Got An "Extreme Emergency: STAY HOME" Text Yesterday; Today I See Jets Spraying A Thick White Thing

[LeeLemonoil]

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That figures would mean rule by force. No way can 30% unemployed be squared with democracy and elections

 

[Deleted member 5487]

That figures would mean rule by force. No way can 30% unemployed be squared with democracy and elections

Yes it will be force

 

[Gone Peating]

That figures would mean rule by force. No way can 30% unemployed be squared with democracy and elections

Why do you think they’re mobilizing the national guard and navy

 

[Gone Peating]

I was already coming off as crazy to some on this thread and I realize this will just make that worse. But ever since this happened all the birds that usually chirp in the morning are gone. The insects/crickets that buzz/chirp at night are silent and even the bugs that are usually attracted to the street lights have vanished. It's pin drop silent.

Even other people where I live have commented on it and they don't believe in conspiracies at all.

This is really damn weird.

I'll observe both morning and night the next few days and hopefully this was a just weird short lull in animal activity for a couple of days and they will come back.

What state are you in?

 

[Deleted member 5487]

Why do you think they’re mobilizing the national guard and navy

1) 50% of america is missing rent/credit card payments tomorrow and being thrown into debt peonage. Their also heavily armed.
2) They have zero economic future, in a world that doesn't need them anymore. Their jobs would be crushed in the next decade anyways,

 

[Deleted member 5487]

What state are you in?

The only cities to fear are large metroplexs with huge concentrations of poor. NY/LA are the most obvioues

 

[Regina]

Mystery mist came over the city this afternoon in a weird funneled shooting pattern that did not seem like fog.
Followed by Army Apache Helos.
Just saying.
If this is fear mongering, I am probably at the wrong forum.

btw: I was bullhorned from a police squad car to desist walking my dog where I drove him to an open field today. On my drive home was a mile long of trailers for mounted police along the highway. Earlier today, I also walked around a local massive hospital and into the ER. I walked around every building and the parking garage. Tumbleweeds and crickets. I.e., a teeny fraction of people and activity than any other normal day.

I have no idea what is happening. Not sure where it is safe to talk about this.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Mystery mist came over the city this afternoon in a weird funneled shooting pattern that did not seem like fog.

I agree, that is no type of fog that I have ever seen.

 

[nwo2012]

Mystery mist came over the city this afternoon in a weird funneled shooting pattern that did not seem like fog.
Followed by Army Apache Helos.
Just saying.
If this is fear mongering, I am probably at the wrong forum.

btw: I was bullhorned from a police squad car to desist walking my dog where I drove him to an open field today. On my drive home was a mile long of trailers for mounted police along the highway. Earlier today, I also walked around a local massive hospital and into the ER. I walked around every building and the parking garage. Tumbleweeds and crickets. I.e., a teeny fraction of people and activity than any other normal day.

I have no idea what is happening. Not sure where it is safe to talk about this.

That looks very odd
Maybe toxic chemicals to damage ed the lungs so they can hit predicted death rates from notavirus33?

It's all sun worship after all. Corona.
2019-nCov is 33 in Chaldean numerology.
Oh how they love 9 11,13,33 and multiples of 11.

 

[Regina]

I agree, that is no type of fog that I have ever seen.

Yes tanks
I was sitting eating lunch at my computer when I heard the shooting and rumbling noise and looked up and saw this coning mist. Stared out the window thinking weird weird weird. We are at sea level on a crystal clear day. And this mist is going from tight cone to envelopment.
I went back to my computer and then heard helos. Holy crap. I looked up and there was an apache right there out my window, not much higher than my 15th floor level. Very close and low helos. They turned sharply right into the city. I couldn't grab my phone quick enough to get a pic. The city was soon enveloped in this low stuff.

I would love to be told I am dreaming, hallucinating and stressed out. Please tell me to just take progesterone and take a nap.

I did get out afterwards and go to the grocery. I started coughing in the store. Really irritated-type coughing. That's when I went outside to try to get some air and I took the second 2 photos right then outside the front of the store. Me and about 40 other people with tripods and long lenses laying on their stomachs on Randolph (major major downtown street). I'm not the only one thinking this is off.

