How To Properly Reduce Estradiol?

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Taking supplements should be a last resort. You need to try and look at your diet first. All those vitamins and minerals you are taking should in theory come from diet.
 
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For example "One thing I would mention, Viagra or Cialis has zero effect on me, no matter the dosage or how much time I make sure to avoid food around taking the pills." this one is a classical low E2 symptom.

I wasn't aware it is a classical symptom for low E2.
But the pains and discomfort in the mammary glands are even now as I write.
Last estadiol was normal 25 pg/mL because I went there at a time I had no pains at all those several days, before when I went with chest pains it was 99 pg/mL.
 

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Sorry if this is offtopic, but estradiol is what gives people big [natural] butts right?
 

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Lose bodyfat.
Seriously!
Impossible to have high E2 as lean male without using exogenous steroids.
Get lean as fast as possible, then move back to a sustainable diet. 24-48h fasts then OMAD refead high protein high carb. Rinse and repeat till you lean.

Wrong. I've had elevated E2 while being extremely lean. There's so much bad information on this forum from people speaking in absolutes like this.
 

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I usually did a lot of tests like DHT, T, FREE T, TSH, Progestreone, DHEA-S, Prolactin, SHBG, Androstendion, LH, FSH, Cortisol
Iron was not bad, rather mediocre last time but it is time to test it again.

I will test these: hemoglobin, ferritin and iron and then decide about the Iron supplementation.


See your libido is fine even with high estrogen, I have only tested fro Estradiol, never total estrogens. That being said, libido or erections are definitely good to have, but I am also bothered by mammary glad pains, which I was expecting Retinol Vitamin E, D3 K2 , magnesium, selenium, etc to at least fix those, even if they can't restore erection function and normal flaccid state (without the feeling or constant irritable shrinking)

I would focus diet on reducing prolactin and cortisol. That would be good amount of carbohydrates from starches and sugars for cortisol reduction and then foods high in calcium for prolactin reduction is better. Since calcium lowers PTH and PTH has a relation to prolactin. Just drink pack of milk a day or eat lots of cheese. Also avoid exercise in this state. Focus on regular sleep pattern and coffee in the morning. Aspirin reducin inflammation lowering cortisol, estrogen and serotonin. This type of approach is probably better than just using lots of supplements hoping to become well. You need to rest your body untill you’re hormones are in balance. You could try androsterone from idea labs dc. I’ve used it and did do blood work it almost halved my estrogen. How is your temperature? Cold hands and feet? Fatigue?
 

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Lose bodyfat.
Seriously!
Impossible to have high E2 as lean male without using exogenous steroids.
Get lean as fast as possible, then move back to a sustainable diet. 24-48h fasts then OMAD refead high protein high carb. Rinse and repeat till you lean.

That’s not true. All though lower body fat would result in more T to E ratio. Aromataze is in the fat so fat is sort of control of your % conversion of T to E. Estrogen is what supresses your HPTA much more than testosterone. But if you have high natural T you will most likely have high E or upper side of E on blood test. If you have lots of body fat and have high T that would convert more to E and supress your HPTA to produce less T. I’m low body fat naturally but just because my T level is high above lab reference around 900+ it puts my E also above lab reference. So you can have high E as lean if you have high T. Besides since hes already struggling with high cortisol this type of starvation will just increase cortisol problems further and do more damage.
But yeah body fat is your rate factor for E conversion and E levels is what eventually tells your brain you have enough T. Negatuve feedback loop. If someone had 0 estrogen their brain would just pump out LH all the time. This is why AI like exemestane are so good at raising LH and T levels. All low body fat will do is help you get away with higher T levels before E gets to high to start supressing the HPTA. Which obviously is good.
 
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I would focus diet on reducing prolactin and cortisol. That would be good amount of carbohydrates from starches and sugars for cortisol reduction and then foods high in calcium for prolactin reduction is better. Since calcium lowers PTH and PTH has a relation to prolactin. Just drink pack of milk a day or eat lots of cheese. Also avoid exercise in this state. Focus on regular sleep pattern and coffee in the morning. Aspirin reducin inflammation lowering cortisol, estrogen and serotonin. This type of approach is probably better than just using lots of supplements hoping to become well. You need to rest your body untill you’re hormones are in balance. You could try androsterone from idea labs dc. I’ve used it and did do blood work it almost halved my estrogen. How is your temperature? Cold hands and feet? Fatigue?
Good advice, but he was given most of this (other than the hormones) and said he has it taken care of
 

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@Kunstruct

You complain about what you think is high E2, have written dozens of messages on this thread, tested for dozens of blood values, and yet I don’t see anywhere mentioned actual E2 blood values.

Why?
 

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I have quit supplementing everything the next day, what happened was I got some sort of libido (slight lust, a tiny bit of euphoria) after that and some blood in my penis but still a hard erection could not be achieved, however the next night had a morning wood that was pretty strong.
That wood might have had something to do with the fact I eat a lot of things at a party and had a lot of wisky then I took 500mg tylenol and ginger, some cola.
So it is all quite unclear why that was but I was even drinking which is something I only do occasionally.
During this time the mammary gland pains where still there like when I was taking all the supplementation which seemed to not do anything actually so I was not surprised.

Now yesterday I've had some mussels around 150grams with a bit of butter, a bit olive oil, salt, pepper, and a bit of garlic and spaghetti noodles. After these mussels I started feeling blood getting out of my testicles and penis and getting that irritation feeling slowly in the area, all was shrinking in a rather painful way after I had at least some blood in my penis. This sort of reaction I was having after taking Zinc or many times after Cola or other drinks like Sprite that are carbonated. Now I have never overdosed on zinc and I have never taken Zinc each day but I kept going with it considering that I might
get better, after all on this forum and many others people have had massive good results especially with zinc.

