Hashimoto's (Autoimmune Diseases) And Peat Protocol

jnhermann

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I could use some help.

I have Hashimoto's which most of you know means I'm Hypothyroid and my immune system is attacking my thyroid (and likely other things).

I've been paleo for a couple months (gluten free for months prior). I just stumbled across Ray Peat this past week. I read a bunch of his articles and couldn't sleep for a couple nights thinking about everything he says.

I've been a very so called "healthy" eater for years: lots of plant foods, fish oil, very little meat, no dairy, no white flour, very little sugar, lots of nuts and seeds (however one good thing is that Ive been eating lots of coconut oil for years). Now that I look back, the "healthier" I ate the worse I felt.

Anyhow, I've been battling depression on and off for the last 10 years. I finally got a full thyroid panel done a year ago thinking I might have a thyroid issue, and that is when I discovered that I was hypothyroid plus auto immune. I'm pretty sure my depression is entirely due to this. A year later not much has changed after doing gluten free, then recently, paleo.

I have not taken any thyroid to date...only because my thyroid issue is a secondary thyroid issue, not a primary thyroid issue. I'm wondering if it might help me.

For the last few days since I found Ray Peat I've been doing OJ, milk, cheese, salt, vitamin e, gelatin, raw carrot. I ordred pregnenolone.

Any special Peat Protocol recommendations for people with Auto Immune diseases (and maybe specifically hashimotos)?? How might the Peat Protocol help stop my auto immune attack (ie. modulate my immune system)?

I'm desperate to get better.

Thanks!!!

Jeff
 

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Hi Jeff!

I'm in the same boat... Discovered autoimmune Hashimoto's in May 2012, had been gluten free for a few months already... Kept at it with stupid Paleo eating, until I could barely move this summer! Went to a rheumatologist and found out that not only I had autoantibodies to gluten and my own thyroid, but also to my own DNA, so I guess that puts me in a much worse situation than you are, with a possible lupus in my future...

I've been on the Peat diet for a few weeks... However, I have yet to recover my former energy. Also, after shocking my body the first week with super high doses of OJ and milk and sugar, I toned it down a little.

My anti-TPO count has gone down, from 935 to 715 or so, from May to October, on gluten-free Paleo, but I was way too high, still (should be below 40, if I remember correctly)

I'm so curious if this way of eating will change anything!

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I quit smoking seven years ago. Sometimes I think maybe that's what did me in. I have read that Hashimoto's can be triggered by smoking cessation. Just out of curiosity, have you ever smoked?

Also, have you seen this recent study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22807490

I ordered Anatabloc from GNC, I'm waiting for it now.

I even smoked a cigarette after reading that... :)
 

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Actually, I ordered Anatabloc after reading this press release:

Star Scientific, Inc./Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals Report Positive Initial Results of ASAP Human Thyroid Health Study Showing Benefits in Immune System Support

PR Newswire

GLEN ALLEN, Va., Jan. 7, 2013

GLEN ALLEN, Va., Jan. 7, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Star Scientific, Inc. (NASDAQ: STSI) announced today the preliminary results of the Company's ASAP (Anatabloc Supplementation Autoimmune Prevention) Human Thyroid Study that analyzes the impact of anatabine dietary supplementation on thyroid health.

(Logo: http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20120301/NE62741LOGO )

The study is a three-month, five-visit, double-blind, placebo-controlled study of the impact of anatabine dietary supplementation in humans with autoimmune disease of the thyroid. The study was conducted at nine sites and builds upon previous epidemiological and animal experimental studies. Initial results for all study subjects suggest that dietary supplementation with anatabine ameliorates the immune system's targeting of the thyroid gland in autoimmune thyroiditis.

Subjects in the study were screened initially to establish the presence of active autoimmune thyroid inflammation. Baseline thyroid sonography, thyroid antibody levels, and cytokine levels were collected from the subjects who were determined to have active autoimmune thyroid inflammation. Thyroid function tests and routine safety monitoring were also done in these subjects. Eligible subjects were enrolled in the study and then received weight-appropriate doses of anatabine or placebo, ranging from nine to twenty-four mg of the anatabine supplement or placebo per day. Subjects received treatment for three months, returning at four-week intervals for repeat laboratory testing and/or sonography of the thyroid.