I did 40 drops of tocovit when I got in. That completely soothed my lungs of the irritation.

 

[Regina]

That looks very odd
Maybe toxic chemicals to damage ed the lungs so they can hit predicted death rates from notavirus33?

It's all sun worship after all. Corona.
2019-nCov is 33 in Chaldean numerology.
Oh how they love 9 11,13,33 and multiples of 11.

Yep.
Maybe a mild irritant? Or hopefully maybe an epic fail of more corona -- whereas most if us have developed immunity.
I don't know.
I feel fine now.
But I have aspirin, tocovit, progestene, energin and eat sugar and avoid PUFA.

 

[energyandstruct]

Mystery mist came over the city this afternoon in a weird funneled shooting pattern that did not seem like fog.
Followed by Army Apache Helos.
Just saying.
If this is fear mongering, I am probably at the wrong forum.

btw: I was bullhorned from a police squad car to desist walking my dog where I drove him to an open field today. On my drive home was a mile long of trailers for mounted police along the highway. Earlier today, I also walked around a local massive hospital and into the ER. I walked around every building and the parking garage. Tumbleweeds and crickets. I.e., a teeny fraction of people and activity than any other normal day.

I have no idea what is happening. Not sure where it is safe to talk about this.

Outdoor Toxins of Particular Relevance to Mold Illness Patients

Nicknames and Symptoms

* The toxin has been informally referred to by mold avoiders by a few different names: “Tahoe Toxin,” “Mystery Toxin” and “Ick.” (The latter nickname is derived from the term “Idiopathic Contaminant” or “IC.”)

* The toxin has a cluster of very specific symptoms associated with it (listed at the bottom of this note). Although some of these symptoms also are associated with various kinds of mold toxins or various other toxins, many seem to be much more specific to this particular toxin.

* As with toxins originating in moldy buildings, this toxin appears to be much more problematic even in very tiny quantities for people who previously have acquired toxic mold illness or who have apparently related illnesses (including ME/CFS, chronic Lyme disease, Gulf War syndrome or fibromyalgia) than it is even in much larger quantities for healthy people. (In cases of more intense exposures, otherwise healthy people may be noticeably affected, with symptoms manifesting mostly as mood issues but occasionally as heart attacks.) Only in a few cases (specifically: the Tahoe epidemic) do people seem to have been driven into CIRS-type illnesses from exposures to this toxin alone, without exposure to a particularly bad building also being experienced.




Sea otters off the coast of northern California have been affected by a variety of marine biotoxins — including domoic acid, the one causing Amnesic Shellfish Poisoning.



Hypotheses Regarding Origination

* The symptoms that are associated with this “Mystery Toxin” are extremely similar to those associated with marine biotoxins, such as those made by certain diatoms or cyanobacteria. For instance, following is a paper looking at a marine biotoxin called domoic acid, which became recognized as causing a disease named Amnesic Shellfish Poisoning subsequent to an illness outbreak in Canada in 1987. All of the ASP symptoms described (including extremely severe memory losses, severe headaches, seizures, agitation, hemiparesis, distal atrophy, weakness of extremities, severe gastrointestinal issues, and a few deaths attributed to heart attacks) were all reported at equal levels of severity during the Lake Tahoe epidemic in 1984-1986. A variety of other aquatic biotoxins are accepted in the literature of being capable of causing similar symptoms.

* These aquatic biotoxins are accepted in the literature as causing health damage via specific mechanisms: by affecting GABA/glutamate, calcium ion channels, and the hippocampus/amygdala. Abnormalities with these mechanisms tend to be associated especially with health conditions such as seizures (and seizure-related emotional conditions such as rapid-cycling bipolar), excitotoxicity, and cardiac dysfunctions — all conditions that aquatic biotoxins are acknowledged to cause.

* From what I have been able to find, there is only one mold toxin that has been shown to be capable of producing damage via these mechanisms: Penitrem A, an emerging mycotoxin with several dozen papers in the literature. At some point soon, I am going to summarize this information into a review (unless one of you would like to do that!) and then blog about my thoughts on it. In the meantime, here is a list of all of the peer-reviewed articles that have been published about it so far, as well as a news story about it published in Science Daily.




