How Many Fruits Is Too Much? Today I Ate 14 Apples And 1 Pear

Discussion in 'Fruits' started by jet9, Apr 30, 2018.

  1. OP
    jet9

    jet9 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2018
    Messages:
    250
    Gender:
    Male
    UPDATE:

    Yesterday my diet was something like this:
    breakfast(8am) chicken, liver, romaine 4 apples + pear, salt
    lunch(1pm) lamb, chicken, 7 apples, salt
    snack(4pm) 3 apples
    dinner(7pm) cooked vegies, fish

    Had energy all day, without my usual 6pm/7pm starch i did not get tired and was productive in the evening, however as usual when i remove starch from diet i have:
    1 poor sleep, today woke up at 3:30pm. 2 my thyroid hurts, kind of nagging feeling.
    1 and 2 always happen when i decide to remove starch from diet and go low carb, but now i am not low carb - 14 apples + 1 pear :) still can't sleep without starch.

    when i add starch however i tend to be useless after starch meal(after 6pm) and wake up a little foggy.
     
  2. OP
    jet9

    jet9 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2018
    Messages:
    250
    Gender:
    Male
    Guys, thank you for all your suggestions and comments, here are some answers:
    ok, but i will try to cook fruits and see if i will do better.
    i did not eat all of them in our seating. In one sitting maximum 6-7 :) Rest spread out during the day.
    I checked blood sugar 1 hour after snack(3 apples) and today first thing in the morning, both readings 85.

    As i told i feel pretty good, the only problem(as with my all starch free experiments) - i won't sleep properly and within couple of days i will crush because of lack of proper sleep.
     
  3. Jennifer

    Jennifer Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    1,911
    @jet9 – Have tried saving your more concentrated sources of protein for breakfast and lunch, and keeping your dinner more carb and fat based? Your evening meal seems to be more on the low carb and high protein side which if you struggle to keep liver glycogen stores filled, may be causing you to run out during the night when you're fasting, releasing stress hormones to raise your sugars and causing you to wake. I finally eliminated the 3-4am wakings by saving the denser protein for earlier in the day, and having fat with my fruit at night helps to ground me. Without it, I tend to have too much energy come bedtime, especially during the warmer months where I'm getting lots of sun.
     
  4. OP
    jet9

    jet9 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2018
    Messages:
    250
    Gender:
    Male
    Jennifer, thank you for your reply.
    I already learnt that protein at night = too much energy, so protein serving at night is smallish piece of fish. And morning/lunch ones - are pretty big.
    But i think you are right on fat. I will try to add fat to evening meal. What fat sources do you use?
     
  5. Jennifer

    Jennifer Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    1,911
    @jet9 – You're welcome! :) My main sources of fat are coconut, avocado and olives, but that's mainly because I'm vegan and stick to whole foods. If you tolerate butter or ghee, I think that's a fine source of fat. I know some on here mention good results with cocoa butter, as well.
     
  6. Aymen

    Aymen Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    Messages:
    370
    Gender:
    Male
    So apples are better cooked ?
     
  7. Aymen

    Aymen Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    Messages:
    370
    Gender:
    Male
    so eating 40 fruits a day will not make a spike of insulin as eating meat or potatoes . . but will eating those huge amount of fructose a day cause fatty liver disease ?
     
  8. Aymen

    Aymen Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    Messages:
    370
    Gender:
    Male
    i always cook bananas even with the peel ^^
     
  9. Koveras

    Koveras Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2015
    Messages:
    719
    Gender:
    Male
    Would disagree with respect to the leptin - seems to be dependant on liver glycogen so fructose should be particularly effective in that regard

    Perry, R. J., Y. Wang, G. W. Cline, A. Rabin-Court, J. D. Song, S. Dufour, X. M. Zhang, K. F. Petersen, and G. I. Shulman. "Leptin Mediates a Glucose-Fatty Acid Cycle to Maintain Glucose Homeostasis in Starvation." Cell 172, no. 1-2 (Jan 11 2018): 234-48 e17. <<< article

    Bradley, C. A. "Metabolism: Leptin's Role in Starvation." Nat Rev Endocrinol 14, no. 3 (Mar 2018): 129. <<< brief commentary
     
  10. GAF

    GAF Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2014
    Messages:
    569
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    CPA
    Location:
    Dallas Texas
    Fruit is not like Chips. You CAN only eat just one and you don't eat the whole bushel just because the game is on.
     
