High Pulse Rate And Normal Temperatures - Could I Still Be Hypothyroid?

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- Every time I measure my pulse I am in the high 80's to mid 90's

- My temps are always in the 98 degree range (never have cold hands or feet)

- I am eating a Peatarian diet for the last month as I just discovered Ray Peat

- I have been having consistent daily hair shedding for the past 9 months-year.



Question: I am still tired all the time and feel very low energy. Could I still be hypothyroid? My TSH is 1.6

Let me know if you need more information.

Thanks y'all!
 

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I think Ray says anyone with TSH over 1 is not healthy, so you could be borderline. Any joint pain, eye brows thinning (look at old photographs of self). Weight gain?
 
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I am a 33 year old male with a normal BMI.

My hair is thinning and my energy if VERY low.

I have sleep apnea. I wear a CPAP machine to help with that.

No joint pain, or noticeable eyebrow thinning. If I eat the wrong foods I have noticeable inflammation in my face the next morning.
 

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How is your breathing when awake? Do you breath through your nose mostly? I don't know much about CPAP machines, but I'm assuming they push oxygen into the body while you're asleep, so you might be developing low CO2. Just a guess.
 

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Apnea is often a symptom of hypothyroidism. I suffer it too and have a CPAP machine.

But according to threads on here, they dont really help , as they dont counter the problem of hyperventilating due to mouth breathing, rather than nasal breathing and low carbon dioxide. (See Buteyko breathing technique, Bag breathing)
 
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Yeah this topic vexes me because when I don't where my CPAP I feel terrible the next day...more groggy and drained than normal.

However I want to make sure my CO2 levels are adequate - I have experimented with bag breathing in the past but I didn't notice any real benefits. Maybe I should continue to do it as a preventative measure?

@CoolTweetPete I believe my stress hormones are elevated more than 'normal' when I sleep because I often wake up in a slight panic...often my arms and hands will be numb and in my half dream state I panic, thinking I am paralyzed - really odd but it happens often enough that it's worth mentioning
 

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How many calories do you eat? Low metabolism can simply be an undernourished underfed condition. Track calories, it will give you a baseline to see where metabolism is at. When I don't eat enough I will wake up in a panic and my limbs tend to go numb as well.
 

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Yeah this topic vexes me because when I don't where my CPAP I feel terrible the next day.
Some guy on Danny Roddy's site (about 2-3 years ago) said he put his cpap machine in a box with dry ice by the air intake valve at night to entrain CO2. I thought that was creative.
 

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- Every time I measure my pulse I am in the high 80's to mid 90's

- My temps are always in the 98 degree range (never have cold hands or feet)

- I am eating a Peatarian diet for the last month as I just discovered Ray Peat

- I have been having consistent daily hair shedding for the past 9 months-year.



Question: I am still tired all the time and feel very low energy. Could I still be hypothyroid? My TSH is 1.6

Let me know if you need more information.

Thanks y'all!

How is your energy now?
 
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How is your energy now?
Unfortunately I have been struggling a lot with energy and nothing has seemed to work. I’ve tried everything peaty you can think of.

Part of me wonders if it’s my environment...it may be much more of a mental game then I previously thought. I’m trying the meditation route now
 

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Unfortunately I have been struggling a lot with energy and nothing has seemed to work. I’ve tried everything peaty you can think of.

Part of me wonders if it’s my environment...it may be much more of a mental game then I previously thought. I’m trying the meditation route now

Go get a blood gas analysis and check your progesterone levels.

Blood gas analysis for the CO2 in your blood.
Progesterone makes the brain "sensitive" to the levels of CO2 in your body and drives the breathing reflex.
 

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I am a 33 year old male with a normal BMI.

My hair is thinning and my energy if VERY low.

I have sleep apnea. I wear a CPAP machine to help with that.

No joint pain, or noticeable eyebrow thinning. If I eat the wrong foods I have noticeable inflammation in my face the next morning.

Gosh I've been right where you are. I have been told that a person CAN switch between being hypo and then not, which makes it extremely hard to treat. I am asking questions on two other "slow heart rate" threads trying to figure this out also. I swing between the VERY low energy and then one day I wake up and can do the work of 3 people in one day. Calorie input is pretty evenly distributed so I am not sure about "wrong foods"...but I am asking questions about more in depth bloodwork to drill down on this. There HAS to be some fine point we are missing. That said, we are def in the right place, and I encourage you to keep asking. This is a wonderful site with tons of genius humans with huge bodies of knowledge in their experience. How grateful I am that they are willing to share. Keep me posted, eh?
 

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Hi @LukeL , I just wanted to share a couple of things with you after reading that you have sleep apnea. This link was shared with me by Blossom, an admin on this site: http://eastwesthealing.com/sleep-apnea-snoring-and-hyperventilation/

That website has a lot of good articles and has a free "course" on metabolic breathing that you can sign up for and they send you an email a day with the next step.