Right now I have no mammary gland pain (I feel like it is an effect of the meal i was mentioning above) and no blood in my penis in flaccid state and can't even get a weak erection. I believe this is Also due to the fact I did some squats with just a bit of weight (100lbs) because quite frankly I don't have the strength anymore for using more weight and it happens that after I do some working out I lose completely the capability to have any blood in my penis and the morning wood and night wood is lost completely for like 3 days at least.
This is pretty much setting up my mind to not really work out, but mostly I don't feel like working out due to major strength loss (this was rather gradual) and very long
recovery times, that is totally opposite of how 3-4 years ago when I was doing squats made sure to boost confidence and assume there was a strong night wood.
 
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I am having massive issues with estradiol or maybe with other estrogens too.
Are you guessing this from symptoms, or have they been measured as high?
Constant nipple irritation, or nipple pain or even very bad nipple pain like stabbing pains.
Just in case it's a local fungal infection, slopping a little vinegar on it once a day for a few days might sort it quite easily and quickly.

So my dies in the last months which is pretty much like before, consists in chicken meat, white rice, pasta, beef, bread, mcdonalds, sweets, cheese, cola, salami.
Very little eggs in the last year, but I am starting to get back to them.
Rarely I eat chicken liver too.
Pretty much no vegetables, just some carrots, some garlic there and there some onion.
Before I had a lot of Sunflower oil back 3-5years ago, now for several months no sunflower oil at all and now I have a bit of coconut oil here and then in a week and a tiny bit of olive oil rarely.
Try eating more fruit and less refined sugar.
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Mineral balance could be an issue. I'd favour seeing if you can get benefit from modifying diet. And maybe some veges, esp. greens. And maybe trade out some of the wheat and rice for tubers.
 
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Are you guessing this from symptoms, or have they been measured as high?

It is measured and then guessing based on the feel and on the values I had measured, I have posted in this thread a couple of measurements and how I felt before seeing the actual numbers.

Just in case it's a local fungal infection, slopping a little vinegar on it once a day for a few days might sort it quite easily and quickly.

Yeah but the the area is puffy and rather growing slowly in volume, I know it is easy to say to someone has made up symptoms in his head but is is hard to not see this matter.
I can use a bit of vinegar, but the soreness is not one the level surface but withing the area inside.




Things are still going lower and lower in androgenic levels with the years with my recent months supplementation but the issues started before any supplementation, these also come with the actual real visible effects, reduced strength slowly, much lower muscle mass, reduced testicle size, reduced semen volume (not completely lacking but much lower than 3-4-5 years ago for example), erections are rare and weak.
Recovery after a work-out takes a major toll on me, leaving me in a sort of castrated state, hardly I can get blood in that area for the next days, this fact was never improved with any supplementation at all I mentioned I took, which is quite strange.
 
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You complain about what you think is high E2, have written dozens of messages on this thread, tested for dozens of blood values, and yet I don’t see anywhere mentioned actual E2 blood values.

Why?

I feel this is a bit condescending?
I have posted some values several posts above your post, you can read it in the second post on the second page of the thread.

Last estadiol was normal 25 pg/mL because I went there at a time I had no pains at all those several days, before when I went with chest pains it was 99 pg/mL.
 
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Wrong. I've had elevated E2 while being extremely lean. There's so much bad information on this forum from people speaking in absolutes like this.


Definitely I was leaner than now with visible abs and Estradiol was measured close to 100pg/mL
I know people much fatter than me who had lower Estradiol at around 30pg/mL and this person was not taking anything at all to lower it or was living in type of diet, just decided with some friends to do some tests since their hobby was lifting heavy weights from time to time.

I could probably get much higher numbers with Estradiol, I could go at noon when usually the chest pains are higher and in a day when the pains are
stabbing pains (this is not everyday) and probably the numbers would reflect the pain and discomfort level.
 
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@Kunstruct hows your temps/pulse? this is the peat forum after all!

Well, my pulse now with a bit of slightly cold hands, my hands can be cooler than they are now, sometimes they are warm surely not all the time.
It is 69 now, Generally it is around that number higher or lower when I measure it, so like 66 or 73.
Temperature I measured 36.2C now with a digital thermometer underarm (precision is claimed to be +/-0.1C, who know in reality), at around afternoon here.
 
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Well, my pulse now with a bit of slightly cold hands, my hands can be cooler than they are now, sometimes they are warm surely not all the time.
It is 69 now, Generally it is around that number higher or lower when I measure it, so like 66 or 73.
Temperature I measured 36.2C now with a digital thermometer underarm (precision is claimed to be +/-0.1C, who know in reality), at around afternoon here.

Well not saying it will be a cure-all or anything like that, but you could start with trying to improve those numbers as the afternoon temp especially is pretty low, can cause many of the symptoms you describe (hypothyroid) temps should be around 37C optimally
 
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Well not saying it will be a cure-all or anything like that, but you could start with trying to improve those numbers as the afternoon temp especially is pretty low, can cause many of the symptoms you describe (hypothyroid) temps should be around 37C optimally

Yeah I gotta do that, raise the temperature a bit.
Now with TSH 1.4 I would think I not hypothyroid, at least not at this point, but I gotta get the T3 T4 also tested along with TSH in some new blood tests.

This morning I had 36.3C temperature and pulse was at 79
This afternoon it was 36.6C
I went to bed the night before with 35.8C
Measured underarm with the same digital thermometer.
 
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