  11. Travis

    Travis Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2016
    Messages:
    3,189
    Gender:
    Male
    I don't think so. While true that quite a bit of fructose is converted into fatty acids, you wouldn't be eating practically any fat on an all-apple diet. I think fructose fearmongering is made primarily by those trying to exonerate other foods, shifting the spotlight to anything they can think of. But just remember: Gluten-containing cheeseburgers—those also having sodium aluminum phosphate in the processed cheese—with french fries fried in soybean oil is never the problem, not at all, it's just that people 'don't exercise' and drink fructose (frucose, FFS!).

    Primates consume a good deal of fruit and appear healthier than most humans. Humans that consume a good deal of fruit often appear likewise.
    Glucose has it's own structural purpose: The extracellular space is contains a good deal of polysaccharides and these are formed from glucose: hyaluronic acid, chondriotin sulfate, and glycogen all are extracellular glucose—or N-acetylglucose—polymers. To counter Lustig-style fearmongering with a bit of my own, I propose that high glucose consumption will inflate glycogen storage spaces throughout the entire body; these spaces are intramuscular and extracellular, and could promote that sort-of fluffy and swollen look characteristic of mass starch-eaters (but this isn't all that bad, really, as it tends to promote that round Asian look after a few generations).
     
  12. lollipop

    lollipop Guest

    Truth.
     
  13. Jennifer

    Jennifer Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    1,911
    Yeah, that!

    Whenever I see debates over whether or not whole foods like fruit, broccoli, kale, spinach ect. are bad for us, I think of this morbidly obese monkey who got that way by gorging on junk food left behind by tourists and it helps put things into perspective for me. Here's a primate who, like us, suffered the same fate we do not from eating fruits and veggies but from eating junk.

    Morbidly obese monkey put on strict no-junk-food diet
     
  14. Aymen

    Aymen Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    Messages:
    370
    Gender:
    Male
    yes
     
  15. Birdie

    Birdie Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    1,859
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    USA
    Thanks for this. I listened to that interview often when I first started this venture. Really love that one. Now, thanks to you, I just sent it to a few family members who are just starting Peat. Thanks again.
     
  16. Birdie

    Birdie Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2012
    Messages:
    1,859
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    USA
    I have a lot of trouble sticking to the tropical fruits that Ray says are safest to eat. My solution to that has been to eat mostly the ones he recommends and to have some others with that. Others being mango, banana, pineapple. That's how I approach it. Then we get variety and get to eat them all! Glad he recommends grapes. Unfortunately, I have to limit grapes, but again, I still eat them but mixed with other fruits.
     
  17. Jennifer

    Jennifer Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    1,911
    You're welcome, Birdie! :):
     
  18. Bernio

    Bernio New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2019
    Messages:
    1
    Gender:
    Female
    I don't think that too much is applicable to fruits and vegetables in general. If you feel yourself good same day and day after than no issues.
     
  19. Light

    Light Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2018
    Messages:
    250
    Gender:
    Female
    Remembered this from my vegan days:

    Can You Eat Too Much Fruit? | NutritionFacts.org

    "Seventeen people were made to eat 20 servings a day of fruit.
    Despite the extraordinarily high fructose content of this diet, presumably about 200 g/d—eight cans of soda worth,
    the investigators reported no adverse effects (and possible benefit actually) for body weight, blood pressure,
    and insulin and lipid levels after three to six months
    .

    More recently, Jenkins and colleagues put people on about a 20 servings of fruit a day diet for a few weeks
    and found no adverse effects on weight or blood pressure or triglycerides,
    and an astounding 38 point drop in LDL cholesterol.
    "
     
Loading...