Anyway, the other thing I want to bring up is the use of either acetazolamide or thiamine in large doses for sleep apnea. You can do a quick search on google "Ray Peat acetazolamide" to find what he has to say about it, but there is also an older thread discussing that 1,500mg of thiamine has the same effect as acetazolamide. I like both, but I find acetazolamide to be more effective, however it requires a prescription in this country. You can also buy it from mymexicandrugstore.com .

I would be willing to bet that your hair shedding and low energy levels have to do with screwed up adrenal function. I just discovered that I had low fasting cortisol in the morning from a blood test. I, too, have been shedding hair and I've had low energy even though I've been taking thyroid supplements. However, since starting on acetazolamide and then thiamine when I didn't have it, my sleep has gotten dramatically better and I can feel my energy returning. I felt really extra tired the first couple of days I had taken acetazolamide for sleep to the point where I constantly just wanted to take a nap. However, after 2-3 nights I started sleeping so soundly that my energy was more normal. I almost think the first couple of nights my body/brain were recuperating so much from a long period of having crap sleep that it was repairing. My blood pressure during this time went from extremely high to normal, too. Anyway, it takes some time to raise your CO2 levels and start feeling much better, I am really starting to feel a lot better this week so I'm hoping it also translates to better adrenal function.
 

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Hi @LukeL , I just wanted to share a couple of things with you after reading that you have sleep apnea. This link was shared with me by Blossom, an admin on this site: Sleep Apnea, Hyperventilation & Hypothyroidism - East West Healing

That website has a lot of good articles and has a free "course" on metabolic breathing that you can sign up for and they send you an email a day with the next step.

Anyway, the other thing I want to bring up is the use of either acetazolamide or thiamine in large doses for sleep apnea. You can do a quick search on google "Ray Peat acetazolamide" to find what he has to say about it, but there is also an older thread discussing that 1,500mg of thiamine has the same effect as acetazolamide. I like both, but I find acetazolamide to be more effective, however it requires a prescription in this country. You can also buy it from mymexicandrugstore.com .

I would be willing to bet that your hair shedding and low energy levels have to do with screwed up adrenal function. I just discovered that I had low fasting cortisol in the morning from a blood test. I, too, have been shedding hair and I've had low energy even though I've been taking thyroid supplements. However, since starting on acetazolamide and then thiamine when I didn't have it, my sleep has gotten dramatically better and I can feel my energy returning. I felt really extra tired the first couple of days I had taken acetazolamide for sleep to the point where I constantly just wanted to take a nap. However, after 2-3 nights I started sleeping so soundly that my energy was more normal. I almost think the first couple of nights my body/brain were recuperating so much from a long period of having crap sleep that it was repairing. My blood pressure during this time went from extremely high to normal, too. Anyway, it takes some time to raise your CO2 levels and start feeling much better, I am really starting to feel a lot better this week so I'm hoping it also translates to better adrenal function.


Hi Luke, ok so just how did you discover "low fasting cortisol" in the morning from a blood test? I like this discussion that adrenals could be making a play here for a member with sleep apnea. What kind of blood panel test did you have to ask for? And, did you do this because you have sleep apnea? I don't have apnea said the sleep study, but was awarded cpap for "unmanaged pain" 20 wakeups per hour. I am intrigued.
 
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Thyroid isn't everything. One reason it's not, is that simply correcting it will not let you feel better if the underlying cause of your feeling sh**ty is still there.

CPAP means you have low CO2 and that means you should start Buteyko breathing exercises.
 

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wouldn't it depend on how you're correcting it? I'd think a subpar thyroid function is nothing but the body slowing down because of a poor nutrition. Be it because of a high intake of anti nutrients (cough green smoothies vegans) or a low intake of all vitamins and minerals or whatever that disrupts the cellular energy

t3 is nice and all but food is the very primary foundation
 

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Hi Luke, ok so just how did you discover "low fasting cortisol" in the morning from a blood test? I like this discussion that adrenals could be making a play here for a member with sleep apnea. What kind of blood panel test did you have to ask for? And, did you do this because you have sleep apnea? I don't have apnea said the sleep study, but was awarded cpap for "unmanaged pain" 20 wakeups per hour. I am intrigued.
It was part of a blood panel that a reproductive health specialist ordered. You might be able to ask a regular doctor for it if you are needing to do a fasting blood test anyways. I think for truly accurate thyroid results you need to be fasting as well.
 

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It was part of a blood panel that a reproductive health specialist ordered. You might be able to ask a regular doctor for it if you are needing to do a fasting blood test anyways. I think for truly accurate thyroid results you need to be fasting as well.

Ok so "for truly accurate thyroid results" be fasting, but does that mean skip the existing thyroid dose one day before? More days? Might I want to see test results including the current dose? I only have access to a rural "hospital" so if I have something printed out on paper stating what is wanted and why, the staff can respond. ("regular doctor"@wildernessfrontier=LOL)
 

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I have read on this forum that elevated temps could be from high cortisol rather than high metabolism. I think RP says this too.
 

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