Getting Over Vaccinations/ Society In General

Acarpous

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Lately I find myself thinking about a vaccination that I received a couple of years ago (meningitis? definitely wasn't influenza, though I had one of those a couple of years prior, but that one does not seem to be bothering me so much at the moment). (What I find interesting is that it hasn't been in my attention in any meaningful way for a couple of years prior, but I have not been able to shake the train of thought for the past couple of weeks.) At the time I had heard of RP's work and was spending time with people who generally agreed with his interpretations and shared his disinclination towards the medical system and society in general. However, I was too busy with school to devote that much time to integrating very much of his teachings beyond avoiding PUFA. In both cases I felt social pressure to get the vaccines, the first time due to other peers, the latter from my family.

Beyond the despair/learned helplessness of (a) having it happen and (b) not knowing what the consequences will be (one of my peers who is a very knowledgeable biologist/nuero-scientist promptly stated that I will die from brain cancer upon hearing I received it), I find a mental image of the injection itself seems to consistently interrupt whatever train of thought I have at the moment, especially when I am having trouble sleeping. Granted, there are a number of ongoing mental/psychiatric processes interacting with this one; I'm generally very depressed with a history of self-injury (head-banging, cutting, slamming my hand in door frames), probably "schizophrenic" (although I have yet to hear a coherent and satisfying positivist definition of the term), possess (generally) very limited social skills, and have what I would imagine are fairly typical attention and learning challenges that accompany severe,chronic psychiatric conditions. Despite these substantial obstacles, however, looking back, my emotional/psychological state was generically very negative prior to either vaccinations, and the times that I have felt good through things such as thyroid or progesterone have been fairly surprising, though transient and irregular.

Obviously the only appropriate pattern of behavior is to avoid vaccines entirely from now on and educate myself as much as possible so that I can make the most informed decisions about managing the consequences, but something about the experience seems to catch my attention in a way that defies "moving on". Has anyone found a technique for compartmentalizing similar experiences to make them amenable to further intellectual, psychological processing?

All that being said, since re-discovering RP this past summer things have been getting better. My diet is very Peat friendly, and I actually find the food choices relatively expansive compared to how I was eating previously. Self-harm hasn't occurred in over a year and I do not feel any urge to do so. Large doses of methylene blue (200mg/day), as well as progesterone and pregenelone has greatly reduced the number and intensity of suicidal thinking. I am living on my own, am relatively young [25] and am working with a therapist who is familiar with RP's work and communicated a sense of understanding when I brought these circumstances to his attention.

So things could be worse.

Despite these trajectories, it seems that the more I learn or think about anything, the angrier I get at society (ie the state) and my family, which, I have discovered through the work of Reich/anthropology, are essentially identical social institutions. Most (if not all) of my personal problems (intellectual, social, sexual, nutritional starvation, severe psychological trauma) could have been avoided entirely, so for a substantial period of time I seriously thought my family was intentionally attempting to ruin or end my life, a train of thought that is not alleviated by the general state of the world. I am annoyed that my attention returns to my hairline, rather than practical challenges of life (ie making a comfortable living doing something I enjoy, finding fulfilling social relationships, meaning, consistent sleep, etc).


tldr - Things could be worse, but they could be a lot better. How do you tolerate the degenerate social order?
 

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Just keep on searching and gaining new knowledge; and know that you are on the right track by questioning everything.

Don't beat yourself up or get an obsessive focus on taking that vaccine. Just concentrate on healing.

There have been numerous threads on vaccines on this forum; some people are pro, some are con.

However, right from the start, when a vaccine is presented to the patient for injection usually by a nurse, the patient gets NO:

Package insert (that is found in every prescription and OTC drug to list side effects and warnings) that the vaccine arrived with and is in the doctor's office possession consisting of:
* ALL ingredients (can't tell because its a big SECRET)
* Manufacturer
* Batch #
* Patients should have an opportunity to read insert BEFORE injection to provide INFORMED CONSENT to understand potential risks.

People have been conditioned to just roll up their sleeves.
 

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Jordan Peterson can help you frame society in your mind, and it's place, quite well. Much of what you say is true about society's tyrannical and harmful nature. However you also have to remember that you are alive to judge it because of many of its interventions. Vaccines, would never take them myself, provide social trust and stability. The first thing you learn is why it's bad for you, and to avoid it. Then you learn why it's there, and can frame it properly. Most people are very uncomfortable outside society's framework, and these people would be violent and insane, probably tearing down most of what you value.
 

