Do you have any references for that? I know dairy can be mucogenic but it's the first time I hear that about OJ.(preferably from something other than OJ, since it can cause mucus, which can affect your workout).
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Do you have any references for that? I know dairy can be mucogenic but it's the first time I hear that about OJ.(preferably from something other than OJ, since it can cause mucus, which can affect your workout).
The important indicators to look for are heavy breathing and light-headedness. Once you reach this point, you've gone too far, pushed to hard, too fast in your workout. You also lose out on the beneficial aspects of exercise. Breathless exercise, as Peat says, is problematic. it stimulates excessive amounts of stress hormones, and serotonin/prolactin. You can train your body efficiently without getting out of breath. If you look up the maffetone method, which Peat has promoted in the past, it makes this case very well. Dr. Maffetone is an expert in training endurance athletes gradually without stressing them out. The key is to not get to the point where you need to breath through your mouth during endurance training.
One glaring issue of concern is that if he can't go on a brisk walk without feeling excessive amounts of stress, then that is serious. I would consult with a medical doctor to look into the issue further.
But the other thing is, if he does turn out to be otherwise "healthy" from an MD's perspective, then I would say that he potentially needs to suck it up and realize that in the beginning, any exercise program is going to suck. One's work capacity is so low, that he experiences high adrenaline/cortisol to anything, potentially even walking. This doesn't mean that there's something wrong with him or that he should avoid exercise. Quite the opposite, he needs to gradually build up to the point where he can handle more work over time
Do you have any references for that? I know dairy can be mucogenic but it's the first time I hear that about OJ.
For me, the low hanging fruit with breathing was getting my mouth shut at night as well as daytime, and restoring diaphragmatic breathing.Very good idea. He claims not to breathe through his mouth but isn't sure about mouth-breathing at night, so taping is definitely a worthwhile experiment.
Very low doses could be enough to be useful. Not sure what you mean by that, but I'sd expect 50-100mg to make a significant difference. If this is too much, then maybe starting at 20-30mg doses with every meal might be worth trying. Some of the B-vits seem to be usefully dosed small and frequent.Niacinamide, like aspirin, is still too stimulating for him to take except in very low doses.
For me, the low hanging fruit with breathing was getting my mouth shut at night as well as daytime, and restoring diaphragmatic breathing.
I've used both tape and chinstrap to keep my mouth shut ant night, and either were helpful till I got it retrained.
Along with a bit of attention to relaxing thoracic muscles, a couple of sessions with a belt around my chest was enough to reactivate diaphragmatic breathing.
Very low doses could be enough to be useful. Not sure what you mean by that, but I'sd expect 50-100mg to make a significant difference. If this is too much, then maybe starting at 20-30mg doses with every meal might be worth trying. Some of the B-vits seem to be usefully dosed small and frequent.
Not sure if I followed this to the letter, but here is Artour Rakhimov's advice:Thank you. Could you elaborate on (or provide a link describing) what you did to relax the thoracic muscles and how you used the belt?
Not sure if I followed this to the letter, but here is Artour Rakhimov's advice:
https://www.normalbreathing.com/learn-8-diaphragmatic-breathing.php
Many thanks to everyone who's contributed to this thread. It's a real boost to see so many helpful ideas and experiments to try.
It seems significant that for several weeks, B1 and biotin greatly reduced my relative's stress response to activity/exercise/meals, eliminated shortness of breath, and even appeared to lower his adrenaline. Other pro-metabolic supps (thyroid, pregnenolone, progesterone, moderate/large doses of aspirin, etc.) all make his adrenaline much worse.
...Does the (temporary) success of B1 and B7 give any clues about what else we should try?
The suggestion here would be to look for simple, safe measures and use the feedback of clear, not so-so, results.
In high adrenaline states, there is often vasoconstriction of the peripheries. So, for the night, for instance, warm socks or an old-fashioned hot water bottle may keep the feet warmer, even if the torso is reasonably warm.
If gelatin is being used and is digested comfortably, experiment if not already done with taking more of the total daily gelatin later in the day, to see if the glycine/proline soothing effects assist with supportive sleep.
High serotonin effects tend to prolong anxious, agitated, and blunted function. Relieving social isolation will tend to lower serotonin. Low threshold hanging out in a public space, like a coffee shop or library, is one way to get human company, if community access is difficult. As many forum posts discuss, the bulk of serotonin supply is in the gut. Gut supportive measures beyond carrot fiber, like mushroom fiber, activated charcoal, cascara/emodin, may lower noticeably serotonin burden.
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