One-hundred forty-eight subjects completed the study, of which one-hundred forty six complied with all treatment, visits and required tests. The preliminary examination of the primary outcomes shows a clear and statistically significant difference in the treated group as compared to the placebo group by the end of the trial, with declines in anti-thyroglobulin antibody levels. Anatabine subjects also tended toward a reduction in thyroid gland vascularity on ultrasound relative to placebo.

The full report of the study is still being completed and will soon be submitted for peer review. Therefore, it is unavailable at this time. However, these promising initial results prompted Curtis Wright, MD, MPH, Medical Director of Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals, to comment, "It is remarkable that dietary supplementation is able to help lower the thyroid antibody activity. To see antibodies that may have been elevated for years beginning to come down in a significant way after three months of supplementation is exciting. Given the rate of decline over three months, it is quite reasonable to expect that the effect may continue with longer use, which has already been observed in individual cases. I look forward to following subjects over a longer period in order to establish how profound and clinically meaningful the effect is going to be. The thyroglobulin levels in some patients returned entirely to normal in this three month study."

Dr. Paul Ladenson, senior endocrinological consultant for the study, stated, "Data from this rigorously conducted, placebo-controlled, double blind trial show that anatabine-treated subjects had progressive decreases in circulating thyroglobulin antibody levels, which became significant by the end of the trial. Current treatment for autoimmune thyroiditis is limited to end-stage disease when irreversible gland damage necessitates lifelong thyroid hormone replacement. The prospect of a novel nutritional or pharmaceutical intervention that could preserve thyroid health represents an encouraging advance. Further clinical studies are now warranted."

The title of the study is, "A Multi-Site, Double-Blind, Randomized, Placebo-Controlled, Parallel-Group Trial to Evaluate the Safety and Potential Effects of the Dietary Supplement Anatabine on Antithyroid Autoantibodies and Thyroid Function in Subjects with Autoimmune Thyroiditis". The full study report will be available after all secondary analyses have been completed and is planned to be submitted for scientific presentation and publication later in the year.

Certain statements contained in this release constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such statements include, but are not limited to statements identified by words such as "believes," "expects," "anticipates," "estimates," "intends," "plans," "targets," "projects" and similar expressions. The statements in this release are based upon the current beliefs and expectations of our company's management and are subject to significant risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ from those set forth in the forward-looking statements. Numerous factors could cause or contribute to such differences, including, but not limited to, results of clinical trials and/or other studies, the challenges inherent in new product development initiatives, including the continued development and market acceptance of our nutraceutical products, the effect of any competitive products, our ability to license and protect our intellectual property, our ability to raise additional capital in the future that is necessary to maintain our business, changes in government policy and/or regulation, as well as other risks discussed from time to time in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including, without limitation, our annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2011. We undertake no duty to update any forward-looking statement or any information contained in this press release or in other public disclosures at any time.

About Star Scientific
Star Scientific, Inc. is a technology-oriented company with a mission to promote maintenance of a healthy metabolism and lifestyle. Over the last several years, through its wholly owned subsidiary, Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals, Star Scientific has been engaged in the manufacturing, sale, and marketing of two nutraceutical dietary supplements, and the development of other nutraceuticals and pharmaceuticals. The company also continues to pursue the licensing of the technology behind its proprietary StarCured® curing process and its related products. Rock Creek Pharmaceuticals has scientific and research offices in Gloucester, MA, and a regulatory office in Washington, DC. Star Scientific has a Corporate and Sales Office in Glen Allen, VA, and an Executive, Scientific & Regulatory Affairs office in Washington, DC.

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Then I read that Anatabine was the cure for many other things, MS and Alzheimer included.

Anatabloc is an anti-inflammatory that has been on the market for some time.

I don't know. If that's the case and this thing is the magic cure for autoimmunity... What can I say...Maybe we should all invest in STSI stock...
 

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Wow, Isadora. That TPO is super high. My TPO is around 100. Not much of a smoker although socially in the past. Havent smoked for years. I do use tobacco though (chewing tobacco).

I highly recommend Dr. K's book: http://www.Thyroid360.com He's the authority on treating hashimotos naturally.

