ecstatichamster
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@ecstatichamster have you tried goat milk?
I have not. Do you suggest it?
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@ecstatichamster have you tried goat milk?
That's because most white Americans are northwest European (English/Irish/German).You're the first Caucasian I've heard of that suffered through lactose intolerance.
I think lactase production is a youth-trait. Not only does it fall off after weaning, but there are also studies out there that show 60 year olds having lower lactase rates than 25 year olds. So it makes sense that rejuvenating the body in other ways would increase it.Somewhere Dr Peat said healthy thyroid levels allow someone to become lactose tolerant.
Yeah. It won't hurt to try it once and see how you feel.I have not. Do you suggest it?
goat milk is really good for casein problems but it doesn't seem that's your issue; but it can't hurt to try. Maybe try a lactase pill?I have not. Do you suggest it?
In my experience the best way to tolerate milk is to drink it with foods.I heard sipping milk in small quantities as opposed to drinking a whole cup at once helps with milk digestion. But in general, goat milk is a pretty tolerated milk. My aunts feed it to their kids who have problems with cow milk.
Even if the food is some sort of starch like white rice and white bread?In my experience the best way to tolerate milk is to drink it with foods.
It makes sense. I know a friend who can't even tolerate cheese but he can tolerate thousands of cheese slices if they were inside a burger..If I drank a glass of milk without anything else, I would spend at least half an hour going to the toilet and heavy farting/bloating. Obviously I have years without doing this hahaha I need to eat starch, fruits, protein, something else that is as least an small meal.
Si, if I have 5 meals I could drink up to 1.5 L of milk a day without diarrhea. But I could have some gas, which I enjoy when I’m home
BTW, the most anabolic diet I ever did was one on 6 meals, at least 5, which one of it main ingredients was something called “Get Big!” Which simply was a DIY recipe with: 2 L of milk, banana, ice cream, 3 or 6 boiled eggs, olive oil, powder protein. Sadly I wasn’t able to sustain such a demanding regime, and I was under heavy stress at the time, but I packed 11 Kg of weight in a month and 2 weeks. Obviously with some fat, but muscle growth was obvious. I’m planning to do a Peatier versión of it as soon as I have some extra money.
There was an experiment on black people in the US who seemed to have trouble drinking milk, they started with small quantities of milk along each food and increasing them slowly for a few weeks, they ended up tolerating up to a glass without problem.It makes sense. I know a friend who can't even tolerate cheese but he can tolerate thousands of cheese slices if they were inside a burger..
In my experience the best way to tolerate milk is to drink it with foods.
I’m not sure the issue revolves around lactose.
I have gas and explosive diarrhea 4 hours after having milk, whether it’s pasteurized or raw, even taking massive amounts of lactase pills with it.
I also thought the issue was too low stomach acid, so I tried having the milk during and after a meat meal, still explosive diarrhea.
Maybe it really is the nature’s way of telling us we really shouldn’t be drinking other species milk.
Milk is often cited here as an example of why mixing sugar and fat can’t possibly be bad, because if babies can thrive on it, how can it be bad for adults.
The fact is the main purpose of milk is to add massive quantities of fat to the baby’s body, potentially at the cost of turning it diabetic. (Who tests babies’ blood sugar? No one ever.) Just to make it fat, and protected from impact and starvation.
By all pediatric evaluation standards, if your baby isn’t getting massively fat, and super fast, there is a major problem.
And so imagine when you as an adult put that very liquid in you, the nature has no other way to remind you that hey silly, what the hell are you doing, this is a baby cow food.
I drank a quart of milk daily for the last 4 years of peating. Only when I got off of it 3 months ago, did I start to lose excess belly fat. 5 kilos in 2 months.
Btw kudos to hamster for coming clean on his failed success story, not many people will endure the embarrassment of having to retract an initially positive enthusiastic experience once it flops. Seriously thumbs up, it makes the forum that much more useful. Too bad about the unchanged thread title though.
The topic has never been getting fat or getting shredded.
I couldn’t care less about adding a layer of fat, it’s actually desirable to buffer toxins.
The only thing we are discussing here are the reasons for intolerance.
You love reduced iron?Its seriously a problem. People think that sugary cereals and fruit juices are childish...and that mature adults eat brown rice, chicken breast, broccoli and drink lemon water. It’s absolutely disgusting.
I love my Frosted Flakes and oj. I’d like to keep my youthful energy thank you very much.
Congratulations!!It took me awhile.
So when I was growing up, I drank milk with no problems.
Even though it was decades ago. I hadn't drank milk for 40 years. But I had no problem with ice cream or cream or cheese.
When I started Peat-inspired eating I got bad diarrhea when I drank regular milk. I found that lactose-free (LF) milk worked okay.
I've tried phasing in regular milk by gradually adding it to the LF milk, but it never seemed to work.
I had also tried thyroid which didn't see to affect me. A year or so later, when my PUFAs were more depleted (I used to eat literally pounds of pistachios a week and eat 2 avocados a day etc.) thyroid began working for me.
I did a few "Steve Richfield" style "resets" and my temps with thyroid now rise into the mid 98 F. during the day. I'm still a bit hypo (waking around 97.1 or so) but it's in the right direction.
So I started phasing in regular milk again. I bought some lactase drops (liquid with lactase in water; you can buy lactase in solid form but it is loaded with excipients) and added first a few drops, then just one or two drops or so to regular milk, then mixed it and drank it with LF milk. This dose is very low.
Eventually over the past few weeks, I simply drank more of the regular milk and less of the LF milk. Now I am on a day where I do not have any LF milk at all.
One switch I made recently that may have made this easier was going to A2 milk. There are now several brands and I'm drinking Snowville milk that is not ultra pasteurized at high temps, not homogenized, and A2.
Ray Peat told me that calcium from dairy products is better absorbed than from eggshell calcium, for instance. And that there was a study in China and they found out that milk drinkers had less dementia.So just as a follow up...
I drink about 1/2 gallon of LF 1% milk a day and really do well with it.
If I eat calcium supplements I get heartburn it seems. Messes me up.
I heard Dr. Peat mentioning in passing the benefits of calcium when already part of foods you eat. Supplementing is okay for some people and for some things, but for me calcium supplementation seems to mess up my GI system so I am stopping it. I have to get calcium from eating dairy products I suppose, which is fine with me.
I saw a post of your diet in another thread from a few months ago am just curious how you made the switch? Did you add it with meals or alone? My allergies are terrible and so I am going to do an elimination diet. I don’t suspect dairy is the culprit but I need to stop eating dairy to see what will happen.Ray Peat told me that calcium from dairy products is better absorbed than from eggshell calcium, for instance. And that there was a study in China and they found out that milk drinkers had less dementia.
I also recently reintroduced milk after not having dairy products for over 3 months and can tolerate it well, without any side effects. I think, improving liver health also contributed to the positive experience.