Has Anyone Asked Peat What His Daily Diet Is Actually Like?

[Strongbad]

I'll be really really really surprised if he consumes nothing but OJ, sugar, coffee, coconut oil, gelatin and ice cream everyday.

Yes, I'm aware he's not advocating certain type of diets nor that his diet is one-size-fits-all all that jazz... This has been discussed many times.

BUT I bet his diet is actually more balanced and "normal " than we all think. I'm pretty sure even he thinks that excessive use of OJ, coffee, coconut oil and sugar is crazy nuts.

Obviously he avoids PUFA. We know that. We also knows that he likes coffee and drinks it a lot.

But other than that, we don't know much about his daily regimen. If he were to have a perfect diet/food for a day, what would his breakfast be like? His lunch? Dinner? Does he eat occasional snacks in between? If so, what snacks? What supplements does he take in the morning, noon, evening, before sleep or if he takes any? Does he partake in any stress-removal activities on daily basis?

None of us really knows.

I bet once we get a very good, detailed descriptions of what his daily diet and routine is like, then we can integrate it into our dietary regimen with some fine-tuning here and there.

Yes I know that there's argument that there's no such thing as Peat diet. Just learn Peat ideas and figure out the diet ourself. But as witnessed in this forum, it can lead to extremities and misinterpretation. Not to mention that we are all social beings and suggestible to groupthink. Eat this, drink that...

 

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No, no one has ever asked him.

 

[milk_lover]

Yeah that would be very useful to know. In his last danny interview, he mentioned that in mexico milk, oj, and eggs were (still are?) his staple food because they were relatively cheap, unadulterated, and they provide most of the nutrients. So basically they stemmed from necessity if you think about it. I doubt he limits his food to those now, it will be boring. He mentioned coffee that he used to drink a lot of it but after he supplemented thyroid, he drank less. I am pretty sure he eats steak and coke from time to time I heard it in one of the KMUD interviews. Maybe someone can ask him those questions, I am pretty sure we're going to learn a great deal of info.

 

[Such_Saturation]

post 118976 No, no one has ever asked him.

 

[Westside PUFAs]

Yes. From Sept. 2014:

"1. sprinter - "I would love to hear everything Ray Peat consumes for one week. Including all food and supplements. 10 days would be even better."

Ray Peat - "The details vary slightly according to what's available. Daily, milk, fruit (mainly orange juice), eggs, butter, cheese, and coffee. As available, liver, shrimp, squid, oysters, cod, sole, ox-tail soup, chicharrones (puffed pork rind), sapotas, pawpaws, cherimoyas, guanabanas, guavas, carrots, bamboo shoots, small turnips, corundas. "

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post 118974 Obviously he avoids PUFA.

Well, not exactly. Eggs, oysters, and shrimp have a decent amount of pufa. He avoids vegetable oils.

post 118974 I bet once we get a very good, detailed descriptions of what his daily diet and routine is like, then we can integrate it into our dietary regimen with some fine-tuning here and there.

I think that way of thinking is a bad idea. You will see what Peat himself thinks about that in the upcoming documentary, "On The Back Of A Tiger."

“Since the contextuality of communication is always in the foreground when I talk or write, you know that someone is confusing me with an authority when they talk about my ‘protocol’ for something. Context is everything, and it’s individual and empirical.” - RP

 

[Ras]

29 December 2013 he told me:

Currently, cheese, orange juice, milk, coffee, eggs, crab, liver, occasional oysters, Mexican coke.

 

[HDD]

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Ray Peats own personal diet from:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AV ... ssage/5523

Okay, Bruce, this is a summary from my correspondance with her about
what Ray Peat eats (or ate, if he's changed things) and what he
recommends. This is from 2005.

- dairy, fruit and meat are the core of his diet.

dairy for the protein, calcium, and other nutrients
fruits (or other sugars as 2nd choice) for the KAs and EAAs
gelatin to balance the aminos and to replace the need for eating
animal brains and other organs muscle meat as a supplement for
protein magnesium, etc.

- he gets from 120 to 150 grams of protein per day. Doesn't feel quite
right when he goes as low as 100. A few quarts of milk, several ounces
of cheese, gelatin in some form (broth, chicharrones, gummy bears,
etc.), at least a quart of orange juice (or equivalent other fruit),
and the occasional (rotating) eggs, shellfish, fish, and beef, bison,
or lamb, in one or two of his meals.

