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[InChristAlone]

Talk about a wall of text. I got through most of it though.

I think there is a lot more complexity to the world, and the duality of exploiter and exploitee is not a great framework. Profit is priority #1 for a business, but your conclusions from this foundation are imo narrowminded and just rehash Marx. You can easily say because profit is a company's number 1 priority, they will do everything they can to make their products as safe as possible, and their workers as happy as possible, so as not to lose market share to companies who do. May sound crazy, but you can set up the rationale that way too.

I think you should read some Mises or someone else who tackles the Marxist tenants. The idea that labor is this exploited commodity and is not being paid fairly comes right from the 1800s and Marxist thought. And there are really some great explanations of what actually happens within an economy.

If you go through life with these beliefs, you are going to lose a lot, and drive high quality people away from you.

Looked up Mises and saw these quote:

"The Marxians love of democratic institutions was a stratagem only, a pious fraud for the deception of the masses. Within a socialist community there is no room left for freedom."

"A society that chooses between capitalism and socialism does not choose between two social systems; it chooses between social cooperation and the disintegration of society."

"Freedom is indivisible. As soon as one starts to restrict it, one enters upon a decline on which it is difficult to stop."

"The issue is always the same: the government or the market. There is no third solution."

"Every step which leads from capitalism toward planning is necessarily a step nearer to absolutism and dictatorship."

"Every type of socialism is unworkable because economic calculation is impossible in a socialist community."

"Every socialist is a disguised dictator."

"One must rather ask how much could be produced if competition among producers were abolished."

"The attempt to restrain prices within limits has to be given up. A government that sets out to abolish market prices is inevitably driven towards the abolition of private property."


Nice! Where has this been my whole life! I once was duped by Bernie Sanders type junk. I am so glad I woke up from that and saw the rapid decline into dictatoral control.

 

[Tarmander]

"make their products as safe as possible" so then why does McDonalds use bread with 25 ingredients that's been industrially processed instead of sourdough fermented bread with only 4 ingredients? why did coke replace sugar with high fructose corn syrup? why did ice cream brands start using carrageenan and guar gum as emulsifiers? It's cause they don't have to care about peoples health when they can produce it for so cheap that people buy it anyway because they love how cheap it is and how good it tastes.

How about the workers who in order to have a home, some food, and raise a family, have to work in a factory which gets no sunlight, they have to eat fast food junk cause they don't have time to go home and eat a fresh cooked meal, or what if they get a chronic illness cause they're body cant hold up? Your an emf guy, what about the workers who have to install emf towers in order to feed their familys? these people will just get left in the dust when they get sick, hanging on using government help, barely able to survive. Idk about you, but I don't want to value a human being based on their capability to be productive. Most working environments are incompatible with good health. To say that these people should quit their job, start a company, become rich, then be able to afford good quality food and not have to work till their body gives out is inhumane and absurd.

I'm not going to put any energy into redpilling you, especially when you start to talk about your beliefs as humane/good/righteous and others as inhumane. I have tried with friends who are Marxist and it is like hitting your head against the wall. Good luck dude!

Looked up Mises and saw these quote:

"The Marxians love of democratic institutions was a stratagem only, a pious fraud for the deception of the masses. Within a socialist community there is no room left for freedom."

"A society that chooses between capitalism and socialism does not choose between two social systems; it chooses between social cooperation and the disintegration of society."

"Freedom is indivisible. As soon as one starts to restrict it, one enters upon a decline on which it is difficult to stop."

"The issue is always the same: the government or the market. There is no third solution."

"Every step which leads from capitalism toward planning is necessarily a step nearer to absolutism and dictatorship."

"Every type of socialism is unworkable because economic calculation is impossible in a socialist community."

"Every socialist is a disguised dictator."

"One must rather ask how much could be produced if competition among producers were abolished."

"The attempt to restrain prices within limits has to be given up. A government that sets out to abolish market prices is inevitably driven towards the abolition of private property."


Nice! Where has this been my whole life! I once was duped by Bernie Sanders type junk. I am so glad I woke up from that and saw the rapid decline into dictatoral control.

Those are some good ones. The mises institute has thousands of hours of free material. You can get a free economics education on there. Rothbard is on there and has some very interesting views of history that are worth exploring. He is kind of like a Peat of the right.

 

[mrchibbs]

It's interesting how our views of life and society fluctuates and we can all take different roads.

I did my undergraduate and graduate studies in economics, with honors (worthless but goes to show I did go into it up to a reasonable depth) and for a time I read everything I could on Hayek, Mises, Rothbard, Friedman, Lucas etc. I still have all their books on my shelf. I was even listening to EconTalk every day back then. Let's just say the more I digged, the more depressed I got at my choice of studies.

