Higher Testosterone Levels Are Associated With Unfaithful Behavior In Men

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Testosterone takes away the fear of consequences, but cortisol is the driving factor.
 

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What about the desire to spread the seed with multiple women for more gene spreading
 

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Conclusion
Unfaithful behavior in males is associated with higher testosterone levels.”


Higher testosterone levels are associated with unfaithful behavior in men - ScienceDirect

Did you read and review the full study? What you posted describes very little, and doesn't even justify the title of this thread. Even looking at the Methods and Results from the Abstract should make you question whether this study can truly draw a link between infidelity and testosterone (or any other hormone)

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A sample of 224 middle-aged self-reporting healthy men being currently in a relationship completed questionnaires on relationship characteristics, infidelity, and provided overnight-fasting saliva samples for testosterone quantification.

Results
In the sample, 37.5% men answered having been unfaithful in the current relationship, while 29% were identified as fulfilling criteria for a sexual dysfunction. Adjusting for covariates, a significant positive association for the frequency of unfaithful behavior and testosterone levels emerged. Subsample analysis indicates a positive association between testosterone and infidelity only to be present in men without sexual dysfunction."

So, some men filled out some forms and gave a single saliva sample. Not exactly "rigorous" research.

Then, the researchers shift from using the term "infidelity" and switch to the terms "unfaithful" or "unfaithful behavior" in the conclusion and title. So, how do they define what these terms mean? Is "unfaithful behavior" looking at other women? Fantasizing about other women? Giving another woman a hug? Or is it defined the same as "infidelity?"

Without knowing these definitions and the questions asked, you really can't draw any sort of conclusions. Add in the fact that we have no idea if the men were truthful, or even understood what the researchers were asking on the questionaires, and then adding in the fact that the researchers changed their data to fit their pre-conceived conclusions (which they tell us with the phrase "adjusting for covariates"), this study is worthless.
 

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Did you read and review the full study? What you posted describes very little, and doesn't even justify the title of this thread. Even looking at the Methods and Results from the Abstract should make you question whether this study can truly draw a link between infidelity and testosterone (or any other hormone)

"Methods
A sample of 224 middle-aged self-reporting healthy men being currently in a relationship completed questionnaires on relationship characteristics, infidelity, and provided overnight-fasting saliva samples for testosterone quantification.

Results
In the sample, 37.5% men answered having been unfaithful in the current relationship, while 29% were identified as fulfilling criteria for a sexual dysfunction. Adjusting for covariates, a significant positive association for the frequency of unfaithful behavior and testosterone levels emerged. Subsample analysis indicates a positive association between testosterone and infidelity only to be present in men without sexual dysfunction."

So, some men filled out some forms and gave a single saliva sample. Not exactly "rigorous" research.

Then, the researchers shift from using the term "infidelity" and switch to the terms "unfaithful" or "unfaithful behavior" in the conclusion and title. So, how do they define what these terms mean? Is "unfaithful behavior" looking at other women? Fantasizing about other women? Giving another woman a hug? Or is it defined the same as "infidelity?"

Without knowing these definitions and the questions asked, you really can't draw any sort of conclusions. Add in the fact that we have no idea if the men were truthful, or even understood what the researchers were asking on the questionaires, and then adding in the fact that the researchers changed their data to fit their pre-conceived conclusions (which they tell us with the phrase "adjusting for covariates"), this study is worthless.
Infidelity is defined in the relationship, so it can not be defined by the researchers. If, say, having sex with prostitutes is accepted in the relationship, it is not infidelity, while kissing a random woman might be.

Self-reporting is the only way to study the topic, so that is an inherent limitation that must be accepted.
 

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That could just be about the ability to cheat. Unless you pay, most men have hard time getting laid.
Firstly this, and on the flip side: if you have low testosterone, you have low sex drive, and therefore no drive to be unfaithul.
 

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In my personal experience, having high androgens simply amplifies your personality and brings it out fully. For some, this results in them simply acting on their desires which they could not before which may include things like being unfaithful, but for others, if they were genuinely a good person, it tends to make them more of one.
 