- says one must always balance protein with sugar (fruit being the
best) because protein alone lowers blood sugar and you need the sugar
to better metabolize the protein. So when he eats protein, he eats
sugar with it: about 1:1 fruit to meat, and about 2:1 fruit to cheese.

- says best to limit meat due to the tryptophan and antimetabolic
properties, but it can be handled if consumed with fruit and gelatin.
He does eat meat almost every day, or just beef or lamb broth When
the meat is aged he doesn't like the taste so he doesn't eat much of it.

- he eats meat with gelatin. The gelatin can be either from regular
powder or from broth cooked no more than 3 hours (otherwise you
degrade the nutrients he says).

- he avoids all fatty fish.

- says chicken should be eaten no more than one meal every 10 days due
to toxins and PUFAs.

- eggs where the chickens are fed corn and soy should be minimally
consumed (for him 2 per week if that), and with one egg you need about
10 ounces of OJ to balance it (because egg protein is a powerful
insulin activator).

- he eats shellfish about once every ten days. Shrimp, scallops,
lobsters have a high ratio of protein to unsaturated fat and help to
insure adequate selenium. Cooks them thoroughly, having known people
who got hepatitis from raw seafood.

- rotates his animal protein sources only because he gets tired of the
same meals, no health reason

- he avoids most vegetables due to their intrinsic (defensive) toxins.
He occasionally makes leaf broth for some extra minerals, but usually
prefers for a cow to process them for him. Mainly he thinks of them as
condiments.

- underground (root/tuber) vegetables are okay if cooked for about 40
minutes, and fruit-vegetables (tomatoes, peppers) are okay if you're
not allergic to them.

- he avoids all other above-ground vegetables, including greens and
many herbs (basil, etc) due to toxins (even if cooked) that far
outweigh the benefits.

- says that cooked young squashes are generally good for everyone, and
although raw shredded carrots are "nutrient subtractive," it's good to
have a plate of them every day because they lower estrogen (and thus
stimulate the thyroid) and accelerate peristalsis.

- he avoids fermented foods. Stopped using black pepper (a fermented
food, apparently) about 30 years ago when he saw the toxicity studies.
Avoids things like apple cider because it is frequently contaminated
with fungal poisons. Says that the more nutritious it is, the more
likely to contain fungal estrogen and other harmful things, unless you
know the actual materials and process used in making it.
Lacto-fermented foods are carcinogenic. Cheese is okay being fermented
because of the strong nutrients in the milk to start with that
vegetables don't have.

- says reason for people's negative reactions to dairy (if the milk
isn't contaminated) is from either preexisting gut damage (from
gluten, for example) or from a low thyroid or protein deficiency
problem. People who are under stress from low thyroid or protein
deficiency have considerable trouble adapting he says, but with
gradual changes (adding dairy back in) the tissues will adjust and do
what they have to do.

- says to eat liver only occasionally because it depresses the thyroid.

- he doesn't eat fruits with seeds that can't be avoided (berries,
figs, etc) because while the antioxidants are good, the benefits are
less than the toxins in the seeds. Other fruits like peaches, plums,
apples, etc should only be eaten if organic and tree-ripened;
otherwise they have very powerful toxins (if unripe or shelf-ripened)
that can cause gut damage. Melons, cherries, and citrus are the best
fruits.

- when off-season, says it's better to eat frozen fruit and juice
rather than rely on importation because many studies show that storage
methods and stress from importation and treatments make them carcinogenic.

- with cheese and milk, the feeding of the animals (grassfed vs.
grainfed) is more the issue than raw vs. pasteurized.

- he avoids all grains. Traditional "proper preparation" methods used
throughout the world to render them less harmful involved using
alkaline mediums such as wood ash (as opposed to "acidic" as Sally
Fallon suggests) and "lime" as in calcium oxide (as opposed to "lime
or lemon juice" as Sally Fallon asserts). Research shows that that
these methods will convert some of the tryptophan to niacin. Using
whey would be especially ineffective as well as problematic due to the
tryptophan.

 

[Such_Saturation]

post 118974
BUT I bet his diet is actually more balanced and "normal " than we all think. I'm pretty sure even he thinks that excessive use of OJ, coffee, coconut oil and sugar is crazy nuts

... the man orders specialty fully hydrogenated coconut oil by the barrel :?

 

[Vita3]

He eats also mushrooms, turnips

 

[tca300]

post 118974
BUT I bet his diet is actually more balanced and "normal " than we all think. I'm pretty sure even he thinks that excessive use of OJ, coffee, coconut oil and sugar is crazy nuts

... the man orders specialty fully hydrogenated coconut oil by the barrel :?

