Having A Fast Metabolism Is Analogous To Being Wealthy; ATP = Money

[lampofred]

Fast metabolisms generate more ATP, ATP is the energy that powers life. The more energy your body produces the more things you are able to do, including "non-essential" things related to the arts. Whereas the less energy you have to spare the more you can focus only on survival related activities. The creative centers of your brain literally don't grow.

Similarly the more money you have the more ability you have to do things. Including "non-essential" non-survival related activities like buying luxury goods, taking vacations, etc.

In other words increasing your metabolism is analogous to becoming wealthier, and money is the abstract equivalent of ATP.

 

[MetabolicTrash]

Pretty cool way of looking at it. I never thought of energy like that, but it makes some sense.

I even guess there is a better correlation between them too, including high energy increasing wealth by way of constantly doing different things that can help you/others to keep opportunities flowing. Depression and/or just general lack of energy (which can become depression) seems to also go along with less opportunities to grow or change -- or less taken at least.

But there is also the important points to remember that not all of what appears to be "energy" is ideal. Some people use energy and plenty of bad or limited things happens from it, which opens the discussion to other matters and complicates it though. I have seen "high energy" people who are what appeared to be serotonergic/alcoholic/drug-fueled narcissistic types who always stay stuck in bad or limited situations in life by way of their own self-destructive energy if you call it that. Look at "high energy criminal" cases where people constantly in/out of jail/conflict/physical violence/etc. get there by way of what people would immediately devote as "energy driven" or "high energy."

 

[LeeLemonoil]

It‘s the other way round. Money IS energy. It’s stored manpower/work.
You can exchange it for other people expending energy/atp for you. It’s thermodynamics. That’s why accumulation of wealth is so perverted. A billionaires wealth is the appropriated life-Energy of many poor people.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

That’s also why there are financial crashes regularly. Too much money circulated that has no equivalent in the real world. Like spending ATP without the energy-intake to sustain it. An organism would die. The Finance crashes but that means peoples savings „die“ while property and means of productions of the rich stand.

 

[LUH 3417]

So what is cancer metabolism in terms of finance

 

[Gl;itch.e]

So what is cancer metabolism in terms of finance

Government

 

[lampofred]

It‘s the other way round. Money IS energy. It’s stored manpower/work.
You can exchange it for other people expending energy/atp for you. It’s thermodynamics. That’s why accumulation of wealth is so perverted. A billionaires wealth is the appropriated life-Energy of many poor people.

But since metabolic energy isn't finite this analogy implies that wealth isn't finite either... it just takes low 5ht to perceive the possibilities...

 

[lampofred]

So what is cancer metabolism in terms of finance

PUFA deficiency allows for eternal growth without cancerization.

So what is PUFA/excitation in terms of the economy? Discovering that would be the cure to poverty and an end to the cancerous capitalism vs parasitic communism debate...

 

[LUH 3417]

PUFA deficiency allows for eternal growth without cancerization.

So what is PUFA/excitation in terms of the economy? Discovering that would be the cure to poverty and an end to the cancerous capitalism vs parasitic communism debate...

but economy is all about management and allotment of resources due to scarcity. if infinity were to be acknowledged, management would be unnecessary.

 

[Dobbler]

This post gave me cancer, i don't ever want to think that "money = absolute health" or more money you make the healthier you are. It's not that simple. You have to understand most people work 9 to 5 , it's not like their income somehow increases depending on their health status, and if they gain energy they don't use that to make money... people are sicker than ever and get paid more than ever ...

 

[tankasnowgod]

So what is cancer metabolism in terms of finance

Central Bankers, including things like the Federal Reserve and the DTCC. And the orgs on top of them like the IMF, BIS and the UN.

Derivitives on top of Fractional Reserve Banking on top of unbanked fiat on top of Keynesian economics. That's the problem.

 

[tankasnowgod]

people are sicker than ever and get paid more than ever ...

... and money has less value than ever....

 

[bk_]

PUFA deficiency allows for eternal growth without cancerization.

So what is PUFA/excitation in terms of the economy? Discovering that would be the cure to poverty and an end to the cancerous capitalism vs parasitic communism debate...

