How high can you push the calcium:phosphorus ratio

[Dr. B]

The 5:1 ratio is not optium for bone health.

Effects of Excessive Dietary Phosphorus Intake on Bone Health

The purpose of this review is to provide an overview of dietary phosphorus, its sources, recommended intakes, and its absorption and metabolism in health and in chronic kidney disease, and to discuss recent findings in this area with a focus on the effects ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This reference made it clear to me that the calcium to phosphorous ratio of 1:1 that is discussed on this forum is a molar ratio. For a gram ratio that would be calcium to phosphorous ratio of 1.3 :1 or slightly above. The 5:1 ratio seems to be excessive in the long term.

apparently bones can be made of calcium carbonate? Ray said young bones are carbonate, and with aging and poor diet more of the calcium is replaced with phosphorus

Minus what the weirdo posted above, is that kind of ratio even possible? Seems like everything has phosphate in it.

maybe with vitamin d3? vitamin d3 could alter the ratio even if you're intaking 1:1 calcium to phosphate?

 

[sun-maid]

The 5:1 ratio is not optium for bone health.

Effects of Excessive Dietary Phosphorus Intake on Bone Health

The purpose of this review is to provide an overview of dietary phosphorus, its sources, recommended intakes, and its absorption and metabolism in health and in chronic kidney disease, and to discuss recent findings in this area with a focus on the effects ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This reference made it clear to me that the calcium to phosphorous ratio of 1:1 that is discussed on this forum is a molar ratio. For a gram ratio that would be calcium to phosphorous ratio of 1.3 :1 or slightly above. The 5:1 ratio seems to be excessive in the long term.

I just want to build the strongest bones possible. So K2 + D (sunlight) and a bunch a calcium. Technically, you can't do much more without hormone or other things I think.

 

[amd]

Is easy to become overloaded with calcium in comparison to magnesium. Is not easy to keep the ratios when indulging on one thing to fix another. Something to keep in mind.

 

[baccheion]

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Because of eggs. May even need more calcium to ensure net alkaline PRAL score.

doesnt D3 increase calcium?
i thought A increases absorption of potassium, magnesium and phosphorus whereas D3 boosts sodium and calcium... those things oppose each other. phosphorus/magnesium oppose calcium and potassium/sodium oppose each other. it wouldnt make sense for A to boost all those

Yes, so less is needed in ratio with phosphorus.

Where have you seen D3 increases sodium?

I looked at a chart. More vitamin D3 increases need for phosphorus and potassium (A, B2, B3, K2, zinc, and magnesium). More A increases need for calcium and sodium (B1, B3, B6, B10, B12, D3, E, copper, and selenium).

 

[golder]

I just want to build the strongest bones possible. So K2 + D (sunlight) and a bunch a calcium. Technically, you can't do much more without hormone or other things I think.

Which hormones (exotic or otherwise) are you referring to here that would help with bone strength?

 

[sun-maid]

Which hormones (exotic or otherwise) are you referring to here that would help with bone strength?

I think anti-serotonin chemical are very anabolic for the bones. Maybe @haidut can comment

 

[Dr. B]

Because of eggs. May even need more calcium to ensure net alkaline PRAL score.

Yes, so less is needed in ratio with phosphorus.

Where have you seen D3 increases sodium?

I looked at a chart. More vitamin D3 increases need for phosphorus and potassium (A, B2, B3, K2, zinc, and magnesium). More A increases need for calcium and sodium (B1, B3, B6, B10, B12, D3, E, copper, and selenium).

whered you get that chart mate?
i cant find the details now, dont know where i read it but it may be on a health related website.
D3 increases need for phosphorus, potassium, as well as those other things you mentioned like zinc magnesium k2, b3 and b2?

and A increases need for calcium, sodium, b1, b3, b6, b10, b12, d3 and E?

E is probably to prevent oxidation of the A, thats interesting.
what is B10 considered?

how do we balance all this?
Simply A and D alone should be able to balance each other out right?

