Cirion
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I have basically the same experiences as @DaveFoster. When I ate anything and everything Nathan Hatch style, I often had euphoric states of mind but also got not just fat but obese. It's why I now weigh 280 lbs. I am also having to go down the same path as Dave which is basically a McDougall starch diet (Though I also still have some fruit), virtually zero fat diet and that's the only way to control my weight. I tried T3 for a while but it did exactly two things for me - Jack and Squat. It did not make me feel better nor did it let me eat more without getting fat. In fact in many ways T3 made me feel worse.
Eating dietary fat is just going to make you fat. At least, it did for me. Because I'm hypo, I guess.
@ilikecats I like your contributions to this forum I really do but sometimes man, I think you get a little overly antognistic for no reason. I really don't want to add fuel to the flame, but some of your quotes really bother me sometimes man. I will attempt to be as neutral as possible though.
Again, YEARS of experience on nofap (probably 5 yrs now) and BTW I nofapped when I was in the best health of my life -- not just when unhealthy, so yes, I feel like I have some authority to speak on this matter. In fact, nofap was initially instrumental to gaining my health in the first place! Which is why it's a crucial piece of my strategy. It helped when I was unhealthy, it also helped dramatically when I was healthy. Again, experience trumps "scientific research" and people with Ph.D's. I may not have a Ph.D. but my IQ is actually pretty far above average, so even though I may be unhealthy, I'm not an idiot. I consider myself pretty wise and able to piece things together. Sure I don't know everything, but that's why I am here and learning. I'll grant you I don't have this kind of experience on some of my other theories, but as far as nofap - I consider that a closed/sealed deal. I literally don't need knowledge of physiology to know it helps me. I don't need any evidence except my own experiences. Blindly listening to "evidence" like excess caffeine intake, excess sugar intake, excess T3 intake, excess saturated fat intake, among many others, is in fact what got me unhealthy in the first place! So no, I don't care about "evidence". I share a lot of Dave's sentiments in that regard. I grant you that many theories that I have only a few days or weeks or even months of experience on, aren't solid enough for me to say is a sealed deal, but I consider 5 yrs a very long time in comparison. True I may not currently be in my optimal state of mind, but I've always considered myself wise and btw I still managed a 4.0 in undergrad school (mechanical engineering) at the unhealthiest in my life. So even at my worst, I have pretty good mind power. I'm definitely excited for what I'll accomplish in life when I actually feel good =)
Yeah that's only a short term study and I'm actually not surprised. I'm more interested in long term studies. There have never been long-term studies on nofap and no I don't count the 7 day study as long term, I'd be more interested in something like a 7 month study. Also there seems to be no mention of studies of the effect of full PMO. The most damaging effects of PMO is the "O" aspect of it. Too many confounding factors, so this is not at all a conclusive study. I'm 100% confident that nofap is the answer but I'd still be curious to see studies proving my experiences. In the spirit of being truly unbiased though I did hear an anecdote one time about a guy who doubled his testosterone levels to almost steroid levels after visiting Thailand I believe it was and messing around with a ton of hot hookers. I need more stories like that to be more conclusive, but my working theory is that having sex with a lot of different hot women (not porn) probably boosts testosterone but that too much sex with the same woman (Unless its karezza) reduces androgens -- Which is why men often stray because they get "Bored". Karezza is the only way to avoid the inevitable "Boredom" unless avoiding monogamy is your goal. There are many theories, but a simple theory is that the guy boosted his T levels astronomically because having sex with a new hot woman really primes the "animal mind" in a man to feel like he is "winning" at life. Winning has been proven to drastically increase testosterone levels. Being with the same woman doesn't activate the "winning" pathway though.
I will say though that I have come to realize we as humans are nothing but a collection of experiences. Our realities and beliefs are mostly shaped by our experiences. What I've experienced is different from you, therefore we fundamentally have different belief systems. As such it is "reality and truth for me", but because I admit human physiology can be complex, may not be "reality and truth for you", necessarily (I think it is, but whatever).
Eating dietary fat is just going to make you fat. At least, it did for me. Because I'm hypo, I guess.
@ilikecats I like your contributions to this forum I really do but sometimes man, I think you get a little overly antognistic for no reason. I really don't want to add fuel to the flame, but some of your quotes really bother me sometimes man. I will attempt to be as neutral as possible though.
