High Testosterone, But No Traits

[rr1]

Hi All,

I've somewhat recently discovered this forum and have been reading every night since I found it.
In my quest to optimal health and well being, I decided I would post my first thread.

I'm 24 years old, male. I recently got blood tests from doctor for general checkup, and my testosterone level was ~1150 ng/dL, which he said was actually outside of the normal range for a male (higher).

Problem is, I don't have many traits of what someone I'd imagine with high T would have. I am not hairy, I cant even grow a full beard at 24. Also my voice isn't very low, a lot higher pitch than most people I know to be honest. Finally, my sex drive isn't over the top, it just seems very standard, maybe even on the lower side.

Does anyone know why this could be? I didn't check estrogen, but my prolactin was well within the healthy range for a male, so im assuming estrogen would be fine.

Any advice or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

 

[Spartan300]

Hi @dylanrr1 and welcome.

How is your sleep? I'm similar to you in many ways only a bit older.

Are you stressed? I think my issues relate to stress hormones, cortisol/adrenalin etc coupled with overtraining, undereating and years of pufa consumption. You may learn lessons at the right time and fix things more quickly. Good luck

 

[GreekDemiGod]

This is an interesting thread. I'm curios if you had low exposure to testosterone during childhood / puberty / adolescence.
It's also interesting as to why your sex drive isn't high with over 1000 ng/dL

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Are you stressed? I think my issues relate to stress hormones, cortisol/adrenalin etc coupled with overtraining, undereating and years of pufa consumption. You may learn lessons at the right time and fix things more quickly. Good luck

• overtraining: YES
• undereating : YES until I was 25, but not since I started lifting, except a few months of lowcarb dieting
  
• PUFA consumption: YES
• I have suffered from emotional stress, loneliness, much less from physical stress or what regular people think of the word.

 

[Kunstruct]

It has been said many times that Testerosterone isn't as androgenic as Dihydrotestosterone which is the one that in puberty is supposedly the one creating the masculine features.
With such hi testosterone I would be surprised your Estradiol is low, and even if it is low I would doubt was that low before years ago.

Maybe you can test both Estradiol and Dihydrotestosterone.
Many would want such high Testosterone value for muscle building, I do not believe it is such a over the top value. Maybe very high T people have around that number 1100.

 

[Kunstruct]

It's also interesting as to why your sex drive isn't high with over 1000 ng/dL

I have seen it before on forums even here and onther forums with even higher Testosterone.

 

[Kunstruct]

and years of pufa consumption.

This is exaggerated, PUFA is not the answer to any problem in this world. If someone comes on the forums and says 250ng/dl Testosterone the same PUFA is claimed to be the issue, claiming PUFA keeps Testosterone to the bottom of the barrel, people go off the PUFA and never even go past 500 ng/dl no matter how much they try and keep on stressing about PUFA. Here the Testosterone is already very high, not that is a problem like the doctors like to scare people off.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

@Kunstruct There is certainly the possibility of having or reaching very high T levels and/or libido with or without PUFA. At least in the short term.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

It has been said many times that Testerosterone isn't as androgenic as Dihydrotestosterone which is the one that in puberty is supposedly the one creating the masculine features.

You think I'd benefit from high DHT if I'm in my late 20s already?
Maybe I should test my DHT levels, might be the missing puzzle.

 

[Kunstruct]

You think I'd benefit from high DHT if I'm in my late 20s already?
Maybe I should test my DHT levels, might be the missing puzzle.

That you need to test out and see it for yourself, how much DHT you have and if you increase it just a bit if you feel way better.
As you know it matters a lot personal experience, some people say their libido goes very high with 1-2 grams of Aspirin, others lose their libido completely with only 0.5grams . So it is not a one-size fits everyone.

 

[Spartan300]

My symptoms are similar to the OP, I have high T, Dht and DHEA yet have poor sleep and libido.

My waking temps are low 36 - 36.3, and have cold hands etc suggesting thyroid issues.

Whether any of it is PUFA related is up for debate. Bottom line is that I've not yet managed to fix it and I've tried the majority of what is recommended here.

I've asked before but does anyone know if it's possible to have high androgens with poor thyroid function?

 

[ecstatichamster]

My symptoms are similar to the OP, I have high T, Dht and DHEA yet have poor sleep and libido.

My waking temps are low 36 - 36.3, and have cold hands etc suggesting thyroid issues.

Whether any of it is PUFA related is up for debate. Bottom line is that I've not yet managed to fix it and I've tried the majority of what is recommended here.