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"unfaithful" is a man-made term, it's really simply high testosterone equals higher sexual drive as the organism is in the state to reproduce.
 

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from what I have found.....increased androgens leads to more attraction from the opposite sex. Since I started working out and really following Peat/@haidut/roddy/@Hans suggestions, I don't really need to apply myself anymore. Women come to me.

Not trying to sound ego-istic here.... If I was in a relationship, it would sure make it harder for me to be faithful (completely excluding the emotional aspect which is a huge part of any relationship).. I'm speaking from a single, 30 year old male perspective though....
 

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from what I have found.....increased androgens leads to more attraction from the opposite sex. Since I started working out and really following Peat/@haidut/roddy/@Hans suggestions, I don't really need to apply myself anymore. Women come to me.

Not trying to sound ego-istic here.... If I was in a relationship, it would sure make it harder for me to be faithful (completely excluding the emotional aspect which is a huge part of any relationship).. I'm speaking from a single, 30 year old male perspective though....

Yeah when I was healthy I kind of started to notice the same.

Also, there's a thing called the Coolidge effect that really gets you. Humans weren't really designed biologically to be monogamous. Famous, powerful men back in the day (1000,2000+ yr ago) such as kings used to have hundreds or even thousands of wives. Monogamy is a recent social construct.

I think the only way to avoid the Coolidge effect is to practice karezza, which I plan to do in my next relationship. However, this only retains your physical attraction to your current partner, and doesn't make the physical attraction for other partners go away. So, it makes it easier to be faithful, but the risk still exists.
 

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Its funny how men who LOVE having multiple partners are called unfaithful when in fact they are anything but faithful. Here’s a nice sotry to consider. Almost all my grandfathers married more than one woman. Last time I checked their wives and sons had not only a roof atop them but an elegant roof top. Summer and winter vacations. No shortage of resources because my grandfathers made damn sure there wont be any. In my not so humble opinion, this is faithfulness x1000. Btw, they didnt **** whores or prostitutes back then for reasons that have nothing to do with this post. If they liked a woman they’d marry her. Now if you ask their wives wether or not their husbands, my grandfathers, were faithful or not I’d bet you’ll get some ****88 up answers about faithfulness or maybe the truth, who knows? In my experience, women in general tend to have shity personality charactaristis, they aggress then play victim, they swear they’re telling the truth so you believe their lies - they’re liars, they pretend not to want someone/something but in fact they want that someone or something. - This woman rant is for context and prespective only lol. So back to what I was saying, you might get the truth(rarely) or ****88 up selfish lies. Anyhow, the fact remains as follwos: if a man is providing a lot more than bare minimum fo 3-4 women and his children from these women then this is the epitomy of faithfulness on his part. A man as such is a great man and a great father as marriage to 3-4 women and raising a dozen or probably more is not for the weak hearted.
 

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Yeah when I was healthy I kind of started to notice the same.

Also, there's a thing called the Coolidge effect that really gets you. Humans weren't really designed biologically to be monogamous. Famous, powerful men back in the day (1000,2000+ yr ago) such as kings used to have hundreds or even thousands of wives. Monogamy is a recent social construct.

I think the only way to avoid the Coolidge effect is to practice karezza, which I plan to do in my next relationship. However, this only retains your physical attraction to your current partner, and doesn't make the physical attraction for other partners go away. So, it makes it easier to be faithful, but the risk still exists.

In Abrahamic religions marriage to multiple women is allowed.
 

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Also, there's a thing called the Coolidge effect that really gets you. Humans weren't really designed biologically to be monogamous. Famous, powerful men back in the day (1000,2000+ yr ago) such as kings used to have hundreds or even thousands of wives. Monogamy is a recent social construct.

That shows how weak and degenerated humanity has become because that much sex would probably literally kill the average guy today.
 

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Men's drive is to have as much sex with as many different women as possible. Testosterone certainly plays a role in this, and the fact that men's levels of testosterone are something like 17-20x the amount a woman has also explains our much more frequent sexual impulses that also don't require "warming up."