You have leaky gut syndrome for sure. What have you done, if anything, to heal your gut? All auto immune diseases result from leaky gut syndrome (which is caused by chronic inflammation). Stay 100% clear of PUFA's, eat lots of coconut oil (it actually helps heal leaky gut). To heal your gut, you definitely need to take 10 grams of L-glutamine every day on an empty stomach (critical for healing gut tissue) and an hour before consuming any food (easiest to take upon waking up). Also take 3 teaspoons per day of (98 or 99%) pure MSM (organic sulfur). It will probably take you 6 months to heal the gut fully if taking these supplements. Without these supplements, indefinitely. That's a start. You can get glutamine cheap at Vitacost.com (vitacost brand)...the cheapest MSM in bulk at KVsupply.com. It's a veterinary supply site, but they have pure MSM for MUCH cheaper than any one marketed for humans. It's the same stuff.

In Dr. K's book he says 90% of Hashimotos patients have an inability to process dietary vitamin D properly and thus are typically very Vit D deficient. He recommends an emulsified Vitamin D liquid (made by Biotics Research) that is better assimilated. Vitamin D is a powerful immune modulator. Low vitamin D promotes auto immune. I was low Vitamin D even after supplementing with 5,000 to 10,000 IU DAILY of regular vitamin D pills...so I believe it. I've been taking the emusified Vitamin D for a few weeks and I'm still low.
 

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Interesting , but the Anatabloc study doesnt mention TPO...just the other antibody (which I dont have and maybe you dont either)...
 

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jnhermann said:
Interesting , but the Anatabloc study doesnt mention TPO...just the other antibody (which I dont have and maybe you dont either)...

I have that one too... :( Borderline, though, 4.25 instead of 4.11 or lower.

I looked again -- antiTPO should have been under 5.61... I love those decimals... I'm at 732.67!

Yeah, maybe I am getting excited over nothing here with Anatabloc, but hey...

Anyway, Jeff, thanks for the info! I did read that book and tried to make heads and tails of what he advised. I did check my immune phenotype, also. It looked rather strange, B-cells in distress, TH within limits, but at that lab they weren't equipped to go further and differentiate between Th1 and Th2. etc, so I wasn't sure what to do next -- and doctors here, in France, anyway, look at me funny when I show them such labs. Also, they insist on not treating me because I am euthyroid...

I have been staying away from PUFA's and I using coconut oil. I didn't know about L-glutamine, thanks for that! I had started to use intuitively things like NAC, DLPA, NALT, but stopped after reading that Dr. Peat doesn't recommend this type of supplementation. I am now only taking the Great Lakes gelatin. But if you say they work, I'll give those a shot :) I have MSM, I had bought that too from myprotein.com, and a bunch of multivitamins, B-complex, Zinc, Magnesium, Brazil nuts.

My D3 levels were at 8 (!!!) in 2011. I took tons of vitamin D3, spent time in the sun, but still, the highest I got them was 26. Now I am furiously supplementing, 4000 IU/2 days, I'm curious if I managed to go anywhere near 30 -- my doctor's "goal". I think it should be even higher...

Thanks again for the MSM/L-Glutamine pointers! Those are huge doses, wow...
 

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I would get some Bio D Forte (Biotics Research), the bottle that has 2,000 IU per drop. I'm taking 20,000 IU a day right now. I think you should take more. Recent studies in the natural health industry suggest our bodies NEED 7,000 to 8,000 IU per day...so if you are trying to RAISE levels, you'll need to take more than that. Besides, like Dr. K says, us Hashimotos people have trouble assimilating vitamin d. He has good results with the emulsified vitamin d. Each bottle lasts quite a long time, even at 10 drops (20,000 IU). The vitamin d toxity scare is way overblown. You would have to take several hundred thousand IU a day for months.

