based on the assumption that taller is better
I did not say taller is better. The thread was just to show that one of the most genetically driven feature (according to mainstream medicine) is a lot more malleable than we are led to believe.
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based on the assumption that taller is better
If you know the genes responsible for (maximum) height please name them.
Their names are Carl and Helmut, and they live in a person’s heel.
But seriously now, how about some good old empirical evidence. We are three brothers. I’m the oldest, I stand at 6’7”, the younger one is 6’1”, the youngest is 6’7”. Me and the youngest one aren't just the same height, we look alike, we’re clearly on our father’s side of the family. Mostly tall fair skinned people. The middle brother is clearly on the mother’s side, not as tall, darker skinned. So is our youngest sister. Same upbringing, same nutrition, same bed time stories, same school, same air, same everything.
There are million examples like that around us. How can this even be questioned?
But MGTOW sounds like a different word for incels, with a voluntary pretense.
If you want some **** you gotta play the game. I got the height, I got the hair, I fake muscularity with tighter clothing and sucked in gutt, and my job position creates the illusion of success and wealth. I’m all set.
Their names are Carl and Helmut, and they live in a person’s heel.
But seriously now, how about some good old empirical evidence. We are three brothers. I’m the oldest, I stand at 6’7”, the middle one is 6’1”, the youngest is 6’7”. Me and the youngest one aren't just the same height, we look alike, we’re clearly on our father’s side of the family. Mostly tall fair skinned people. The middle brother is clearly on the mother’s side, not as tall, darker skinned. So is our youngest sister. Same upbringing, same nutrition, same bed time stories, same school, same air, same everything.
There are million examples like that around us. How can this even be questioned? Are you saying other physical features we inherit from our parents are only thanks to eating exactly like them?
Could be phermones and hormones that are contagious which then shapes a persons personality and thur physical appearance.
Well I’m a natural born ***hole, while my youngest brother is a pretty okay guy, so that personality contagion theory can be hereby safely dismissed.
How paradise became the fattest place in the worldWHY ARE PACIFIC ISLANDERS SO BIG?
There is no legitimate explanation for this, but many believe that generations of farming and strenuous labor required by all males of the family might give us a little more insight as to why these behemoths of athletes exist.
Pacific Islanders are just born big-boned and have frames perfect for any NFL position, especially for linemen down in the trenches.
One theory in physical anthropology is that through ancestral evolution, Polynesians were forced to adapt to cold weather at one stage of their history.
People in cold climates tend to develop larger, lean bodies to store more fat, which would, of course, be a contrast to the warmer tropical environments they live in today. But considering that all Polynesians migrated to islands and were known as extraordinary travelers, this could be where the answer lies.
Other findings show that the Samoan obesity epidemic starts at birth. According to a study conducted by Brown University, weight gain drastically increases 23 percent more in a Samoan boy than the average male American child within the first 15 months of life. This, however, is not confined to just the Samoan populations. Many experts believe that this rise in childhood obesity foreshadows a trend that we can see in the United States.
Polynesians: prone to obesity and Type 2 diabetes mellitus but not hyperinsulinaemia.All in the genes?
Some scientists believe that Pacific island populations have evolved to maintain their larger build -- a concept known as the "Thrifty Gene" hypothesis. For this region of the world, the concept is based on the fact Pacific islanders once endured long journeys at sea and those who fared best stored enough energy in the form of fat to survive their journey.
Do you know of a gene or group of genes that is responsible for height? Can you share them please? Quite a few groups tried to use computational genomics to predict real-life features based on genes and height has been one of the most sought after predictable features. None of these models has so far managed to do anything useful outside a lab.
So, until I see solid evidence of specific genes linked to height the evidence of the 3 threads above stands - i.e. maximum height depends on quality of environment.
For a bit of anecdotal evidence - basketball player Boban Marjanovic has a height of 7 ft. 3′ inches (221 cm). His parents (confirmed by genetic testing) have heights around 5' 8''. Nobody in his lineage is known to have been taller than 6ft and Boban himself does not have a pituitary disorder or another condition explaining his height.
Boban Marjanovic: I'm from another planet, like Superman from Krypton | Eurohoops
"...The Philadelphia 76ers‘ Boban Marjanovic has always towered his opponents – and teammates – with the height of 7’3” (221 cm). People might assume he comes from crazy-tall parents as well but, as in the case of many other ‘giants’, that’s not it. His parents are at 5’6” (168 cm) and 5’9” (175 cm) which isn’t even close, so, how did it happen? ‘The Bobinator’ has got that covered:"
And here are some other things to consider.
Every Gene Affects Every Trait, So Personalized/genomic Medicine Is Doomed
The 'omnigenic' Theory Confirmed Again, Genomic Medicine Likely Useless
Environmental Quality, Not Genetics, Determines Testosterone Levels In Men
lelCould be phermones and hormones that are contagious which then shapes a persons personality and thur physical appearance.
I think Haidut is definitely illuminating something, but also a good deal of height potential is passed through DNAPolynesians/Tongans/Samoan/Fijian? Do they eat a lot of coconut crab(low PUFA)?
Why Polynesians Are Genetically Engineered To Be The Best Football Players In The World
How paradise became the fattest place in the world
Polynesians: prone to obesity and Type 2 diabetes mellitus but not hyperinsulinaemia.