Just because this isn't an option for 99% of men doesn't mean that the impulse isn't there. The male imperative is to spread their seed as far and wide as possible. Men who don't use porn, or don't masturbate regularly, are the exception, not the rule. And the vast majority of men just accept porn/masturbation as their fate; this doesn't mean that, if given the choice, they wouldn't have sex every single time instead.

Cortisol may encourage "cheating," but who's to say that the cortisol isn't a result of men trying to constantly suppress/repress an innate, powerful part of their biology? The constant stress of feeling guilt/shame for desiring other women as your body continues to produce massive amounts of sperm on a daily basis, meant for impregnating as many different women as possible?

Guinea pig harem says 'hello Sooty'

Sooty. A true Casanova Hero. 24 females in one night. Lmao. That's my boy!

@Momado965

Too bad polygamy is written off in western society. Labeled as completely "misogynistic." People completely overlook the fact that traditionally, the man was expected to provide and care for all of his wives. It isn't a brutal and oppressive relationship as people like to believe.

I've simply accepted that polygamy is not a part of this culture, and likely never will be. People just don't accept it, to their own detriment. The only other option is to stay single and make it clear that you don't want to be monogamous because you have no intention of limiting yourself to one partner. Or accept monogamy with the full knowledge that it isn't natural -- particularly for a man.

I think women being monogamous to a man is much more natural than the other way around. Polygamy makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. Women have no seed to spread. They require aid and resources and provisioning. Men are the ones who provide it, and they do have a seed to spread. If a woman is getting protection and provisioning and a high quality "seed" from a man, there is no reason for her to be unfaithful.

The man's reason to be unfaithful is that he makes sperm on a daily basis and by impregnating more women he increases his genetic legacy.

Women want the best quality seed they can get. Their investment in sex is far, FAR greater than a man's, as they'll be stuck 9 months carrying a baby and then burdened with birthing it and raising it thereafter, which traditionally requires the assistance of a man for protection/provisioning.

Women sharing a high value man: everyone wins. They get the high quality "seed," and he gets to spread his seed as far as he can. They get the security/provisioning and parental investment as well. Women do not lose out on anything if the man has sex with other women, as long as his investment in her and provisioning for her is constant.

Men lose out on a lot when women cheat: certainty about their Paternity. The ultimate loss for a man, sexually, would be unknowingly raising the progeny of another man. This is simply not a reality the other way around. Women being unfaithful to a man who is provisioning for her is far, FAR more threatening to a man, than a man being unfaithful to a woman. The biggest threat in that case would be him withdrawing his provisioning from one woman and giving it to another....a situation that is entirely avoided in polygamy, where it's accepted that there's more than enough provisioning to go around, and withdrawing it from one woman just to be with another is not necessary.

From a purely evolutionary perspective, it makes a lot of sense. But most people will be totally disgusted/repulsed by this idea.

....and yet, those same people will continue to masturbate/use porn/cheat/lie in some capacity. Cuckoldry also is likely much more common in this case; women going for the high quality "seed" while finding another guy to raise the baby after the fact. In polygamy that is mostly avoided, as the high value man who has multiple wives has already proven his quality. I think it's fair to say that, in general, women want men who other women want.

Anyway, it's all just conjecture. Things are not changing in the west any time soon, if ever.

Best we can do as men is be aware of our own sexual imperative, and not lie to ourselves. When you're single is the best time to get in touch with yourself as a man and really understand who you are. Once you're in the influence of a monogamous relationship, true, clear self-perspective can be harder to maintain.

Interesting about your relatives! And it's good to hear. I'm sorry for the stupidity you've suffered from other people who don't understand.
 

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Thats a psychopathic man lol not simply a man ;)

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Testosterone is GABAergic like for example alcohol. People will cheat when they are unhappy in their relationship (high stress/high cortisol) and have no fear (e.g. high androgens/alcohol). That has nothing to do with psychopathy.
 

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