Harvard Ivory Towers Are Going After Salt This Time

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    Excess sodium intake linked to 1.65 million deaths annually

    Global Sodium Consumption and Death from Cardiovascular Causes

    Bayesian quantifications crossed with estimates as estimated by meta-analysises :mrgreen: 1.650.000 deaths

    <<The NutriCode investigators should be applauded for a herculean effort in synthesizing a large body of data regarding the potential harm of excess salt consumption. However, given the numerous assumptions necessitated by the lack of high-quality data, caution should be taken in interpreting the findings of the study. Taken together, these three articles highlight the need to collect high-quality evidence on both the risks and benefits of low-sodium diets.>>
     
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    Where do they find these people? It's embarrassing. And who in their right minds parts with the hard cash to finance such comedies?
     
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    Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation :roll:
     
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    "Heroic" and "Herculean Effort"! Are they kidding? Let us never forget that chances are the first thing a person will get is a salt water IV if they end up in the Emergency room. Medical workers can use salt to help save lives but the general public just can't handle such a dangerous substance (that's sarcasm)! The American Heart Association (along with the FDA)had an article on this very topic several months ago and there is a proposal to lower the daily intake recommendations for sodium. That article was commenting on the bravery of the researchers for tackling the issue. What a joke. This issue alone speaks volumes on the stupidity that is rampant in 'medicine'. Sorry, just had to rant.
     
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    I don't know whether it's a good find since they have the power to plaster it all over the major newspapers :mrgreen: The Gates Foundation usually has better wisdom in donating money... of course, they donate vaccines largely for population control [sic] so lowering salt sort of makes sense.
     
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    Yes, sadly it does make perfect sense :shock: .
     
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    I heard this on NPR this morning.
    I was wondering how they designed the study and
    interpreted their data
    to arrive at their conclusion....
    :roll:
     
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    It's just another way to keep the masses weak, sick and dependent on the medical system imo. Sorry to repeat myself (I've said it in another thread). You're right narouz it would be great to see their science. I would really like to see a balanced view point presented to the public about the very real dangers of hyponatremia/low sodium. In all fairness to salt it is necessary for life. I suppose the medical propaganda machine doesn't want to confuse us commoners with the facts.
     
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    Sodium controversy: More fuel for the fire

    Three large international studies addressing sodium intake’s effect on blood pressure and on cardiovascular and mortality outcomes are not likely to quell the controversy surrounding this issue. Rather, since the findings of one study directly oppose those of the other two, the results promise to fan the flames a bit higher.

    Sodium and blood pressure: PURE
    The investigators found, after multivariate adjustment, that for each 1-g increment in sodium excretion, there was an increment of 2.11 mm Hg in systolic blood pressure and 0.78 mm Hg in diastolic blood pressure (P less than .001 for both) for all areas of the globe.

    However, this correlation was nonlinear. The association between sodium and blood pressure was weak in the largest subset of participants who had an excretion of 3-5 g/day, and was nonsignificant in those who had an excretion of less than 3 g/day.

    The association between sodium intake and blood pressure was stronger in people who had an excretion of more than 5 g/day and in those who already had hypertension at baseline. It also increased with increasing patient age.

    Sodium and cardiovascular mortality: PURE
    Surprisingly, the lowest risk of death and CV events was seen not in people with the recommended levels of sodium excretion but in those whose sodium excretion was much higher, at 3-6 g/day. Risks actually increased at levels of sodium excretion that were lower than 3 g/day, as is recommended, as well as at levels that were higher than 6 g/day. Moreover, the association between high sodium excretion and high CV and mortality risk was significant only among adults who already had hypertension at baseline.

    "The projected benefits of low sodium intake ... are derived from models ... that assume a linear relationship between sodium intake and blood pressure and between blood pressure and cardiovascular events. Implicit in these guidelines is the assumption that there is no unsafe lower limit of sodium intake,"

    Sodium and cardiovascular mortality: NUTRICODE
    These investigators quantified sodium intake in 66 countries (accounting for 74% of adults throughout the world) by age, sex, and country of residence, and correlated these data first with findings from their meta-analysis of 107 randomized trials of interventions to curb sodium intake and then with the results of two large international trials linking the effects of various blood pressure levels on CV mortality.

    They estimated that the mean level of sodium intake worldwide is 3.95 g/day and that those mean levels varied by geographic region from a low of 2.18 g to a high of 5.51 g. "Overall, 181 of 187 countries – 99.2% of the adult population of the world – had estimated mean levels of sodium intake exceeding the World Health Organization recommendation of 2.0 g/day,"

    Extrapolating from these data, "we found that 1.65 million deaths from CV causes worldwide in 2010 were attributable to sodium consumption above the reference level"
     
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    So basically (millions and millions of dollars to find this out):

    1. Salt increases your blood pressure if you have low blood pressure

    2. If your veins are ruined by PUFA or whatever, they might not tolerate the blood pressure of a normal person.
     
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