It's hard to figure out treatment with Dr K because he doesnt list supplement names. Thats because he wants people to go see a specialist who is trained in his treatment. That makes sense because its so hard to do it on your own. I cant afford to see a Dr. K trained doctor. DR K has a line of products made by Apex Energetics (his products are numbered "K-22" or "K-34" . In his book he says he gets everyone on emulsified vitamin d and a glutathion/SOD cream. The cream is called Oxi-Cell. Anyhow, my chiropractor is an Applied Kinesiologist who can do muscle testing. Not sure if you are familiar with that method. It's amazing. Your body through muscle testing can tell the doctor if your body will respond positively to certain supplements. Interestingly, the Oxi-Cell cream didn't strengthen me (meaning no effect). But PROTANDIM did. Look up Protandim on PubMed. It raises Glutathione and SOD, which is what DR. K's cream is supposed to do. His cream is about $50 for a 3 week supply. Protandim is about $50 a month. Also, my body strengthened BIG TIME to the emulsified vitamin d. If you are interested in the Protandim, email me. My friend is a distributor and they have shipping distribution FROM within Europe. Jeff @ TheHermannTeam . com. It's $40 plus shipping.

Lastly, as you know Dr K says either Th1 or Th2 is most dominant. He says 90% are Th1 dominant. He has two products (X-FLM and X-Virumen). X-FLM stimulates Th2 (if you are Th1 dominant). I didnt want to spend hundreds of dollars on a Th1/Th2 blood test...so one option is to do a test with the products. For 3 days, take 2 capsules 3 times a day (6 total per day) of the X-Virumen. See how you feel. Skip a day. Then do the same 3 day test with X-FLM. See which one you feel better on. You can order sample packs from OVitaminPro.com (but you need to call them for the sample packs). Each sample pack has 6 capsules, so you would need 3 packs of each (they cost $3.50 per pack).

Anyhow, since my doctor can do muscle testing, instead of doing the test I just described...I just had him muscle test me on the 2 different products. My body strengthened to X-FLM (which means I'm one of the 90% who are Th1 dominant). My body did not strengthen on the X-Virumen so it had no effect. I just started on the X-FLM yesterday.

The key to auto-immune is modulating the immune system. Vitamin d, Glutathione and SOD (Protandim will be more effective than Dr. K's cream), and the X-FLM (or X-Virumen) should do that according to Dr. K. That's where I'm at.
 

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Thank you so much for all that information, Jeff!

I don't remember what got me convinced that I needed to get more glutathione in my system -- some form of experimenting with nutrients, as per Dr. K's recommendations. Then I started to take DLPA in the hope that some of that would end up as glutathione. I think I might take that up again, it looks pretty good whenever I look at that path...

I also found some Korean cosmetic creams (the BB stuff, but I bet you aren't familiar with that craze) that had glutathione in them -- I use them on my neck and face. This kinda stuff.

As to the whole Th1/Th2 balancing act... I am a bit afraid to go there, thinking that I might awaken the real monster, SLE, that is for now quite tame. I read things like:

Extensive studies have focused on cytokines and T-helper cells in the peripheral blood of SLE patients in vitro and in vivo. However, reports on the Th1/Th2 imbalance in SLE have been inconsistent [18–21]. From serological measurements, SLE is often considered to be a Th-2-mediated disease in the early stages [19], but the Th-1 commitment may replace the Th-2 pathway and take over the progression of SLE to active nephritis [22]. Nevertheless, it should be noted that T lymphocytes are activated at the site of disease involvement, and study of peripheral blood mononuclear cells may therefore give misleading results.

So... What if I balance Hashimoto's (which can't kill me) and awaken SLE (which can)?

Are you still doing paleo? Have you read Cate Shanahan's admission that it may lead to hypothyroidism?
 

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No, I quite paleo 3 days ago when I discovered Ray Peat! :)

Interesting about the SLE. Do you have Lupus too?

That is what is so great about Applied Kinesiology and muscle testing. There is no guessing or "try taking this and see if this helps (or hurts!)". Your body literally tells you and the doctor what it needs, what will work and what wont work to help solve whatever the problem is. They can muscle test very specific pathways, every organ, etc etc. By the way, Dr. K is also an Applied Kinesiologist himself. My doctor actually went to Chiropractor school with Dr. K. He said they hung out together in a group (their "group" were those also getting their Applied Kinesiology degrees). Anyhow, my doctor said Dr. K's book is next on his list. I'm basically helping my doctor by bringing in the Dr. K products to test on me because he isn't familiar with Dr. K's treatment methods nor products.