Tuilagi Family. Tall and thick boned.
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Very interesting. Living in Spain for a long number of years, I have personally observed how Spaniards have sprouted up in height in recent years and youngers are notably taller than parents and grandparents, raised on a northern European diet rich in meat and dairy.I posted a few threads in the past demonstrating that gene are likely not the main driver of height, despite the mainstream dogma vehement claiming to the contrary.
Dutch People Gained 20cm Of Height In Just 150 Years
Protein Quality, Not Genes, Determine Male Height
Intelligence and height are often presented as two of the most genetically driven variables of any given human. Below is yet another study demonstrating that switching to a diet containing animal protein allowed the Chinese boys to gain ~10cm on average over a period of just 25 years. Considering the 50% height of a 12-year old Chinese boy in 1985 was around 120cm, the ~10cm gain represents a whopping 8% increase in height. That change is highly statistically significant and cannot be explained by any statistical manipulations as a fluke.
Global meat-eating is on the rise, bringing surprising benefits
"...In the decade to 2017 global meat consumption rose by an average of 1.9% a year and fresh dairy consumption by 2.1% -- both about twice as fast as population growth. Almost four-fifths of all agricultural land is dedicated to feeding livestock, if you count not just pasture but also cropland used to grow animal feed… It is largely through eating more pork and dairy that Chinese diets have come to resemble Western ones, rich in protein and fat. And it is mostly because their diets have altered that Chinese people have changed shape. The average 12-year-old urban boy was nine centimetres taller in 2010 than in 1985, the average girl seven centimetres taller."
Very interesting. Living in Spain for a long number of years, I have personally observed how Spaniards have sprouted up in height in recent years and youngers are notably taller than parents and grandparents, raised on a northern European diet rich in meat and dairy.
Do you know of a gene or group of genes that is responsible for height? Can you share them please? Quite a few groups tried to use computational genomics to predict real-life features based on genes and height has been one of the most sought after predictable features. None of these models has so far managed to do anything useful outside a lab.
So, until I see solid evidence of specific genes linked to height the evidence of the 3 threads above stands - i.e. maximum height depends on quality of environment.
For a bit of anecdotal evidence - basketball player Boban Marjanovic has a height of 7 ft. 3′ inches (221 cm). His parents (confirmed by genetic testing) have heights around 5' 8''. Nobody in his lineage is known to have been taller than 6ft and Boban himself does not have a pituitary disorder or another condition explaining his height.
Boban Marjanovic: I'm from another planet, like Superman from Krypton | Eurohoops
"...The Philadelphia 76ers‘ Boban Marjanovic has always towered his opponents – and teammates – with the height of 7’3” (221 cm). People might assume he comes from crazy-tall parents as well but, as in the case of many other ‘giants’, that’s not it. His parents are at 5’6” (168 cm) and 5’9” (175 cm) which isn’t even close, so, how did it happen? ‘The Bobinator’ has got that covered:"
And here are some other things to consider.
Every Gene Affects Every Trait, So Personalized/genomic Medicine Is Doomed
The 'omnigenic' Theory Confirmed Again, Genomic Medicine Likely Useless
Environmental Quality, Not Genetics, Determines Testosterone Levels In Men
I posted a few threads in the past demonstrating that gene are likely not the main driver of height, despite the mainstream dogma vehement claiming to the contrary.
Dutch People Gained 20cm Of Height In Just 150 Years
Protein Quality, Not Genes, Determine Male Height
You are making it sound as if I am making it black and white.
Intelligence and height are often presented as two of the most genetically driven variables of any given human. Below is yet another study demonstrating that switching to a diet containing animal protein allowed the Chinese boys to gain ~10cm on average over a period of just 25 years. Considering the 50% height of a 12-year old Chinese boy in 1985 was around 120cm, the ~10cm gain represents a whopping 8% increase in height. That change is highly statistically significant and cannot be explained by any statistical manipulations as a fluke.
Genetics determine maximum achievable height, you can reach your genetic max height given that you consume adequate protein throughout development. I highly doubt protein is the only/major component of height determination.
Do you know of a gene or group of genes that is responsible for height? Can you share them please? Quite a few groups tried to use computational genomics to predict real-life features based on genes and height has been one of the most sought after predictable features. None of these models has so far managed to do anything useful outside a lab.
So, until I see solid evidence of specific genes linked to height the evidence of the 3 threads above stands - i.e. maximum height depends on quality of environment.
For a bit of anecdotal evidence - basketball player Boban Marjanovic has a height of 7 ft. 3′ inches (221 cm). His parents (confirmed by genetic testing) have heights around 5' 8''. Nobody in his lineage is known to have been taller than 6ft and Boban himself does not have a pituitary disorder or another condition explaining his height.
... All I am doing is presenting the evidence, which so far favors the environmental influence over genes.
So far I have not heard/seen anything about specific genes related to height. If you know the genes responsible for (maximum) height please name them. Did you see my other comment on so many groups trying to arithmetically predict height using even genome-wide associations? None of those attempts worked.
Check these threads as well.
Every Gene Affects Every Trait, So Personalized/genomic Medicine Is Doomed
The 'omnigenic' Theory Confirmed Again, Genomic Medicine Likely Useless
Environmental Quality, Not Genetics, Determines Testosterone Levels In Men
I thought height was negatively associated with longevity?