Penicillium Crustosum, a mold that sometimes makes the dangerous mycotoxin Penitrem A



* Penitrem A is made by a few species of mold, including Penicillium crustosum. P. crustosum is a mold that is listed on the ERMI as indicative of water damage to buildings but nonetheless categorized as “Group 2,” and it is my understanding that this mold is thought to rarely produce toxins when growing indoors. The case reports in the literature seem to be suggesting that the problematic toxin, Penitrem A, occurs either when it is growing outdoors or when growing on food. Penitrem A is accepted in the literature as capable of causing significant damage even in very small quantities.




Angel Moldes-Anaya, a researcher studying Penitrem A in Norway.



* Much of the recent prominent literature about Penitrem A (including the paper profiled in Science Daily) is from a researcher named Angel Moldes-Anaya out of Norway. That is of particular interest to me since “CFS” frequently seems to manifest itself particularly severely in Norway (e.g. severely enough that Rituximab — a chemotherapy treatment that destroys all the B cells in the system — is being studied there in a mainstream way as a treatment for the disease).

* A few more notes about P. crustosum: It is a physical match for the mold that Erik encountered growing on the log that triggered him into severe “CFS” in 1985 (green-beige with white tips); it is known to make Penitrem A while growing in sewage; it produces airborne spores; and there is one report that it is capable of growing in the human sinuses. (Whether the form growing in the sinuses is capable of making Penitrem A is unclear.)



Observations Regarding Environmental Characteristics

* Regardless of what the toxin associated with the Lake Tahoe epidemic consists of, it mostly seems to be associated with sewage (including sewers, sewage ponds and — occasionally — RV black water tanks). It also has been noted with regard to a few forests that have been treated with fire retardants and with regard to one compost farm.

* The extent to which cities end up with sewage dumped into rivers or other bodies of water (due to infrastructure issues insufficient to handle overflows associated with storms) seems to correlate fairly well with the extent to which this “Mystery Toxin” is an observed problem in those cities.




Sewage being dumped into a river.



* Anecdotally, the “Mystery Toxin” seems to be particularly associated with places that have been contaminated with one or both of the following types of manmade chemicals: a) industrial solvents (such as the TCE used to “wash” computer chips in the SF Bay Area in the early 1980’s or the underground dioxane plume often discussed as currently threatening the Ann Arbor water supply) and b) forest fire retardant usage. I thus believe that one or both of these may be a factor either in causing the microbes responsible for producing the toxin to grow more readily in those places; in prompting the microbes to produce more dangerous mycotoxins in “retaliation” to the presence of the chemicals; in providing the microbes with “food” in order to create more dangerous toxins; or interacting with the microbes in some other way.

* We have no observations of areas that were clear of this “Mystery Toxin” 6+ years ago becoming problematic with it since (though certainly some areas that previously were bad with it recently have gotten worse). This suggests the possibility that a driving factor in the production of the toxin (e.g. chemical, radiation, metal, etc.) is no longer being added to the environment.

* In general, the “Mystery Toxin” does not seem to be one that originates from inside buildings. When present in buildings, it seems to be either a) associated with seepage “from below” (e.g. Henness Flats in Truckee), b) originating from sewage backups, or c) brought in from outdoors (e.g. entry carpets at Truckee High School).




The “Mystery Toxin” tends to become much more problematic during times of approaching storms, especially in winter.



* In locations where it is present, this toxin tends to become much more problematic at certain times than at others. Sharp barometric pressure drops (oncoming storms) are the biggest trigger for it to become more prevalent in the air. On average, it tends to be more of a problem in the winter (October – March) than during the summer months. It also has the ability to blow long distances (we believe at least a few hundred miles at strengths sufficient to have an effect on those pursuing extreme avoidance, if winds are strong enough and there are no barriers such as mountains), and so taking into consideration wind direction can be important in monitoring its effects.



Cross-Contamination

* This toxin cross-contaminates to a larger extent than most indoor molds. Items that have been badly contaminated by even a brief exposure to a particularly bad location may not be remediable (to the ability of hyperreactive people to tolerate them without negative effects). Insofar as items have not been washed, they may easily cross-contaminate other items as well. (For this reason as well as others, we believe the toxin to be carried on spores that are easily transferable rather than just present as a toxic gas.) Cars that have spent time in a particularly problematic location may be cross-contaminated enough to be unusable by severe reactors for many years after removal from the problematic location.