I wonder if there are any Applied Kinesiologists near you in France??? I would search for one and see for yourself how muscle testing works. It's truly amazing. The only thing that doesn't lie in health care is your own body! :) It's amazing how one moment your arm or leg can easily withstand your doctor's attempt to pull it in a certain direction...but then when you touch an accupressure point on your body (ie. the thyroid, liver, small intestine, etc) your doctor can easily move your arm or leg as hard as you try to resist. That would tell you and the doctor that you have a problem there. Then the doctor can muscle test various substances/nutriceuticals/etc on that weak point. You will know when you have found a substance that will work, because your arm or leg will suddenly "strengthen" and you'll be able to resist the doctor pulling on your arm or leg...even though you are still touching that weak point. That's how it works. No guessing at diagnosis or treatment. This is how I knew to take glutamine and MSM for leaky gut (although that's evident in literature already) as well as coconut oil and celtic sea salt. And recently the K-FLM and Protandim.

I couldnt imagine trying to treat myself without Applied Kinesiology. For one, it saves a ton of money on trial and error and guessing what to take.

I know there are practitioners in Europe. There is the International College of Applied Kinesiolgy (www.ICAK.com). Unfortunately the website seems to be down.
 

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About SLE: I see two rheumatologists here -- one thinks I do, another thinks I don't. My Anti-dsDNA is over 100 (normal, <25). Anti-ANA tested once feebly positive, the second time negative, so they didn't even redo Anti-dsDNA (French lab policy, very frustrating). So one doctor would rather see me on antimalarials, the other thinks I should stop worrying... Very confusing.

I am seriously considering going to an applied kinesiologist in this case... I was even thinking of going to the States for Dr. K, but then this SLE thing hit and I kind of stopped worrying about Hashimoto's as much and began to see it all as a much bigger issue -- I can't even explain. I want to control my autoantibodies, ALL OF THEM!

I am even going in directions I never thought I'd consider, like Jin Shin Jyutsu.

Or maybe Anatabloc will zap them.

Or OJ and gelatin...:) That would be nice!

Thank you so much for all your advice! You came to "ask for help" and ended up dispensing it! :)
 

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Ok, I guess I better speak up here since no one else is. All these treatments and stuff are no where near being close to Ray Peat. If you speak to Ray he would probably allude that your issues stem from metabolic breakdown. And to truly get the metabolism fired back up you need to support the thyroid via good diet and also a few support agents.
 

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Charlie, that's because both myself and Jeff are newbies to the Ray Peat diet and we don't have a lot to share on this front -- but we had both explored the "outside world" and we shared our experiences with that.

Jeff's situation doesn't seem so difficult to fix, compared to mine, and I hope he will have good news very soon after following the advice here.

If I get my multiple kinds of autoantibodies down, believe me, I will spread the word! :) In a way, that is part of why I am here -- I felt it was somehow my responsibility to account for my experience with the Ray Peat protocol, especially that I was such a serious case of "autoimmunity".

My most vivid hope is that Dr. Peat is right and I will get better following his advice. I can't wait to get my next labs!

The alternative for me would be very damaging long term medication if I'm to listen to the rheumatologist who thinks I have SLE.

So far, as I said, I feel like I have more energy and a bit less pain (in my hands and heels, that's where it is concentrated). However, I haven't supplemented with thyroid yet and my Progest-e experience was a little disconcerting -- very powerful stuff! I think I converted an important part of it into estrogen, actually.

I am very intrigued by Dr. Peat's opinion that the immune system's main role is in "cleansing" the system of debris. I thought many times that the Anti-dsDNA in my system were consistent with cell fragments needing to be eliminated. The echography of my thyroid showed that it had broken down -- it had a normal size, but it had a non-homogenous aspect. Endocrinologist no. 1 thought that the antibodies were "eating it up" and they always will be and I should stop checking on their titer -- they will always be there, sometimes in higher, other times in lower amounts, chiseling away at my poor thyroid. What caused them to "arise"? Probably a very stressful event in my life. Was there anything that had happened to me recently? Yes, my mother's death. Bingo! Problem solved, in her mind, that's what made me "autoimmune" and there was nothing medical science could do for me -- except to wait for my thyroid to completely break down so they can put me on replacement hormones. Endocrinologist no. 2 thought the same thing and she was amazed that my thyroid, despite being "under constant attack" seemed to be putting out normal amounts of hormones. She said to check up on it every three months and come back for treatment when the free T4 levels were off.