Who's the one discrediting peoples experience? Tarmander made a sweeping definitive statement implying that touching yourself will lead to a loss of a desire to improve ones life and that it directly harms you by generating "comfort". You then went from "this is my experience" to "the science says that jerking it greatly increases prolactin and estrogen there by harming the organism. You shouldn't do it." without any evidence to back this up. So that's one of my problems with your position. But even if you did just say, "hey this is my just me personal experience" I'd still say that the placebo effect is still a valid POSSIBILITY to bring up and exploring why this might produce a placebo effect for you might be worth while (your christian upbringing might give some possible answers). But normally I wouldn't bring that up but you being snarky and then making made up statements about the effects of masturbation on human physiology kind of warrant it. I personally don't think you really have the mental faculties (at the time being) to properly assess your own experience and you've proven this quite a few times on this forum. As for the "appeal to an authority", sure you can label it that way to try to make a dig on me but I think it's good to get input on this from someone who actually understands human physiology on a deep level instead of just listening to your opinion based off your very limited knowledge of human physiology. It would seem to me to be a good idea to add it in as PART of an intelligent approach to answering this question. PART of a valid problem solving methodology.
Again, YEARS of experience on nofap (probably 5 yrs now) and BTW I nofapped when I was in the best health of my life -- not just when unhealthy, so yes, I feel like I have some authority to speak on this matter. In fact, nofap was initially instrumental to gaining my health in the first place! Which is why it's a crucial piece of my strategy. It helped when I was unhealthy, it also helped dramatically when I was healthy. Again, experience trumps "scientific research" and people with Ph.D's. I may not have a Ph.D. but my IQ is actually pretty far above average, so even though I may be unhealthy, I'm not an idiot. I consider myself pretty wise and able to piece things together. Sure I don't know everything, but that's why I am here and learning. I'll grant you I don't have this kind of experience on some of my other theories, but as far as nofap - I consider that a closed/sealed deal. I literally don't need knowledge of physiology to know it helps me. I don't need any evidence except my own experiences. Blindly listening to "evidence" like excess caffeine intake, excess sugar intake, excess T3 intake, excess saturated fat intake, among many others, is in fact what got me unhealthy in the first place! So no, I don't care about "evidence". I share a lot of Dave's sentiments in that regard. I grant you that many theories that I have only a few days or weeks or even months of experience on, aren't solid enough for me to say is a sealed deal, but I consider 5 yrs a very long time in comparison. True I may not currently be in my optimal state of mind, but I've always considered myself wise and btw I still managed a 4.0 in undergrad school (mechanical engineering) at the unhealthiest in my life. So even at my worst, I have pretty good mind power. I'm definitely excited for what I'll accomplish in life when I actually feel good =)
"Plasma testosterone was measured every 15 min for 3 1/2 hr in eight male subjects before, during, and after the showing of a sexually explicit movie. There was an average increase of 35% in testosterone. The maximum concentration was observed 60–90 min after the end of the film. No increase was found in eight control subjects who saw a sexually neutral film."
Yeah that's only a short term study and I'm actually not surprised. I'm more interested in long term studies. There have never been long-term studies on nofap and no I don't count the 7 day study as long term, I'd be more interested in something like a 7 month study. Also there seems to be no mention of studies of the effect of full PMO. The most damaging effects of PMO is the "O" aspect of it. Too many confounding factors, so this is not at all a conclusive study. I'm 100% confident that nofap is the answer but I'd still be curious to see studies proving my experiences. In the spirit of being truly unbiased though I did hear an anecdote one time about a guy who doubled his testosterone levels to almost steroid levels after visiting Thailand I believe it was and messing around with a ton of hot hookers. I need more stories like that to be more conclusive, but my working theory is that having sex with a lot of different hot women (not porn) probably boosts testosterone but that too much sex with the same woman (Unless its karezza) reduces androgens -- Which is why men often stray because they get "Bored". Karezza is the only way to avoid the inevitable "Boredom" unless avoiding monogamy is your goal. There are many theories, but a simple theory is that the guy boosted his T levels astronomically because having sex with a new hot woman really primes the "animal mind" in a man to feel like he is "winning" at life. Winning has been proven to drastically increase testosterone levels. Being with the same woman doesn't activate the "winning" pathway though.
I will say though that I have come to realize we as humans are nothing but a collection of experiences. Our realities and beliefs are mostly shaped by our experiences. What I've experienced is different from you, therefore we fundamentally have different belief systems. As such it is "reality and truth for me", but because I admit human physiology can be complex, may not be "reality and truth for you", necessarily (I think it is, but whatever).
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