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What an interesting thread! I recommend you to read the articles on traditionalism at aryanism.net - and don't let you scare off by the swastika at the homepage, there is a whole philosophy behind their teachings.
And please Acarpous, do NOT forgive, do NOT forget, keep it all what happened in mind - see this whole *hit that was done to you by thes psychopaths as training weights for your inner self: if you're inclined to train eagerly with it, you'll become a stronger and tougher version of yourself. And gain wisdom trough extensive information, this is so important if you want to be independent of these cockroaches. In the end they will fear you and leave you alone, just got to have the courage and be picky with the selection of your social circle, and display a healthy amount of arrogance towards people that are seemingly unworthy. Value high yourself! And also live this valuation, make it true by your own body and mind! May the guts and the genes be with you!
 
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Jordan Peterson can help you frame society in your mind, and it's place, quite well. Much of what you say is true about society's tyrannical and harmful nature. However you also have to remember that you are alive to judge it because of many of its interventions.

I have my doubts about JP. He has been highly recommended by a friend and I have listened to a moderate amount of his lectures. I find some of his ideas useful (making large life-goals that are oriented around individual fulfillment and subjective sources of meaning and value, summaries of psychological concepts, taking responsibilities for ones actions, etc) but he seems to be offering guidance in a way that is amenable to the rest of the corporatized culture. More specifically, he claims to have studied fascism for a very long time but does not bring up Wilhelm Reich's at all. I would assume he is familiar with Reich's work but I am guessing he is under professional pressure (as a tenured professor at a corporate university) to keep quiet about him. That being said, I will most likely read his book in the next few months.
 

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I have my doubts about JP. He has been highly recommended by a friend and I have listened to a moderate amount of his lectures. I find some of his ideas useful (making large life-goals that are oriented around individual fulfillment and subjective sources of meaning and value, summaries of psychological concepts, taking responsibilities for ones actions, etc) but he seems to be offering guidance in a way that is amenable to the rest of the corporatized culture. More specifically, he claims to have studied fascism for a very long time but does not bring up Wilhelm Reich's at all. I would assume he is familiar with Reich's work but I am guessing he is under professional pressure (as a tenured professor at a corporate university) to keep quiet about him. That being said, I will most likely read his book in the next few months.
cool. Yeah he has some good stuff, but he's not infallible. He definitely conforms to some stuff that I would question. What about Reich do you think makes him want to avoid him?
 
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cool. Yeah he has some good stuff, but he's not infallible. He definitely conforms to some stuff that I would question. What about Reich do you think makes him want to avoid him?

Primarily, he seems to be a cheerleader for capitalism in that the rich are justified in their class position by virtue of participating in the economy. I don't feel like finding the video I am referring to, but at one point in a lecture he says something along the lines of "the wealthy have their money in the economy" which to me came across as some kind of license for their class position. He also does not really talk about class at all, whereas Reich is fairly clear that the rich will use their power to make the livelihood of others unpleasant for their own gain. Reich is also fairly clear that social problems and the difficulties faced by individuals are a consequence of the way the culture as a whole is structured, whereas JP seems content with the notion that issues people cope with reside within their individual nervous system, not an inevitable or logically appropriate response to the way society is organized.
 

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Primarily, he seems to be a cheerleader for capitalism in that the rich are justified in their class position by virtue of participating in the economy. I don't feel like finding the video I am referring to, but at one point in a lecture he says something along the lines of "the wealthy have their money in the economy" which to me came across as some kind of license for their class position. He also does not really talk about class at all, whereas Reich is fairly clear that the rich will use their power to make the livelihood of others unpleasant for their own gain. Reich is also fairly clear that social problems and the difficulties faced by individuals are a consequence of the way the culture as a whole is structured, whereas JP seems content with the notion that issues people cope with reside within their individual nervous system, not an inevitable or logically appropriate response to the way society is organized.
So is Reich a bit marxist then? I don't know much about him other then the odd reference here or there.
 

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Lately I find myself thinking about a vaccination that I received a couple of years ago (meningitis? definitely wasn't influenza, though I had one of those a couple of years prior, but that one does not seem to be bothering me so much at the moment). (What I find interesting is that it hasn't been in my attention in any meaningful way for a couple of years prior, but I have not been able to shake the train of thought for the past couple of weeks.) At the time I had heard of RP's work and was spending time with people who generally agreed with his interpretations and shared his disinclination towards the medical system and society in general. However, I was too busy with school to devote that much time to integrating very much of his teachings beyond avoiding PUFA. In both cases I felt social pressure to get the vaccines, the first time due to other peers, the latter from my family.

