Have Adrenal Fatigue? No You Don't

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  1. 4peatssake

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    Here is a new article by Danny Roddy

    Have Adrenal Fatigue? No You Don't

    He starts off with this quote by Ray Peat.
     
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    I have to agree with Danny (and Ray) that the adrenal fatigue diagnosis, as it stands, is bogus (in my experience). A doctor I have seen diagnosed me with 'adrenal fatigue', due to chronic low cortisol (in the blood tests). Apparently my adrenals are fatigued, just over-worked, need a rest. So I had to avoid public enemy number one - coffee. Take some expensive adrenal potion. Couldn't make the cortisol budge though, until one day week I got sick with the flu. Had my blood test during that time, and my cortisol was through the roof. I asked the doctor how is this possible?? I thought me 'drenals were kaput? Of course, he had no answer. Literally. He couldn't even make something up. But I should be thankful because it did make me take ownership over my health and led me to the Peat.

    Things began to improve for me when I went on NDT btw...
     
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    Even if adrenal fatigue is not as prominent as believed, there are definitely adrenal issues which cause problems like anxiety. Over-stimulating the adrenals with constant caffeine hits is possibly why there are so many people these days getting panic attacks. The adrenals are regularly sending a fight or flight signal to the amygdala and too much of this sends some people into a spin out. It also doesn't help to live in a civilization of general overstimulation, whether through violence on TV, too much pressure, etc.

    A Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioner will tell you if you have adrenal fatigue. Though they don't have a concept of the adrenals, their diagnosis of "kidney insufficiency" is actually a diagnosis of the state of the adrenals. So if you want to check for adrenal fatigue, go this route. Also get a saliva assay (more accurate than blood test) of your cortisol levels (4 samples over 12 hours is required) as this is the best way for Western medicine to diagnose adrenal fatigue. My cortisol was dipping below normal at the mid morning point, then picking up. The path lab diagnosed this as adrenal fatigue. My Chinese Herbalist also diagnosed my main problem as being kidney insufficiency.
     
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    It's not that the adrenals are not being taxed that is the issue. It is the true cause that is no longer properly understood nor being treated correctly.

    Blocking Tissue Destruction

    Progesterone Pregnenolone & DHEA - Three Youth-Associated Hormones

    Another really good article is Immunodeficiency, dioxins, stress, and the hormones
     
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    I love Peat, but I strongly disagree with his statement, " So I think the ‘low adrenal’ people are simply low thyroid, or deficient in cholesterol or nutrients.”

    People like me who are low in cortisol will feel worse when trying to supplement thyroid (with NDT or T3) unless they do something to boost their cortisol levels. Thyroid and cortisol work together synergestically. From what I'm reading, hydrocortisone, pregnenolone, or progesterone can be used to boost cortisol.

    I've tried NDT and T3 and they made me much worse. Hydrocortisone didn't work. Frequent doses of pregnenolone together with T3 DID work. I am currently switching from pregnenolone to progesterone, though, because I am estrogen dominant.

    This protocol gave me my life back:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attachme ... c16%20.att
     
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    readforjoy, I used to be in a similar situation. Just be aware that it's possible to be allergic to NDT, try a T4+T3 combo too.
    I was, thats why I couldn't increase my NDT dose. Now that I switched to T4, I am gradually increasing my dose.
     
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    Are you a man or woman? Do you do oral or transdermal pregnenolone/progesterone?
     
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    Have you read the site below? It says you need to fix adrenal issues FIRST before treating Thyroid issues. I dont know whats right, but their views also make sense.

    http://www.thyroidrt3.com/adrenals.htm
     
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    Yes I have read that site. Anytime you read that you should be taking hydrocortisone, you should turn the other way. They take extremely high doses of Cytomel and if you can't tolerate 5-10 mcg then they tell you that you need hydrocortisone. They don't realize that any more than 4mcg is not physiological.

    However pregnenolone and progesterone are safer options because they increase the necessary hormones at the body's discression. I don't think you need to heal the adrenals first. I just think you need to start with 1 mcg of Cytomel and increase very slowly. And take those hormones if you feel you may be low in them.
     
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    Regeneration of adrenals:

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    The page is blank. What was your protocol?
     
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    Thanks for this post. Had the same diagnosis from a "doctor" from low cortisol. Tried to make me take some expensive adrenal potions as well.
     
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    What sort of potion do you mean? What is in it?
    I believe there is a link, and that SOMETIMES it is necessary to treat adrenals first, maybe not long, but I sure agree it is stupid to treat ONLY adrenals and forget thyroid!
    When you are low thyroid, I do not see how it is possible that the adrenals would stay quiet without helping!
    I do boost myself to produce stress hormones, I have developped many tricks!

    1 that maybe most have done: let's say you are tired but driving and cannot stop. I just accelerate and HAVE to get very alert, though I of course stay secure. Stress hormones rise, and then I am no more sleepy.
    I also use intellect, like reading a RP forum... to wake up in the morning! I am not crazy enough to use interval training early in the morning and fasting.... A coffee while reading here is much safer!

    This I believe is very true:
    (broken old link...)
     
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    Interesting thread. So what is coffees relationship to the adrenal system? It potently raises cortisol which, according to some here in this thread is a good thing (in certain contexts), but when taken with sufficient sugar it just increases thyroid (hopefully), and doesn't tax the adrenal system as much?

    Have I got that right?

    So basically, coffee without sugar is quite dumb.
     
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    Lets say someones adrenals were in rough shape...what would be the best way at increasing their function? I feel pretty good when i drink coffee but occasionally feel more tired than i should. Is optimizing thyroid function the most efficient way at improving adrenal function?
     
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    I just came across, but you can't isolate.
    @Jennifer knows about this way more than I do.
     
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    I find coffee to have transient effects on providing energy, providing cognitive enhancement, all things one associates positively about stimulants, etc. It definitely has slightly different effects taken with or without sugar, but that also depends on if you've got food in you. A large or good dose of caffeine in coffee won't always energize me, it can do the opposite, tax energy reserves after anxiety sets in. The first cup or two of the day feel good, but then one can't reproduce those effects later in the day. One things for sure, it has warming effects on the body. I feel like taking without sugar is more likely to increase hunger, irritability. But then too much coffee throughout the day increase acidity, especially paired with Aspirin.
     
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