Allow me to add my two cents:

Perhaps if we equate material wealth rather than money to ATP. In this sense material wealth such as maintenance of homes, roads, and infrastructure can be equated to the health of the organism and labour can be equated to production of ATP. A healthy organism has adequate nutrients to sustain itself and a surplus for additional growth and also have low toxin/PUFA intake. Future wealth of most of the society begins to disappear through divorce (lawyers and courts), taxes, insurance, inflation, interest, business regulations, global competition to lower wages, removal of high quality working class jobs, wars, and government debts. The analogy to an organism would be the loss of ATP due to severe stress such as lack of sleep, excess demands on energy, too much toxins, etc.

With this analogy we could say that having a fast, healthy metabolism that improves the health of the organism and builds its structure and consciousness is equivalent to having a labour system that is both productive and directed to building wealth for the civilization (homes, roads, businesses, utilities, retirement, etc).

Than perhaps metabolic cancer can be equated to parasitic portions of a civilization that draws and concentrates wealth into a small inefficient portion of society that does not contribute to energy production or health. Examples include fractional reserve banking that draws wealth to lenders and major debtors from the entire money system (making savings deteriorate in value over time as a hidden tax). We may include lawyers and courts for drawing wealth out of litigation and divorce. Also we may include big bureaucratic government that acts as an over regulating inefficient middle-man taxing wealth in order to siphon it to maintaining the bureaucracy itself, it’s parasitic components, and the inefficiencies spawned from it such as welfare (being paid to do nothing). Or perhaps big government making disastrous policies that harm future wealth through wars or open borders or globalization. Such decisions are made by a parasitic elite for their own agenda of dominance, much like how cancer tries to work against its host organism to consume resources in an inefficient manner and ultimately destroy it to achieve dominance (as an overgrown tumour).

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Very interesting and thoughtful @bk_ , thanks.

Another fundamental question: a single organism (with very few exceptions) is bound to die one day, every living thing is subject to entropy.

Is our ATP-analogy of economics and society also subject to entropy or do we need it to regard it as always self-renewing (people reborn) and thus entropy doesn’t figure into our considerations in this model?

 

[lvysaur]

So what is cancer metabolism in terms of finance

Inequality is cancer metabolism.

So what is PUFA/excitation in terms of the economy?

Humanity was the first cancer, because language allows immortality of thought.

But of course these things come in degrees--everything that gives you "something for nothing" is essentially a type of cancerous growth. First it was fire and language, later on it was spear and arrow technology, still later it was pastoralism and farming, and even later it was the industrial revolution, which was only possible due to the insane glut of energy provided by the Black Death and the discovery of the Americas

 

[LUH 3417]

Inequality is cancer metabolism.


Humanity was the first cancer, because language allows immortality of thought.

But of course these things come in degrees--everything that gives you "something for nothing" is essentially a type of cancerous growth. First it was fire and language, later on it was spear and arrow technology, still later it was pastoralism and farming, and even later it was the industrial revolution, which was only possible due to the insane glut of energy provided by the Black Death and the discovery of the Americas

Learn to love your tumors, boils and cysts

 

[Jacob28]

Learn to love your tumors, boils and cysts

Yes, make love not war( still somewhat nice slogan, to spend your energy for caring for others or making love- in every sense, not to fight or kill your fellow beings)

 

[tonto]

Interesting thread, however I wouldn't say that ATP is equivalent to money as its functions are more about ordering protein (per Gilbert Ling). The main currency seems to be electron flow through a cell and from cell to cell, and from organ to organ. The more electrons shared in the body, the more cells you need (Peat said that reptiles have very large cells and a lower metabolic rate, whereas humans have a more granular cellular field with smaller cells due to ability to spread electrons across the entire organism). If you gain electrons from fat, although you get more ATP, you get loss CO2 to stabilize and use the electrons. If you gain electrons from carbs, more CO2 and more electron control. I would say that as you increase wealth, people benefit from having less toxins in food, leading to less endotoxin/estrogen, leading to better glucose metabolism.

 

[lampofred]

WHOA has anyone else read Dr. Peat's latest newsletter yet

So he thinks money is the equivalent of electrons, not ATP

Gonna have the read the newsletter a few more times to understand it but couldn't resist mentioning this

 

[LUH 3417]

WHOA has anyone else read Dr. Peat's latest newsletter yet

So he thinks money is the equivalent of electrons, not ATP

Gonna have the read the newsletter a few more times to understand it but couldn't resist mentioning this

I just saw it and remembered this thread. Made me laugh.