Beyond the despair/learned helplessness of (a) having it happen and (b) not knowing what the consequences will be (one of my peers who is a very knowledgeable biologist/nuero-scientist promptly stated that I will die from brain cancer upon hearing I received it), I find a mental image of the injection itself seems to consistently interrupt whatever train of thought I have at the moment, especially when I am having trouble sleeping. Granted, there are a number of ongoing mental/psychiatric processes interacting with this one; I'm generally very depressed with a history of self-injury (head-banging, cutting, slamming my hand in door frames), probably "schizophrenic" (although I have yet to hear a coherent and satisfying positivist definition of the term), possess (generally) very limited social skills, and have what I would imagine are fairly typical attention and learning challenges that accompany severe,chronic psychiatric conditions. Despite these substantial obstacles, however, looking back, my emotional/psychological state was generically very negative prior to either vaccinations, and the times that I have felt good through things such as thyroid or progesterone have been fairly surprising, though transient and irregular.

Obviously the only appropriate pattern of behavior is to avoid vaccines entirely from now on and educate myself as much as possible so that I can make the most informed decisions about managing the consequences, but something about the experience seems to catch my attention in a way that defies "moving on". Has anyone found a technique for compartmentalizing similar experiences to make them amenable to further intellectual, psychological processing?

All that being said, since re-discovering RP this past summer things have been getting better. My diet is very Peat friendly, and I actually find the food choices relatively expansive compared to how I was eating previously. Self-harm hasn't occurred in over a year and I do not feel any urge to do so. Large doses of methylene blue (200mg/day), as well as progesterone and pregenelone has greatly reduced the number and intensity of suicidal thinking. I am living on my own, am relatively young [25] and am working with a therapist who is familiar with RP's work and communicated a sense of understanding when I brought these circumstances to his attention.

So things could be worse.

Despite these trajectories, it seems that the more I learn or think about anything, the angrier I get at society (ie the state) and my family, which, I have discovered through the work of Reich/anthropology, are essentially identical social institutions. Most (if not all) of my personal problems (intellectual, social, sexual, nutritional starvation, severe psychological trauma) could have been avoided entirely, so for a substantial period of time I seriously thought my family was intentionally attempting to ruin or end my life, a train of thought that is not alleviated by the general state of the world. I am annoyed that my attention returns to my hairline, rather than practical challenges of life (ie making a comfortable living doing something I enjoy, finding fulfilling social relationships, meaning, consistent sleep, etc).


tldr - Things could be worse, but they could be a lot better. How do you tolerate the degenerate social order?
You don't mention spirituality.
To me, this is a profound spiritual quest(ion).
 
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So is Reich a bit marxist then? I don't know much about him other then the odd reference here or there.

More or less. His early work integrated psychoanalysis with socio-economic realities endemic to industrialized state capitalism (which is what we have). He was more focused on the psychoanalytical side of things, but did acknowledge that his work built on Marxist principles.
 

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More or less. His early work integrated psychoanalysis with socio-economic realities endemic to industrialized state capitalism (which is what we have). He was more focused on the psychoanalytical side of things, but did acknowledge that his work built on Marxist principles.
Interesting. I am not big on marxism as it seems to have resentment built into it, and blames capitalism for the pareto principle. Jordan Peterson would be definitely not be for it, which is probably why he doesn't mention it.
 
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Interesting. I am not big on marxism as it seems to have resentment built into it, and blames capitalism for the pareto principle. Jordan Peterson would be definitely not be for it, which is probably why he doesn't mention it.

This does not entirely follow but seems relevant from my perspective, and is fairly characteristic of my limited understanding of Reich's work...

"Psychoanalysis has been able to show how extensively environmental factors, financial misery, parental ignorance and brutality, and surely even predisposition transform children into antisocial, sick, distorted human beings. Humanity protects itself from them by locking them up - which always makes for deterioration under present conditions. But if the "conscience of humanity should awaken one day" and wish to right the many wrongs done to these patients by so many of its representatives, surely psychoanalysis will be called to the front lines to collaborate in their liberation from neurotic misery - in a setting far more propitious than the conditions now prevailing."

-Wilhelm Reich - The Impulsive Character
 
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Interesting. I am not big on marxism as it seems to have resentment built into it, and blames capitalism for the pareto principle. Jordan Peterson would be definitely not be for it, which is probably why he doesn't mention it.

Mention what precisely? "Marxism" can mean a lot of different things depending on how the term is used, and who is using it. Most people in this culture tend to equate marxism with socialism, which are entirely different things. Very generally speaking (I am not a social theorist so I do not claim to have any decisive understanding) Marxism, in academia, is a method of understanding social relationships in societies, past and present, and assumes that conflict is inevitable between different groups of people, however they organize themselves. Socialism is a economic system, rather than a philosophy or method of defining of social organization.

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Granted, I don't think you ever claimed that they were, but I am not sure what you are referring to.
 
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