Driving a vehicle temporarily to a higher altitude has been reported as being helpful at nullifying some of the cross-contamination effects of the “Mystery Toxin.”



* Most typically suggested forms of cleaning such as the use of chemicals are ineffective at removing this toxin. Washing the item to remove spores and placing in sun may be helpful for mild cross-contaminations. The use of microbes (particularly homemade kefir but possibly also EM) has some positive reports. Very strong ozone (such as applied to a single item enclosed in a box for a few days) has some positive reports. The use of a flamethrower torch has positive reports from some mold avoiders for toxins of all sorts, but obviously this is a dangerous approach that is limited in applicability. A number of people have reported with regard to vehicles transiently cross-contaminated with this toxin (such as inadvertently driving through a “plume” of it) that bringing it to a higher altitude (such as 1000 feet higher), leaving it there for a few hours, returning to the baseline and then washing all surfaces with water and mild soap can be helpful. But in general, especially for people who have been living for extended periods of time in locations that are problematic with this toxin, attempting to remediate belongings from it may be best considered a lost cause.

* Air filters are not helpful in allowing people to live in places with this toxin. What typically happens is that the filtration seems to be helpful for a few days, but then the unit (meaning the whole plastic unit rather than just the filter) becomes so cross-contaminated that it is the worst item in the house (making it counterproductive to keep using it).



Problematic Locations

* For people who are already sick with toxic mold illness, the amount of this toxin in the outdoor air in particularly problematic places appears to have the potential of keeping them just as sick as if they continued to live in all but the most problematic buildings (e.g. worst 1% of all buildings). Hoping that mold-injured patients can move into even a pristine building and make any progress at all in a location where the air is particularly problematic with regard to this substance may not be realistic, therefore.




The skyline of Wichita, a city where a number of mold avoiders have reported doing well.



* In our experience, most major cities have at least a moderate amount of this toxin present at least some of the time. Many smaller cities do as well. Cities that have relatively little of it (such as Palm Springs, Santa Cruz, Wichita, Albuquerque and — with scattered problem days — Las Vegas) tend to be ones where people recovering from toxic mold illness often do relatively well.

* Some locations are particularly affected by this toxin, according to the reports of people doing extreme mold avoidance. These same locations also tend to generate many reports of sufferers having a hard time recovering no matter how many times they move (or what kinds of ERMI scores their new homes get, how many times they start fresh with new belongings, or what kind of medical treatments or other treatments they receive). Although this is not a comprehensive list, places in the U.S. that I believe to be bad enough to be considered as an important factor for people who are not recovering as expected include the following: Ann Arbor (MI); Dallas-Ft. Worth (TX); Truckee-Tahoe (CA-NV); most of the SF Bay Area (only very sporadically in SF itself — much more consistently and strongly affected are Mountain View, Berkeley/Richmond/Oakland and certain other towns in the area); scattered other towns in northern California (a few of these include Petaluma, Monterey, Sacramento, Fresno and Grass Valley); at least some parts of western Oregon (including Eugene and Portland); much or possibly all of Delaware and NJ; Washington (DC); at least some of the Boston area; at least parts of upstate NY; and at least parts of Alabama and Louisiana. The “Mystery Toxin” in these places seems to rise well above ground, with a number of people reporting being able to detect it in an airplane prior to landing.




A sign near the Smithsonian National Zoological Park in Washington, D.C., providing an alert about sewage dumping.



* The entire Tucson/Phoenix area (with the possible exception of Scottsdale) is significantly but somewhat less intensely contaminated with this toxin — a factor worth mentioning since that is a prototypical area where many people hope that they can get better from mold illness. (Of course, the indoor molds and pesticides present in many buildings in this area are not helpful either.) Getting out of the basin (e.g. east to Benson, north to Happy Valley, or at least a few thousand feet up into the mountains) seems to be required in order to escape the “Mystery Toxin” in this area.