 

[gaze]

Maybe it was Frank Tufano’s San Pellegrino water?

too little calcium. jesus only bought gerolsteiner. either that or he supplemented calcium citrate in 3 200mg intervals to maximize absorption.

 

[baccheion]

whered you get that chart mate?
i cant find the details now, dont know where i read it but it may be on a health related website.
D3 increases need for phosphorus, potassium, as well as those other things you mentioned like zinc magnesium k2, b3 and b2?

and A increases need for calcium, sodium, b1, b3, b6, b10, b12, d3 and E?

E is probably to prevent oxidation of the A, thats interesting.
what is B10 considered?

how do we balance all this?
Simply A and D alone should be able to balance each other out right?

It's not that serious. Just mentioning the associations. Vitamin C is best for protecting high amounts of vitamin A according to one study. ~1g worked much better than 400 IU vitamin E protecting 10s of thousands of IUs.

 

[Dr. B]

It's not that serious. Just mentioning the associations. Vitamin C is best for protecting high amounts of vitamin A according to one study. ~1g worked much better than 400 IU vitamin E protecting 10s of thousands of IUs.

how valuable do you think vitamin C is for supplementing.
and which brands are good ive heard serious issues like vitamin C being allergenic, sourced from mold/fungus. do you prefer Quali C or what kind of vitamin C.

 

[baccheion]

how valuable do you think vitamin C is for supplementing.
and which brands are good ive heard serious issues like vitamin C being allergenic, sourced from mold/fungus. do you prefer Quali C or what kind of vitamin C.

Unsure why you'd take that much vitamin A.

8 cups orange juice has 1g vitamin C.

1 : 2 : 4 egg : orange juice : 1% milk. Repeat as needed throughout day. If needing more salt, add 1 ounce liver. Full Peat mode.

 

[Dr. B]

Unsure why you'd take that much vitamin A.

8 cups orange juice has 1g vitamin C.

1 : 2 : 4 egg : orange juice : 1% milk. Repeat as needed throughout day. If needing more salt, add 1 ounce liver. Full Peat mode.

what do you mean? i was asking about vitamin C
why so many eggs and OJ?\
1% milk has added vitamin issues what if you use whole milk, A2, jersey cow, 100% grass fed etc

 

[baccheion]

what do you mean? i was asking about vitamin C
why so many eggs and OJ?\
1% milk has added vitamin issues what if you use whole milk, A2, jersey cow, 100% grass fed etc

Unsure why you'd take enough vitamin A to need the higher amount of vitamin C.

 

[Dr. B]

Unsure why you'd take enough vitamin A to need the higher amount of vitamin C.

just as a general thing. not just for vitamin A, was wondering if C is worth supplementing for thyroid/metabolic health or if it depletes copper too much. and the A would just be from like an ounce liver a day and from milk but idk of the C content in those things

 

[PaRa]

Calcium higher than 1g a day messes too much with the other minerals IMO

 

[baccheion]

just as a general thing. not just for vitamin A, was wondering if C is worth supplementing for thyroid/metabolic health or if it depletes copper too much. and the A would just be from like an ounce liver a day and from milk but idk of the C content in those things

Dunno..

 

[golder]

Calcium higher than 1g a day messes too much with the other minerals IMO

Interesting, what are the most important minerals to look out for with high calcium absorption?

 

[PaRa]

Interesting, what are the most important minerals to look out for with high calcium absorption?

iron, magnesium and zinc mostly

 

[golder]

iron, magnesium and zinc mostly

We all get too much iron anyway no? Also zinc is usually very high for us folk that eat meat and shellfish? Guessing it’s wise to just to up the magnesium when increasing the calcium?

 

[PaRa]

We all get too much iron anyway no? Also zinc is usually very high for us folk that eat meat and shellfish? Guessing it’s wise to just to up the magnesium when increasing the calcium?

Maybe if you’re in the USA and pounding tons of iron fortified foods ED, if you’re not in the USA so you may not be iron overloaded (unless genetics)

zinc isn’t « very high » too unless you eat like 500g beef a day or oysters ED