Why would my body act like that? Had I inadvertently pressed on a "begin self-destruct sequence" while mourning for my mom?

One of the explanations I came up with was that Anti-Gliadins that had been forever cleaning up after my lifelong gluten ingestion, once I went Paleo, low carb & gluten-free, were left without an enemy and, being intreprid little soldiers, they started a friendly fire on the thyroid, whose molecules resemble those of the gluten protein... Then Anti-TPO and Anti-TGO, as well as some Anti-dsDNA were formed to clean up after that carnage. That would explain the lowering of the AntiTPO in the next few months. And maybe the feet/hand pains have no SLE connection, being just a symptom of a progressively impaired thyroid function and lowered progesterone, encouraged by my continous low carbing, and could be fixed with the respective hormones and a higher metabolic rate.

I secretly hope I will never go back for treatment to any of my five, no, seven doctors (one GP, two endocrinologists, two rheumies, two gynecologists) -- is that too much to ask? :)
 

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What about low dose naltrexone (LDN)?

I got interested in it after reading Peatarian's posts here and read through the thread on this forum and then the one on longecity.

There is this post in particular: http://www.longecity.org/forum/topi...rexone-for-longevity/page__st__30#entry301462

On the positive side my Thyroid Antibodies have dropped from 900 to 290...a huge drop..

Also the first poster on this thread doesn't mention antibody levels, but mentions finally being able to maintain a consistent 98+ temp after starting LDN: http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6397

The interesting question is what is the mechanism? Peat has been quoted saying that he believes the actual opiod antagonism is what produces the positive outcome, whereas the doctor who developed the treatment (Dr. Bernard Bihari) believed it was the body's rebound of increaded beta-endorphin and met-enkephalin once the blockade wears off that modulate the T-cell response in conditions as diverse as cancer and autoimmune disease.

This paper sums up latter theory: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...t4GgDw&usg=AFQjCNFW5-JNsqmTiQgu5IK7RDkZ7SS_mQ

My thought is that they could both be right in different contexts, since the example Peat mentioned involved women who experienced immediate relief of their symptoms after taking LDN, which would have been during the period where the receptor blockade was still active.
 

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One other idea that strikes me as valid and useful (and frankly I can't remember if I read this from Peat, Dr. Derry, Dr K. or someone on STTM) is that in Hashimotos you can supress the gland completely, as measured by a TSH around 0.1, with enough thyroid hormone and that will lower antibodies, but that if you are taking any of the natural dessicated thyroid extracts your body may still be producing antibodies to the porcine-derived thyroid tissue in the pill. In this case, synthetics like cynomel are probably especially helpful.

Of course if something like LDN corrects the immune response, worrying about this shouldn't even be necessary...
 

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jnhermann said:
To heal your gut, you definitely need to take 10 grams of L-glutamine every day on an empty stomach (critical for healing gut tissue) and an hour before consuming any food (easiest to take upon waking up).

Just a note, guys, on this Glutamine thing.
I confess my ignorance on the bio-chemistry:
the differences between glutamate and glutamine and glutamic acid and glutathione.
But still:
Before I was Peatian, I also was on the Glutamine thing,
and I took high doses thinking it would be good for a leaky gut.

I didn't have any big, immediate, dramatic reaction either way that I could tell.
But when I became Peatian I revisited glutamine
because I was craving nutritional yeast.

Peat doesn't like glutamate.
He considers it an excito-toxin, I believe.
We had a thread on this (or that got onto this) subject a while back.
I will try to find it.

I think Peat would say that a lot of gelatin would be his preferred angle for gut healing,
along with all the other proper Peat foods
(and the removal of all the many non-Peatian foods which cause stress and inflammation in the gut).
 

