Does anyone take Vit. A supplements? And why?maybe we should be wary of vitamin A supplements...
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Does anyone take Vit. A supplements? And why?maybe we should be wary of vitamin A supplements...
Does anyone take Vit. A supplements? And why?
Thanks, I have seen the posts on taking Vit D & K supplements. But I always assumed the right amount of Vit A can be obtained from food.Yes, it seems to be quite popular on this site, though niacinamide, caffeine, aspirin and vitamin e would be more popular...
Haidut sells retinil which has retinyl acetate. This is a form supposed to help with autism...
Accutane is prescribed for acne. This is almost the same as retinoic acid which Genereux believes is the most dangerous form.
Anyhow this association between vitamin A and healthy skin is now part of Western culture.
A link between eating carrots and excellent eyesight goes back a bit further...
Ray Peat has warned about beta carotene but this thread is the first time I have encountered any sort of underground animal (preformed) retinoid resistance!
Look out for people wearing upside down A's on their hats or around their necks!
Jokes aside, Genereux writes about babies dying from vitamin A injections in South East Asia sponsored by the West...
So his message will probably meet the same backlash as antivac campaigners have received... being ignored or being accused of being anti-science.
We should make a list of zero or near zero vitamin a foods.I noticed that mushrooms, masa harina, cocoa, oats, coconut and ox tail all are fine. I just plugged different foods into Cronometer to get an idea. Apples and pears look pretty low at about 1-3%. I'm sure there are many more and that @franko about!
I don't think you can equate the backlash with anitvax campaigners, vitamin A is found in many animal foods. People have been eating liver for millennia.Yes, it seems to be quite popular on this site, though niacinamide, caffeine, aspirin and vitamin e would be more popular...
Haidut sells retinil which has retinyl acetate. This is a form supposed to help with autism...
Accutane is prescribed for acne. This is almost the same as retinoic acid which Genereux believes is the most dangerous form.
Anyhow this association between vitamin A and healthy skin is now part of Western culture.
A link between eating carrots and excellent eyesight goes back a bit further...
Ray Peat has warned about beta carotene but this thread is the first time I have encountered any sort of underground animal (preformed) retinoid resistance!
Look out for people wearing upside down A's on their hats or around their necks!
Jokes aside, Genereux writes about babies dying from vitamin A injections in South East Asia sponsored by the West...
So his message will probably meet the same backlash as antivac campaigners have received... being ignored or being accused of being anti-science.
I don't think you can equate the backlash with anitvax campaigners, vitamin A is found in many animal foods. People have been eating liver for millennia.
But Generaux is saying it is toxic and pretty much impossible to be deficient, kind of like how Ray Peat decries PUFAs.Is once a week liver or oysters too much? Isn't this what Ray Peat suggests?I used to wonder if this is too little, but maybe this is just right, and wouldn't lead to Vitamin A overdose. In thise sense, you can still reconcile the ideas of Ray Peat and Generaux. Ray Peat is advising against deficiency, whereas Generaux is advising against overdosing on it.
Since I've always had one egg daily, and been drinking a cup of milk daily and liver/oysters once a week for 2 years since Peating, I may need to be watching out for symptoms of Vitamin A toxicity. But then again, if my thyroid is fine and I'm metabolizing well, with temps at 37C, and being in the sunlit tropics, it may never happen. Not saying I'll always be free from symptoms if I keep it up though. But the book is a long read, and I have to make sure I read it.But Generaux is saying it is toxic and pretty much impossible to be deficient, kind of like how Ray Peat decries PUFAs.
In the past I did get a Vit D test and it was on the low end of normal ( 30 ng/mL ).
I haven't gotten any blood tests recently. But I may get some in the future because I'm expecting to see some improvements and I do have past blood tests to compare it with.
Since I've always had one egg daily, and been drinking a cup of milk daily and liver/oysters once a week for 2 years since Peating, I may need to be watching out for symptoms of Vitamin A toxicity. But then again, if my thyroid is fine and I'm metabolizing well, with temps at 37C, and being in the sunlit tropics, it may never happen. Not saying I'll always be free from symptoms if I keep it up though. But the book is a long read, and I have to make sure I read it.
Have you read his his books?Has anyone looked for some correlation on this stuff with other sources?
Peat's work is backed up by many studies, and/or strong anecdotal evidence and the work of many people in varying fields, and forms a pretty cohesive, understandable model of biological systems. I'm saying this because whether or not this book on vitamin A toxicity seems credible, it is one persons work. It's easy to make a compelling rhetorical argument for something in isolation.
Perhaps we -and Ray Peat- do need to overturn our idea of Vitamin A, but if that's the case we should see more evidence for Genereux's theory. Perhaps someone ought to email Peat about this?
Yes you could compare the vitamin A injections, I was just thinking about the paranoia of vitamin A in general. The only two fat solubles I feel safe supplementing (and not everyday) are K2 and E.I agree that millennia is your friend when eating a carrot or even 3oz liver as it gives our bodies a chance to get rid of any excess retinoids in some sort of organised innate way.
It is probably similar to eating a walnut.
However swallowing a capsule of pure vitamin A or injecting 3 month olds with 100000 IU of retinol may bypass our evolutionally acquired safeguards.
Mass injecting a population with Vitamin A in spite of the occasional death is very similar to the philosophy of vaccination, where the suffering of some is justified by the supposed benefits to the many!
It's a socialist philosophy that may not have been looked at too favorably by Thomas Jefferson et al!
At least you would want to know the true risks and benefits and not rely on people with vested interests and faith in bureaucracy.
Sorry but it's literally mad that this is gaining traction. It's such a dangerous idea to spread.
People are bored, I tell you.
Have you read his his books?
How can any vitamin be so bad that it must be completely avoided? It's a vitamin for crying out loud! They'd have to rename it!
Here is a challenge for all skeptics: Read Genereux's books and debunk his theory.
This is not a religious debate — it's a falsifiable biochemical theory. So falsify it for us!
You are not debunking his theory if you don't even know what it is and cannot point out where and why it is wrong.
Otherwise, you're not disproving anything, you're just dismissing it.
I agree, but couldn't you say this for any supplement you are taking? You can go too high. There is a range optimal for your body, and you want to be in the sweet spot.I'm open to exploring further the *possibility* that some people with certain health problems that have also been taking vitamin A supplements and using vitamin A derived pharmaceutical drugs (both at the same time for years) might be suffering from a toxicity.