* My own hometown of Chicago feels quite problematic with regard to this substance in winter but (at least in the city and northern suburbs) pretty much okay in summer. In general, the more that patients decline during the winter months, the more likely it may be that this substance is playing a role in their issues.

 

[lampofred]

Well the birds seem to be out again in the mornings, chirping normally, and the crickets and bugs are back at night, I think less than how many there were before I saw the jets mentioned in OP, but still enough are back to make me think that I was just being hyper-vigilant, thinking something was wrong when it might have just been a natural fluctuation in animal activity.

I haven't really noticed anything else strange aside from the jets, but then again I have been staying home and not really going anywhere.

 

[lampofred]

@Regina 's observations are crazy though. Glad to hear that there are many other people (aside from just RPF members and conspiracy theorists) who think that something is off (but not discounting the people who are actually struggling with covid, like @ecstatichamster ).

 

[Waynish]

I got an "Extreme Alert" text yesterday saying to stay at home except for essential activities. Today I went out for just a min to get the mail and right when I stepped out there were 3 jets flying over the sky releasing some very thick, white smoke-like thing.

I remember seeing these jets when younger flying at some 45 degree angle but it was always just one and it was at a high altitude. This time there were three at once and flying pretty low.

I made a thread yesterday about how I was scared that a certain disinfectant which is mandated for use in many places might have organophosphate nerve poison-like effects (Does Anyone Know Anything About The "novel" Disinfectant Being Sprayed Throughout The World?)

I believe in conspiracies but I was never THAT into conspiracies but I don't know what to make of this.

I truly hope that I am just making connections that don't exist and falsely and prematurely jumping to worst-case scenarios.

What state or country are you in? Ya that's one of the great thing about events like this... A lot of people end up waking up from it. Those that are already awake get a period of comparatively low stress.

 

[Waynish]

all this Conspiracy theory's has nothing to do with Ray.
Also there are way to much hysterical corona virus threats here thats has no value to this forum
Even Ray mention thats in his last podcast that corona is not that bad compared to flu then media shows.
If you want the quality high on this forum you must act directly and wipe a lot of this nonsense from this board and keep it professional and intellectual.
These topic's are absolutely not.
There are a lot other boards where people can talk about there conspiracy nonsense.
If you don't wipe this forum clean than you're attracting the wrong people here thats has nothing to do with ray's work.

If you got banned for toeing the party line, then it certainly wouldn't be "censorship." Isn't there a vaccine you should be getting... Y'know to fit in with your herd?

 

[lampofred]

What state or country are you in? Ya that's one of the great thing about events like this... A lot of people end up waking up from it. Those that are already awake get a period of comparatively low stress.

I'm in USA but tbh it's hard for me to know the difference between being truly perceptive and being overly, irrationally "woke", not to mention that even after having slightly woken up it is still an ever-present struggle to not go back to sleep, it's not that hard to just drift off...

 

[RealNeat]

I'm in USA but tbh it's hard for me to know the difference between being truly perceptive and being overly, irrationally "woke", not to mention that even after having slightly woken up it is still an ever-present struggle to not go back to sleep, it's not that hard to just drift off...

There are quite a bit of people who voluntarily and involuntarily become dulled down by todays society and its habits. I respect and look up to vigilant people who can remain sharp and keep their cool. I use Ray Peat based techniques to keep my mood in check while investigating stressful things, and it works very well. Remember him referring to drinking milkshakes during a particularly long interview? yeah that stuff works when your brain doesn't seem to/ cant shut off. Be vigilant, just stay calm, i know, easier said than done.

 

[Waynish]

I'm in USA but tbh it's hard for me to know the difference between being truly perceptive and being overly, irrationally "woke", not to mention that even after having slightly woken up it is still an ever-present struggle to not go back to sleep, it's not that hard to just drift off...

As long as you don't accept that you have to know exactly what something is in order to realize what something isn't...

 

[Peatogenic]

Conspiracy theory is getting extra deep @lampofred

I buried my head in the sand for a couple of years because I thought I was wrong for so many years. Just started digging again when this covid stuff started.....

It’s getting real (not the virus aspect)...

Not trying to scare or alarm anyone... We will make it through this

Edit- I just received one as I read and replied to your post

Ominous, vague, meaningless