I've asked before but does anyone know if it's possible to have high androgens with poor thyroid function?

My T is at least 900 and I am hypo thyroid.

 

[Kunstruct]

What are you T, DHT and DHEA?

I had them high (some very high) with the same issues, but thyroid was not slow. And was all when I consumed decent amounts of PUFA, cutting PUFA made no difference in the last 2 years, androgens went actually lower, cortisol didn't go lower.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

My symptoms are similar to the OP, I have high T, Dht and DHEA yet have poor sleep and libido.

Mine similar. With the exception that I have low-ish T (400 ng/dL range).Never cared to test DHT or DHEA, since I'd thought that if I bring my T up, everything will be solved.
Perhaps you function better at a bit higher levels of Estrogen.
Why don't you take Thyroid?

 

[Zigzag]

T levels slightly above 800. Low body hair, can grow a beard but density sucks, voice isn't that deep as well. I guess we weren't blessed with DHT during puberty, heh.

 

[lampofred]

I think estradiol is more responsible for those traits than testosterone. Eating more salt, potatoes, eggs, liver, steak (to stimulate adrenals) might help to increase those traits in a safe way.

 

[maillol]

What I understand from haidut is that libido is more of a dopamine thing than testosterone. I notice that my libido is higher when I have a good outdoorsy day or I'm socialising. This week I've been stuck indoors all day doing work and my libido is much lower (for the best tbh otherwise I wouldn't get any work done).

I also find training too hard can kill my libido for a few days. Under eating is bad for libido too.

I think hairiness is mostly out of your hands I'm afraid. My brother and I have very similar lifestyles but I am hairy and he is not. Just the way it is.

 

[Hans]

Hi All,

I've somewhat recently discovered this forum and have been reading every night since I found it.
In my quest to optimal health and well being, I decided I would post my first thread.

I'm 24 years old, male. I recently got blood tests from doctor for general checkup, and my testosterone level was ~1150 ng/dL, which he said was actually outside of the normal range for a male (higher).

Problem is, I don't have many traits of what someone I'd imagine with high T would have. I am not hairy, I cant even grow a full beard at 24. Also my voice isn't very low, a lot higher pitch than most people I know to be honest. Finally, my sex drive isn't over the top, it just seems very standard, maybe even on the lower side.

Does anyone know why this could be? I didn't check estrogen, but my prolactin was well within the healthy range for a male, so im assuming estrogen would be fine.

Any advice or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

It would be good to get DHT tested as mentioned already. Cortisol and estrogen could also help give a clearer picture, but it's less likely for them to be high if prolactin is low.
24 is still very young, so you shouldn't be too worried about your beard growth as it can mature and become fuller with age. I personally prefer not being too hairy though, especially on my body and don't see it as a sign of manliness because even guys with low T, high E and cortisol are shown to be very hairy.
Also, people with elevated histamine have generally less body hair than people with low histamine, so you could have elevated histamine perhaps?
Are you sensitive to allergens?
As for the libido, according to what do you measure it? Low to no desire/sex drive or lack of morning wood?
Lusting after women is more related to elevated cortisol and estrogen in the presence of high testosterone, whereas high T with low E and cortisol helps a man with good sex drive, but doesn't have the desire to lust after every woman (so it might come over as low sex drive, but it's just being faithful). A lot of guys actually feel low desire for a one night stand because they rather want a solid relationship. Which is a sign of high T and not low T, but is mistaken by many as low sex drive. This is only because we've been brainwashed to think that "more is better" and that one night stands are the way to go for a high T male.

 

[baccheion]

What about SHBG? Some cortisol is needed for uptake. There could also be androgen receptor insensitivity, something related to genetics or low thyroid hormone (or uptake, even).

 

[Runenight201]

There’s a general idea among men that high androgens are the ultimate panacea, and while having healthy amounts of androgenic hormones is good for a healthy sense of well-being, unless the stress hormones are dealt with first, true well-being won’t be attained.

An anecdote: Mike Tyson. High androgens, strongest boxer, yet high vocal chords. Take Morgan Freeman, little to no muscle mass, yet has a deep, rich voice, showing very little stress.

Mike Tyson rose to the top in a stressful occupation, plagued with controversy and behavioral issues. Morgan Freeman? Stand up guy.

Androgens don’t deal with stress, they mask it. True well-being is in the reduction of the stress response and stress hormones. All of our automated behaviors belie our stressful adaptations. All of our automatic thoughts do the same.

Feeding the body without causing the primary form of stress, digestive stress, is the crucial objective that must be achieved to reach well-being.