Just a few years down the line, my perspective is that the entire discipline is fraudulent. It is as dogmatic as the medical profession. The very theoretical underpinning against which "economists" defend the market mechanisms don't hold value from an empirical point of view. The idea that the market is an efficient solution relies on impossible assumptions about the real world, and these assumptions must be met for neoclassical economics (the mainstream model) to hold. And they don't, not by a long shot.

Again, in my view, the actual application capitalism, while not necessarily as overtly tyrannical as the communist regimes, is rotten to the core. I was pulling for Bernie in 2016 and this winter, and was pained when he was screwed over both times. I don't necessarily agree with all of his policies (e.g. I want full and inconditional drug legalization), but I agree with the intent. Regulatory capture, as you've underlined @Tarmander, is very real, but I think it's worse than that: it's like a infection. The very fact that it's so prevalent nullifies any potential gains from a market system. It doesn't bend the rules, it breaks them.

There is a third component, aside from the government or the market: institutions. These institutions are the legal rights, the common property resources, the community bond etc. All things things are the glue which can make a coherent whole out of this mess. And they're consistently being attacked on the basis of fraudulent economic theories. Adam Smith referred to the "invisible hand' but one time in the Wealth of Nations, and it wasn't the meaning we attach to it nowadays. Moreover, he didn't believe markets should extend to all or even most of society. (see his other magnum opus, The theory of moral sentiments)

 

[InChristAlone]

Government regulated institutions flat out suck. Take publicly paid for nursing homes... Rampant neglect and abuse. Private owned? There are waiting lists because anyone in that phase of life deserves to be treated well. And wouldn't you know if someone is compensated enough they tend to do a better job taking care of you! I will have plenty of funds set aside for that phase of my life, and I will pay someone well to take care of me if I need it.

I also have an extremely negative view on public schools. Propaganda machines. If I had to send my kids to school it wouldn't be a public school, I'd pay to have them in an unschooling co-op.

I have no need for public medicine either. And I wish others would take their health in their own hands too. They are good at one thing: urgent care. If I'm in a car accident I want the best surgeon. But other than that I have no desire to use their services.

So would I want to put my money in any of these institutions? No. My ideal is the America that schooled their own children, farmed their own animals, called on the family doctor only when necessary and had strong families. If we add on capitalism, it's a great life! Best of BOTH worlds. Look up Art and Bri Channel, Justin Rhodes who does Joel salatin style farming, hollar homestead, these are all very high quality youtube channels showing you how to get outside of the 9-5 slave system. Use capatalism to your advantage! Be your own boss! Take charge of your own life!

Socialism is like nursing from the breast at age 30.

 

[opson123]

I have no need for public medicine either. And I wish others would take their health in their own hands too. They are good at one thing: urgent care. If I'm in a car accident I want the best surgeon. But other than that I have no desire to use their services.

I completely agree with this.

Public health care is really a mess in most cases. When my health started deteriorating, I made a doctor appointment, went to get a blood test done beforehand, at the doctor appointment he did the standard "let's play doctor" things and then we had this conversation:

Doc: "your blood test results were really good and you look to be in a good shape, there's nothing wrong with you"
Me: "Then what's up with me, I feel like death, can't walk the stairs, my gut hurts, what do we do now?"
Doc: "I don't know"
Me: "Ok"

 

[tim333]

This thread is long enough as it is, it would be best to get back on topic.

 

[InChristAlone]

I completely agree with this.

Public health care is really a mess in most cases. When my health started deteriorating, I made a doctor appointment, went to get a blood test done beforehand, at the doctor appointment he did the standard "let's play doctor" things and then we had this conversation:

Doc: "your blood test results were really good and you look to be in a good shape, there's nothing wrong with you"
Me: "Then what's up with me, I feel like death, can't walk the stairs, my gut hurts, what do we do now?"
Doc: "I don't know"
Me: "Ok"

Exactly. My Mom goes in once a year because of her GERD and they tell her the same thing.. well maybe you need a different drug for it or we could do a scope and see if there's anything we could do a surgery for. lol. That's all the tools in their toolbox, scopes , surgeries or drugs.

They also harass her about her 210 cholesterol. Finally she gave in and went on a non-statin. I just shake my head.

 

[InChristAlone]

This thread is long enough as it is, it would be best to get back on topic.

@Blossom could we separate the politics comments into a new thread? Maybe name it socialism vs capitalism. These convos can get pretty intense and go on forever!

 

[Tarmander]

@Blossom could we separate the politics comments into a new thread? Maybe name it socialism vs capitalism. These convos can get pretty intense and go on forever!

I think it's dying down, I am done at least

 

[InChristAlone]

I think it's dying down, I am done at least

Yeah you are probably right. It is like hitting a brick wall. But if I could go from wanting Bernie to almost anarcho-capitalist then I have hope for others to do the same.

