P, niacinamide, and aspirin can make me very depressed regardless of the brand or fillers. I think people like you who have very fragile physiologies need to keep things as simple as possible. Things will not effect you like they're "supposed" to, or how they effect most people.

    The only "supplement-like" foods that seem to be helping long-term are coffee and collagen hydrolysate. These, along with Parnate, keep my anxiety very low
     
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