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Very interesting stuff indeed... I am, again, tempted to try...:)

But I see they keep promoting this idea of the "mistaken identity" which doesn't sit well with me. Our bodies have to be more clever than that! OK, if and when the molecules do resemble, let's say by accident, one another, like it is said about gliadins and thyroid, fine... It's not Nature's fault -- we weren't supposed to break down the poor grains, cook them and eat them like there were no cows left on Earth or something... But what about all the others "antibodies" who just go and kill innocent self tissues? That's where Dr. Peat's theories ring so true to me -- those guys have to be simply cleaning up, not killing up, and the breakdown was caused by poor nutrition or... who knows? Excessive exercise, maybe :) (Anything for a good excuse not to move)

There was another interesting study on the effect of a certain benzodiazepine, BZ-423 on SLE -- when I first found out about my Anti-dsDNA, after reading that, I went on a "treatment", taking 5mg/night of Valium, courtesy of my Dad who can get anything he wants from any pharmacist in his hometown :) I know, that doesn't sound too impressive, but it was enough to make my GP roll her eyes and wish I stopped self-medicating before I get myself really sick. Like a little Valium was going to kill me... I think it was a good idea for the amount of stress and worry I had to deal with... I stopped when I realized I had begun to need it to fall asleep.
 

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Isadora-

I was diagnosed as having Hashimoto's about 5 years ago,
so I've been wrestling with it too.

I just came across this thread
and in glossing over the discussion
I would echo Charlie's take:
not a lot of the angles y'all are working are very Peatian.
Don't get me wrong:
I'm not saying Peat has a lock on the truth.
And I'm not saying it's wrong to discuss non-Peat treatments here.

I'm just saying that--since you guys do seem to be new to Peat--
as you learn more about Peat's ideas
you will probably discard some of your enthusiasm for the various treatments you're discussing:
the AntaBloc (or whatever it is) and the glutamine come to mind.
Again, not trying to be a know-it-all or a censor: just pointing out the UnPeatianity :lol: .

And in general with Peat stuff:
I don't expect instant results
and I tend to be more interested in his more quotidian recommendations--
avoiding PUFA, getting fruit, cheese, milk, coffee, gelatin, vitamin e, pregnenolone, etc--
than his various pharma recommendations.
I kinda feel like many are attracted to that peripheral aspect of Peat
because it is the most glamorous--promises fast, dramatic results with the mere popping of a pill.
Danny Roddy, if you follow his blog,
has said the same thing: the "boring" Peat stuff helped him the most.
Over time.

So, for instance on the Leaky Gut thing:
the boring Peat angle there would definitely include eating the daily Peat carrot salad
(and I'd include his suggested salt, vinegar, and coconut oil).
I think you might also include Peat's potato extract soup (see threads here on this).

And most centrally: appropriate thyroid supplementation if needed.
This is for some a difficult issue.
I've been on a Peat diet, red light, etc for about a year now.
Honestly, I have not seen dramatic improvement.
But I've come to think this is because I have never gotten my Thyroid straightened out.
I think I may have thyroid resistance--a phenomenon which is a little obscure within PeatDom.
I think I may be a kinduv rare case in that way:
it would seem that most respond well to naturally dessicated thyroid or T4/T3 combos
both of which Peat recommends.
But I think I may be in a relatively small subset of people who are resistant--for different reasons--
to NDT and CynoPlus (synthetic T4/T3, which Peat takes) and to straight T4.

My general suggestion would be,
if you are favorably inclined from your introduction to Peat,
take the time to educate up on his ideas,
put them into practice in your life and diet,
and give it some time to assess results.
Just for instance: I haven't heard you guys mention a word about Red Light.
Peat says it may be The Most Fundamental ingredient for health.
"The."
 
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narouz said:
Just for instance: I haven't heard you guys mention a word about Red Light.
Peat says it may be The Most Fundamental ingredient for health.
"The."

Thanks for emphasizing that narouz. I just started using the lights after 10 months of Peating!

I wonder though if waiting had some positive side. Peat advised in an article to postpone exercising or accelerating the metabolic rate until one has lowered the PUFA in the body. That was one of the hardest quotes to understand for me. I wonder if using red light before avoiding PUFAs for some time is good, or if red light is fine due to the some detail of how it works.
 

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I think the quicker you can add red light the better. Again, starting slow and working up as always with everything.
 

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Ray Peat said:
Penetrating red light is possibly the fundamental anti-stress factor for all organisms. The chronic deficiency of such light is, I think, the best explanation for the deterioration which occurs with aging. Enzyme changes, free radical changes, structural and respiratory changes are all involved as consequences of darkness stress.
 
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