 

[Jennifer]

@sugarbabe — I don’t want to derail the thread any further but wanted to thank you for mentioning those homesteading channels. Merging old school ways of living with modern times has been a huge interest of mine and I appreciate seeing the creative ideas homesteaders come up with.

 

[InChristAlone]

@sugarbabe — I don’t want to derail the thread any further but wanted to thank you for mentioning those homesteading channels. Merging old school ways of living with modern times has been a huge interest of mine and I appreciate seeing the creative ideas homesteaders come up with.

I can't get enough of it!! I love watching them care for their own animals. Oh there is one channel that is more suburbia oriented. They raise their own goats, chickens, and also do gardening and show some cool recipes most videos. It's called Weed em and Reap, it's probably my favorite for entertainment purposes , the goats can be so funny!

 

[Jennifer]

I can't get enough of it!! I love watching them care for their own animals. Oh there is one channel that is more suburbia oriented. They raise their own goats, chickens, and also do gardening and show some cool recipes most videos. It's called Weed em and Reap, it's probably my favorite for entertainment purposes , the goats can be so funny!

Awesome! Thanks, Janelle! I’ll check it out. I can’t get enough of it, either—my current obsession is geothermal greenhouses. I’m looking forward to seeing the goats. My neighbor has a couple and they’re nuts, in the best kind of way. lol If I didn’t become so attached to animals, I would have adopted a couple of rescued goats years ago. Anyhow, thanks again! :)

 

[InChristAlone]

Awesome! Thanks, Janelle! I’ll check it out. I can’t get enough of it, either—my current obsession is geothermal greenhouses. I’m looking forward to seeing the goats. My neighbor has a couple and they’re nuts, in the best kind of way. lol If I didn’t become so attached to animals, I would have adopted a couple of rescued goats years ago. Anyhow, thanks again! :)

You're welcome! Yeah I just live through these youtube channels as we can't have farm animals at our house. But at least if the world goes to pot I will know what to do!

 

[duckduck]

I think this happened to me, I ate about 2 lbs broccoli and sweet potatoes couple of years every single day. Association of carotene rich diet with hypogonadism in a male athlete - PubMed
Now it feels like there's a dead sausage between my legs. I have low testosterone, in 300's and orange palms and face. Last summer when I burned my scalp in sun, it started to leak orange liquid, just like when you put sweet potatoes in the oven.

 

[duckduck]

Does anyone have sexual problems with low vitamin A? Poor erections, low sex drive, no morning wood etc.

 

[Vinero]

Does anyone have sexual problems with low vitamin A? Poor erections, low sex drive, no morning wood etc.

Yes. This has been a problem for me lately. Do you eat a lot of beans and whole grains? I have found that when I increase the amount of beans and whole grains that I eat, the lower my libido gets and the more depressed I get. When I switch my carb source towards white rice, white bread, parsnips and white sugar I become a totally different person. I feel lighter, more motivated, laugh more, have more intense sexual feelings, and enjoy music and movies more. I think Ray Peat is right that whole grains and beans are not optimal foods for humans. Even though whole grains and beans contain more nutrients like b-vitamins and minerals such as magnesium, they also contain anti-nutrients and things which lower thyroid function. The high fiber content probably increases serotonin formation which is why I get sad and unmotivated when eating lots of beans and whole grains.

 

[duckduck]

I eat 200 grams of black beans, 300 grams of red lentils and 250 grams of barley every day, so yes. I don't have any stomach problems and my skin is clear on this diet. I am VERY acne prone and every time I eat a food that don't agree with me I get acne. I can't eat rice, I get very itchy skin from it and breathing problems. I recently started to drink a quart of whole milk a day and my skin is crystal clear now. All I can think of is that my poor sexual health is because of eating so much sweet potatoes, broccoli and buckwheat every single day for two years. Lot's of oxalates and carotenes.

 

[Blossom]

I eat 200 grams of black beans, 300 grams of red lentils and 250 grams of barley every day, so yes. I don't have any stomach problems and my skin is clear on this diet. I am VERY acne prone and every time I eat a food that don't agree with me I get acne. I can't eat rice, I get very itchy skin from it and breathing problems. I recently started to drink a quart of whole milk a day and my skin is crystal clear now. All I can think of is that my poor sexual health is because of eating so much sweet potatoes, broccoli and buckwheat every single day for two years. Lot's of oxalates and carotenes.

I find oxalates to a major problem for me personally. Carotenes also seem worse that A from animal sources.

 

[duckduck]

I find oxalates to a major problem for me personally. Carotenes also seem worse that A from animal sources.

I guess I just have to wait that I get rid of all the oxalates and carotenes from my tissues. I have insane amounts of carotenes stored in my body, just think about the amounts you get from eating 2.2 lbs of sweet potatoes and broccoli every single day for two years.