You don't?!?

 

[DaveFoster]

... the man orders specialty fully hydrogenated coconut oil by the barrel :?

Genius. This man's gonna be

.

 

[Zachs]

Yea, see, imitating his diet or all his recommendations is a bit crazy because it's so highly personal. Some are allergic to citrus or milk or coconut, etc. Some just don't do well without starch or greens. It's about what your current health is and what you are trying to fix. His guidelines are for general health and wellbeing but that doesn't mean that everyone on earth needs to avoid bananas or bread.

Or you can be like Danny Roddy and eat only things Ray has ever reccomended.

 

[thegiantess]

... And puzzle solved, in the newest Generative Energy with DR, he says he eats mostly eggs, milk, cheese and all the ripe tropical fruits he can handle. Oh and mushrooms. He eats mushrooms, with cheese of course.

 

[Such_Saturation]

post 119032

post 118974
BUT I bet his diet is actually more balanced and "normal " than we all think. I'm pretty sure even he thinks that excessive use of OJ, coffee, coconut oil and sugar is crazy nuts

... the man orders specialty fully hydrogenated coconut oil by the barrel :?

You don't?!?

If you wanna know I eat a shitty $5 coconut oil that goes bad after two weeks and has these annoying coconut crumbs left inside

 

[tara]

post 119040 Yea, see, imitating his diet or all his recommendations is a bit crazy because it's so highly personal. Some are allergic to citrus or milk or coconut, etc. Some just don't do well without starch or greens. It's about what your current health is and what you are trying to fix. His guidelines are for general health and wellbeing but that doesn't mean that everyone on earth needs to avoid bananas or bread.

Yeah, and Peat probably doesn't need as much Mg, for example, as some people do because he's got his thyroid function up and may not lose it as fast.

 

[scarlettsmum]

Also, I was going to add that in the latest DR podcast he revealed that he was/is (?) hyperthyroid. So that explains why he's doing so well with such liquid diet!

 

[thegiantess]

I think he said he was hyperthyroid when he was like 16. That was a long, long time ago. I didn't gather that his diet is heavy liquid. Eggs, cheese, tropical fruits and milk. Doesn't say high liquid to me.

 

[tobieagle]

post 119171 Also, I was going to add that in the latest DR podcast he revealed that he was/is (?) hyperthyroid. So that explains why he's doing so well with such liquid diet!

post 119175 I think he said he was hyperthyroid when he was like 16. That was a long, long time ago. I didn't gather that his diet is heavy liquid. Eggs, cheese, tropical fruits and milk. Doesn't say high liquid to me.

No, he was hypermetabolic (=/= hyperthyroid) back in the days.
After taking thyroid his metbolic rate decreased (increased efficiency) and he could get along with 3k-4k calories per day from there on.


And why is this a liquid diet?
Many people drink 3 liters of water per day + the amount of water in their foods.

If you can't handle that much milk or fruit juice, don't drink it directly from the fridge (temperature matters).
Or you can add sugar and salt to increase the osmolarity.

 

[scarlettsmum]

well i was comparing that to that of hypothyroid person (me) where I don't handle liquids very well. Once you take away starches and if you were to replace half daily calories with fruit, that would be a lot of liquid for me and possible other hypothyroid people. All I'm saying that maybe there may be some connection with person's metabolic health and their eating preferences. I crave starch because it is dry. Whereas perhaps hyperthyroid person craves more liquid...just saying

 

[scarlettsmum]

post 119176

post 119171 Also, I was going to add that in the latest DR podcast he revealed that he was/is (?) hyperthyroid. So that explains why he's doing so well with such liquid diet!

post 119175 I think he said he was hyperthyroid when he was like 16. That was a long, long time ago. I didn't gather that his diet is heavy liquid. Eggs, cheese, tropical fruits and milk. Doesn't say high liquid to me.

No, he was hypermetabolic (=/= hyperthyroid) back in the days.
After taking thyroid his metbolic rate decreased (increased efficiency) and he could get along with 3k-4k calories per day from there on.


And why is this a liquid diet?
Many people drink 3 liters of water per day + the amount of water in their foods.

If you can't handle that much milk or fruit juice, don't drink it directly from the fridge (temperature matters).
Or you can add sugar and salt to increase the osmolarity.

the temperature thing is a new one for me, thanks for the tip.